Didn’t trump just sign an executive order trying to strip away the rights of social media companies to control what is published on their sites?

Hasn’t the right argued for years that gays don’t have the right to marry? That children of illegal immigrants shouldn’t have birthright citizenship?

I mean, he imposed a strict curfew and is trying to supersede states rights. From the left, people would argue that the right is against rights like abortion, gay rights, drug legalization, and the like. Both parties definitely aren't for full individual freedoms.

Not sure about AOC, but I would take the position that Bernie is definitely more of a social democrat than a socialist. He still thinks private business and CEOs should exist, for example.

He's to the left of me, but socialists are pretty extreme.

To add on to BL's post, he also just proposed a ban on burning the flag, and is overall attacking first amendment rights implicitly.

Fair enough on BL’s post, but I’m not Trump supporter anyway. I’m voting for the libertarian candidate.

Posted by bad_luck on 6/2/2020 4:39:00 PM (view original):
As for proof that the criminal justice system is racist, here is one study, done by the Trump admin. It’s on sentencing, not police brutality, but it’s pretty compelling.

https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing

We've known this for years, it's not new...

It also isn't proof that the criminal justice system is racist. Somehow, in spite of knowing about this discrepancy for years, nobody has done the study I want to see: take this same data (or rather, the smallest statistically significant subset of it) and break it down by attorney/firm. For any given attorney, does he get his white clients shorter sentences than his black clients? Or, as I suspect, is this yet another case where we're misrepresenting a lack of social mobility and the resulting glaring differences amongst races in median socioeconomic status as evidence of racism. I think it's very likely the real problem is that we have a criminal justice system in which money makes a huge difference. The wealthier you are, the shorter sentence you get.

Posted by tangplay on 6/2/2020 8:56:00 PM (view original):
yep. People in America are moving towards either a social democracy or a fascist dictatorship. Who we choose in 2020 and 2024 will probably solidify our fate.

Or a centrist one that values the ideals of actual conservatism while understanding the needs of progressivism oh, yeah, socialism. Yup, you're right my bad.

I forget sometimes how badly the right wing has jacked society into thinking we want old people to die for 3M's shareholders.

Because as much as I laugh at and detest the leftist Twitter brigade, I'm still cognizant that the right wing fox news crowd has left the planet.

Posted by dahsdebater on 6/2/2020 11:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/2/2020 4:39:00 PM (view original):
As for proof that the criminal justice system is racist, here is one study, done by the Trump admin. It’s on sentencing, not police brutality, but it’s pretty compelling.

https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing

We've known this for years, it's not new...

It also isn't proof that the criminal justice system is racist. Somehow, in spite of knowing about this discrepancy for years, nobody has done the study I want to see: take this same data (or rather, the smallest statistically significant subset of it) and break it down by attorney/firm. For any given attorney, does he get his white clients shorter sentences than his black clients? Or, as I suspect, is this yet another case where we're misrepresenting a lack of social mobility and the resulting glaring differences amongst races in median socioeconomic status as evidence of racism. I think it's very likely the real problem is that we have a criminal justice system in which money makes a huge difference. The wealthier you are, the shorter sentence you get.

Jesus Christ yes, that's systemic racism too you mook. "The wealthier you are" yeah no, black people get that.

Posted by strikeout26 on 6/2/2020 9:18:00 PM (view original):
Fair enough on BL’s post, but I’m not Trump supporter anyway. I’m voting for the libertarian candidate.

I'm not a Trump supporter but I won't vote against him <wank>

Posted by strikeout26 on 6/2/2020 9:03:00 PM (view original):
To clarify, I don’t see the right (Trump admin) stripping any rights if that’s what you mean. All of the stripping of rights seems to be coming from the left.

BAHAHAHA define Antifa and why Flynn and Stone had the AG weigh in.

Posted by bad_luck on 6/2/2020 9:09:00 PM (view original):
Didn’t trump just sign an executive order trying to strip away the rights of social media companies to control what is published on their sites?

Hasn’t the right argued for years that gays don’t have the right to marry? That children of illegal immigrants shouldn’t have birthright citizenship?

Projection and straw man, brother. It's all they have anymore.

Posted by Uofa2 on 6/2/2020 11:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 6/2/2020 11:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/2/2020 4:39:00 PM (view original):
As for proof that the criminal justice system is racist, here is one study, done by the Trump admin. It’s on sentencing, not police brutality, but it’s pretty compelling.

https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing

We've known this for years, it's not new...

It also isn't proof that the criminal justice system is racist. Somehow, in spite of knowing about this discrepancy for years, nobody has done the study I want to see: take this same data (or rather, the smallest statistically significant subset of it) and break it down by attorney/firm. For any given attorney, does he get his white clients shorter sentences than his black clients? Or, as I suspect, is this yet another case where we're misrepresenting a lack of social mobility and the resulting glaring differences amongst races in median socioeconomic status as evidence of racism. I think it's very likely the real problem is that we have a criminal justice system in which money makes a huge difference. The wealthier you are, the shorter sentence you get.

Jesus Christ yes, that's systemic racism too you mook. "The wealthier you are" yeah no, black people get that.

It's not systemic racism.

People of Irish descent are also poorer than, say, people of English descent. Or anything Scandinavian. Or really anywhere else in Western Europe. Their ancestors largely immigrated to the United States during the Reconstruction era through the early 20th century and were largely very poor. Generations later, their descendants are still relatively poor. I highly doubt it's because they have a higher propensity than most other people towards red hair...

Not all societal issues are racially motivated. People who grow up in poverty, regardless of race, are vastly more likely than comfortably middle-class people to wind up in jail. They are more likely to live in poverty as adults, and more likely to have children who live in poverty as adults. It's not because of how they look.

At the end of the day, if you showed that poor whites with public defenders were just as likely as poor blacks with public defenders to wind up with long jail sentences, then it's not systemic racism. Or any kind of racism. It's classism.

Dahs, I cited some peer-reviewed studies in the long post about systemic racism that adjust for economic status, crime committed, and every other factor. Such studies still find that POC get longer sentences than white people.

Your overall point about poverty is correct, though.

Yes, it is. Money is the largest factor determining upwards mobility, that's quite obvious. Ever been in Court while poor? You find out quickly just how things work. It isn't the only factor but it is a big one.

Expectations are another IMO. Grow up poor in a neighborhood of color and economic challenge and very few folks have the ability to retain hope for self betterment. They give in to what they see around them and just live the best they can.

It isn't so much that there's white privelege as the reality of economic lack of privilege.
Remember the old saying..... "it takes money to make money".............

That's still true............ but how do you go about getting a grub steak IF'N you come from an economically challenged family or community.
No bank backing for you po boy (or girl).
Go deliver newspapers until you have enough to make your dream happen............. yeah right.
Might take a while at 2 cents a paper.

Posted by Uofa2 on 6/3/2020 12:03:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/2/2020 9:09:00 PM (view original):
Didn’t trump just sign an executive order trying to strip away the rights of social media companies to control what is published on their sites?

Hasn’t the right argued for years that gays don’t have the right to marry? That children of illegal immigrants shouldn’t have birthright citizenship?

Projection and straw man, brother. It's all they have anymore.

Printing lies and innuendo is not a "right". It's called libel and people used to actually be held accountable for it.

American citizenship is a PRIVILEGE, not a right.

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