Posted by tangplay on 6/6/2020 4:34:00 PM (view original):
My major philosophy on this is that we have one party who may be slightly reactionary to the problem and offer a wide variety of solutions, some great, some not; and we have another party who is choosing to deny that a problem exists at all. I'm always going to support the people who at least acknowledge the problem exists to begin with.

Here I'm speaking of not only policing, but criminal justice and a wide variety of other issues.

Please name one person that doesn’t think Chauvin should go to jail. I can’t name one. I see signs all over the place that say “no justice, no peace”. Chauvin is in jail. Arbery’s killers are in jail. That is justice.

No one says that bad people don’t deserve just consequences. People are saying that the police force is not inherently racist or evil. There is literally that not a shred of evidence to prove that they are.

Posted by strikeout26 on 6/6/2020 8:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/6/2020 4:34:00 PM (view original):
My major philosophy on this is that we have one party who may be slightly reactionary to the problem and offer a wide variety of solutions, some great, some not; and we have another party who is choosing to deny that a problem exists at all. I'm always going to support the people who at least acknowledge the problem exists to begin with.

Here I'm speaking of not only policing, but criminal justice and a wide variety of other issues.

Please name one person that doesn’t think Chauvin should go to jail. I can’t name one. I see signs all over the place that say “no justice, no peace”. Chauvin is in jail. Arbery’s killers are in jail. That is justice.

No one says that bad people don’t deserve just consequences. People are saying that the police force is not inherently racist or evil. There is literally that not a shred of evidence to prove that they are.

I think you missed my point. We already agreed on some of the solutions I listed out, thus also agreeing that there is some problems with American policing. Republican leadership disagrees with both of us.

Yeah, of course things could be better. As I said, that should always be our goal. I just don't see the evidence that the system is broken. I honestly don't think the evidence exists. The evidence actually speaks to the contrary. A large group on the left claim that our law enforcement is inherently evil and racist. If you are going to make a claim like that, you need to bring the evidence.

I also haven't heard republican leadership disagree with us. Part of Trump's platform was criminal justice reform.

Also, you're claim is that certain intersectional groups are marginalized. This appears false as well. You seem to look at inequities and make a false correlation with inequality.

Posted by tangplay on 6/6/2020 5:42:00 PM (view original):
12.6 police die per 100 thousand. It's nowhere close to being one of the most dangerous jobs in America.

I haven't seen anyone say it is the most dangerous job in America. If you think it is not more dangerous then most jobs, you are fooling yourself. Dangerous or not, it is not an easy job.

And how many per thousand customer service reps die? How many per thousand sanitation workers die?

Occupation
• Driver/sales workers and truck drivers had the most fatalities of any broad occupation group at 966. Among all detailed occupations, heavy and tractor-trailer truck drivers had the most fatalities at 831.
• In 2018, logging workers, fishers and related fishing workers, aircraft pilots and flight engineers, and roofers all had fatality rates more than 10 times the all-worker rate of 3.5 fatalities per 100,000 FTE workers. (See chart 4.)
• Police and sheriff’s patrol officers had 108 fatalities in 2018, up 14 percent from 2017.
• Fatal injuries to taxi drivers and chauffeurs declined by 24 percent to 47, the lowest total since 2003 when comparable data for the occupation were first available.

And all for $50k/year. Let cancel culture get their way and see what becomes of society.

Posted by strikeout26 on 6/6/2020 9:07:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, of course things could be better. As I said, that should always be our goal. I just don't see the evidence that the system is broken. I honestly don't think the evidence exists. The evidence actually speaks to the contrary. A large group on the left claim that our law enforcement is inherently evil and racist. If you are going to make a claim like that, you need to bring the evidence.

I also haven't heard republican leadership disagree with us. Part of Trump's platform was criminal justice reform.

I have zero interest in debating a semantic argument about whether the police system is "broken". I care more about specific solutions and policies. And no, I'm not ACAB. I don't think law enforcement is inherently racist. I think reform can be effective.

He may say it's part of his platform, but as far as I am aware, he's passed one CJR bill (which, from what I have read, was good). Not enough. If you want, you can point me to the Republican CJR platform, specifically on policing, and compare it to the Democrat one.

Posted by strikeout26 on 6/6/2020 9:07:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, of course things could be better. As I said, that should always be our goal. I just don't see the evidence that the system is broken. I honestly don't think the evidence exists. The evidence actually speaks to the contrary. A large group on the left claim that our law enforcement is inherently evil and racist. If you are going to make a claim like that, you need to bring the evidence.

I also haven't heard republican leadership disagree with us. Part of Trump's platform was criminal justice reform.

And how's that going?

Posted by Uofa2 on 6/7/2020 1:25:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 6/6/2020 9:07:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, of course things could be better. As I said, that should always be our goal. I just don't see the evidence that the system is broken. I honestly don't think the evidence exists. The evidence actually speaks to the contrary. A large group on the left claim that our law enforcement is inherently evil and racist. If you are going to make a claim like that, you need to bring the evidence.

I also haven't heard republican leadership disagree with us. Part of Trump's platform was criminal justice reform.

And how's that going?

I'm guessing you're talking about part 2 and that's a good question. I'm not sure what Pelosi is waiting on. I bet if she passed a bill, it would make through senate and Trump would sign it. Criminal justice reform is one of the few bipartisan issues. I'm not sure why she hasn't been more proactive.

Look up the the "first step act." I'm one of the first to call Trump out when he does and says stupid crap, but inaction in criminal justice reform is 100% on the shoulders of congress. Trump bears no blame in this. If the democrats are going to talk the talk, they need to walk the walk.

Maybe Moscow Mitch would bottle it up until after the election. Along with hundreds of bills already waiting

Ouch, strikeout with the knockout blow, no matter how the Dems/Libs try to come back with deflection.

Democrats are working on a CJR bill right now. Let's see if you are right.

Posted by strikeout26 on 6/7/2020 9:20:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Uofa2 on 6/7/2020 1:25:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 6/6/2020 9:07:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, of course things could be better. As I said, that should always be our goal. I just don't see the evidence that the system is broken. I honestly don't think the evidence exists. The evidence actually speaks to the contrary. A large group on the left claim that our law enforcement is inherently evil and racist. If you are going to make a claim like that, you need to bring the evidence.

I also haven't heard republican leadership disagree with us. Part of Trump's platform was criminal justice reform.

And how's that going?

I'm guessing you're talking about part 2 and that's a good question. I'm not sure what Pelosi is waiting on. I bet if she passed a bill, it would make through senate and Trump would sign it. Criminal justice reform is one of the few bipartisan issues. I'm not sure why she hasn't been more proactive.

Look up the the "first step act." I'm one of the first to call Trump out when he does and says stupid crap, but inaction in criminal justice reform is 100% on the shoulders of congress. Trump bears no blame in this. If the democrats are going to talk the talk, they need to walk the walk.

If Trump wanted criminal justice reform to be a priority it would be a priority. It's not 100% on congress.

Okay. Fair enough. It's only 99% congresses fault. ;)