If you find 2 or more similar pitchers, the more cost effective one may perhaps be a bargain.

Let's say in an $80M open league you want to get 1,200 solid innings, wanting to spend no more than $36M.

36M ÷ 1,200= 30k per inning.

That would be the most you would want to spend. So go ahead and add in those search perimeters that you're already using, then in an unused block add in $/IP. You might be pleasantly surprised to find what appears to be a bargain or two.

Awhile back I started kicking the tires on some 450 plus inning pitchers, to use in 2 man or in 1/2a/2b rotations. The obvious choice is 1907 Ed Walsh, who is used a lot. There are a few really cheap options, such as the less than $11M 1888 Hank O'Day. I managed to get a 33-22 record from him, and a bunch of good no decision outings to boot.

Next I went looking for a lefty. There aren't many that are either good or affordable. I gave the 1886 Dan Casey a go. 525 innings for under $14.5M. That's less than $28k per inning. Not outstanding but steady. Best to date 40-22, 2.99 ERA. Currently 30-6 2.72 ERA in 50 starts, 40QS at game 100. Not bulletproof but he's putting up wins.

Every league is too competitive. You cannot afford to waste money. Shop wisely.

That’s great advice. I use the $/IP quite a bit.

That is great advice. Makes sense to me. What stats should I be focusing on more? I used to really focus on the low BB/9 and low Whip guys back in the day.

OAV, WHIP, BB/9 and HR/9, although I find ERC# gets me into the ballpark. ERA does have a minor effect on extra base hits, according to the Powerpoint slides. Pay attention to their actual IP/G. A guy under 6 can't go deep into games without fatigue issues. I'm not sure anymore how much normalized stats matter. Looks like the engine uses pretty much raw numbers. Better ask an expert for more scientific data...

You are likely going to pay more for Low OAV than Low BB. So a guy like Tewksbury or Moyer can probably earn a living here alongside the flamethrowers. Enjoy your shopping.

This is definitely giving me names of players I haven't used before. Thanks DoctorKz!!!

Anyone else want to throw their 2 cents in the ring?

Posted by wishlist3677 on 6/4/2020 3:07:00 PM (view original):
This is definitely giving me names of players I haven't used before. Thanks DoctorKz!!!

Anyone else want to throw their 2 cents in the ring?

My search is similar to DoctorKz’s. I use IP/162, OAV#, BB/9#, WHIP#, HR/9#, HR/9+, OAV+, and $/IP. I use the other categories to filter what I’m looking for by setting parameters there (i.e., my default OL search is:
OAV 0-.245
BB/9# 0-2
WHIP# 0-1.12
HR/9# 0-.5
HR/9+ 100-9999
OAV+ 100-9999

and then I’ll filter IP and $/IP based on what I’m looking for.)

I also vary or clear each of those depending on what my teams needs are for what I’m trying to accomplish (such as bumping WHIP# to 0-1.3 or HR/9+ to 400-9999, etc.)

The 2011 Roy Halladay is one that came up for me here that seemed a bargain and his current best PH was my first use of him.

In an OL you might be able to go a bit higher than just4me's limit of 2 BB/9. A guy like Cy Morgan has a very competitive season that checks in at 2.79. I don't recommend flirting above 3...with good overall OAV numbers coupled with solid infield defense you're probably safe.

'86 Casey has real life walks around 2.5, hasn't hurt his production. Trial and error...

The actual innings per appearance is crucial when drafting starting pitchers. Low IP/G can only be abused so much before taxing your bullpen becomes a serious issue. Higher numbers can help you shave off the number of useful bullpen innings you'll need. The cost savings can be noticeable. It pays to shop.

I've been struggling here for years. My results have improved since I really began being more efficient with my money. FWIW...

Posted by DoctorKz on 6/4/2020 4:47:00 PM (view original):
In an OL you might be able to go a bit higher than just4me's limit of 2 BB/9. A guy like Cy Morgan has a very competitive season that checks in at 2.79. I don't recommend flirting above 3...with good overall OAV numbers coupled with solid infield defense you're probably safe.

'86 Casey has real life walks around 2.5, hasn't hurt his production. Trial and error...

Oh absolutely, that's just my default search... I play around with things quite a bit... I have a team that just started that due to the construct of the team and ballpark, OAV is a way more important component for the pitchers, but I kept everything else the same while removing the BB/9# parameter altogether and tightening up the OAV+/# numbers. Only 4 of my 13 pitchers on that team have a BB/9# below 3.00, and 3 are above 4.00. You can totally play around with those parameters. That's just my default starting point for a generic pitcher.

I think $30k/IP is a little low personally, though there's definitely some bargains there, but I definitely don't spend more than $40k/IP for my SP's. Occasionally I will for RP's

This is all awesome advice. I'm having a hard time attaching a screenprint. Any suggestions?

Anyways: https://www.whatifsports.com/mlb-l/themewiz_playersearch.asp?pg=-1&spot=21&spotfilled=0&themeid=-1&dtid=-1&repid=0&bl=0&PreviousSearch=0&cashleft=33274450&uwl=0&ubl=0&dlcl=0&sstype=0&btnSave=false&ln=&fn=&PosList=1&mingames=0&ob0=18&ob1=0&fls=0&max=50&tn0=-1&ssList=&seasonmin=&seasonmax=&salmin=-99999999&salmax=8000000&arm=0&SeasonType=0&Awards=0&StatList_1=3_23&StatMin_1=275&StatMax_1=999&StatList_5=10_53&StatMin_5=0&StatMax_5=.50&StatList_2=6_42&StatMin_2=0&StatMax_2=.250&StatList_6=8_22&StatMin_6=6&StatMax_6=999&StatList_3=12_43&StatMin_3=0&StatMax_3=1.15&StatList_7=9_41&StatMin_7=&StatMax_7=&StatList_4=11_44&StatMin_4=0&StatMax_4=3.00&StatList_8=15_49&StatMin_8=0&StatMax_8=28800&cmdSearch=

How would you decide on one of these 8 pitchers?

For me, it's hard to say without knowing the make up of your team, as well as the stadium you plan on using. Is this your ace? Is he bottom of the rotation? Pitchers park? Hitters park? They can all play a huge role in who you draft as well.

Don't be afraid to use some + stats as well. I use HR-9+ and OAV+ specifically. Not all .20#HR-9 are equal.

based on my current default preferences I'd personally go with '27 Alexander and then '16 Demaree or '19 Cadore, but with a different focus, I might look at '15 Gallia, '06 Glade, or '72 Dobson. The way I decide is how the individual stats line up with what I'm trying to do with my team and how they fit within the ballpark I've selected. For my current default, that's a stronger defense with a - hit stadium, so OAV is less important, BB rate is more important to me, but I also draft alot of HR teams, so the OAV/HR ratio would be important there.

Ultimately what I am looking at right now is 900 IPs out of my starters for 24-25 million. So for 3 man I would go 8-8.3mil each on my starting look or 4 man at 6-6.25mil.

So 24-25 mil for starters, 12-14 mil for my relievers. Current hitters I have are right at 44mil. Leaving 36 for pitching. I'd like to see what I can do with that. What pitcher's should I be looking at to be competitive in an open league. Trying to win a championship with Dale Murphy.