Posted by usf_bulls on 6/8/2020 4:22:00 PM (view original):
The word has been construed as a slur. Therefore, it is a slur.

Stop using the word or we will come after you. We might just come after you anyway even if you stop using it since you dared to question.

You are correct, at least, in that a word should be deemed offensive not by the intention of the speaker but by the interpretation of the one spoken to. It is an easy cop out to say you did not intend to offend. I am not angry. I just think this is a teachable moment. Now back to talking about how wrong Candace Owens is :)

Posted by coreander on 6/8/2020 4:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by usf_bulls on 6/8/2020 4:22:00 PM (view original):
The word has been construed as a slur. Therefore, it is a slur.

Stop using the word or we will come after you. We might just come after you anyway even if you stop using it since you dared to question.

You are correct, at least, in that a word should be deemed offensive not by the intention of the speaker but by the interpretation of the one spoken to. It is an easy cop out to say you did not intend to offend. I am not angry. I just think this is a teachable moment. Now back to talking about how wrong Candace Owens is :)

That is what I was driving at.

However, only an Indigenous Person within that cultural group can make the determination as to whether or not it is offensive.

Posted by usf_bulls on 6/8/2020 4:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coreander on 6/8/2020 4:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by usf_bulls on 6/8/2020 4:22:00 PM (view original):
The word has been construed as a slur. Therefore, it is a slur.

Stop using the word or we will come after you. We might just come after you anyway even if you stop using it since you dared to question.

You are correct, at least, in that a word should be deemed offensive not by the intention of the speaker but by the interpretation of the one spoken to. It is an easy cop out to say you did not intend to offend. I am not angry. I just think this is a teachable moment. Now back to talking about how wrong Candace Owens is :)

That is what I was driving at.

However, only an Indigenous Person within that cultural group can make the determination as to whether or not it is offensive.

Now, I do not think that is fair. If I hear somebody use a racial slur, make a homophobic or transphobic comment, or say something sexist I will always call it out. So often it is not meant in malice but said out of ignorance. Given the times we live in, I think it is really important to nip any racism in the bud that we come across.

I love this already. Keep it up.

Posted by coreander on 6/8/2020 4:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by usf_bulls on 6/8/2020 4:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coreander on 6/8/2020 4:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by usf_bulls on 6/8/2020 4:22:00 PM (view original):
The word has been construed as a slur. Therefore, it is a slur.

Stop using the word or we will come after you. We might just come after you anyway even if you stop using it since you dared to question.

You are correct, at least, in that a word should be deemed offensive not by the intention of the speaker but by the interpretation of the one spoken to. It is an easy cop out to say you did not intend to offend. I am not angry. I just think this is a teachable moment. Now back to talking about how wrong Candace Owens is :)

That is what I was driving at.

However, only an Indigenous Person within that cultural group can make the determination as to whether or not it is offensive.

Now, I do not think that is fair. If I hear somebody use a racial slur, make a homophobic or transphobic comment, or say something sexist I will always call it out. So often it is not meant in malice but said out of ignorance. Given the times we live in, I think it is really important to nip any racism in the bud that we come across.

Fair? Who are you to sit in judgment for someone else's emotions? Who are you to decide what is a racial slur, a homophobic or transphobic comment, something sexist? There is no grand arbiter for such things. I am certainly not that person and neither are you.

If you believe it is fair for you to hold the power of decision in these matters, regardless of whether or not you are an actual member of the subset in question, then you are not only an anti-racist, a feminist and a social democrat (I hope I remembered them correctly?) You are also a totalitarian.

welcome to non-sports

Lol at bob trying to "sell" his racist term.

Cireander, based on your above post, am I correct that you disapprove of blacks calling each other "that word" they hate others to call them? That's certainly how I think, but some here disagree, and I just don't see how they justify it.

HOKA HOKA HEY HEY HEY YI YI YI!

Posted by coreander on 6/8/2020 4:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by usf_bulls on 6/8/2020 4:22:00 PM (view original):
The word has been construed as a slur. Therefore, it is a slur.

Stop using the word or we will come after you. We might just come after you anyway even if you stop using it since you dared to question.

You are correct, at least, in that a word should be deemed offensive not by the intention of the speaker but by the interpretation of the one spoken to. It is an easy cop out to say you did not intend to offend. I am not angry. I just think this is a teachable moment. Now back to talking about how wrong Candace Owens is :)

You're FAKE

Posted by DougOut on 6/8/2020 5:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coreander on 6/8/2020 4:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by usf_bulls on 6/8/2020 4:22:00 PM (view original):
The word has been construed as a slur. Therefore, it is a slur.

Stop using the word or we will come after you. We might just come after you anyway even if you stop using it since you dared to question.

You are correct, at least, in that a word should be deemed offensive not by the intention of the speaker but by the interpretation of the one spoken to. It is an easy cop out to say you did not intend to offend. I am not angry. I just think this is a teachable moment. Now back to talking about how wrong Candace Owens is :)

You're FAKE

The world is FAKE until you WAKE :)

Posted by coreander on 6/8/2020 5:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by DougOut on 6/8/2020 5:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coreander on 6/8/2020 4:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by usf_bulls on 6/8/2020 4:22:00 PM (view original):
The word has been construed as a slur. Therefore, it is a slur.

Stop using the word or we will come after you. We might just come after you anyway even if you stop using it since you dared to question.

You are correct, at least, in that a word should be deemed offensive not by the intention of the speaker but by the interpretation of the one spoken to. It is an easy cop out to say you did not intend to offend. I am not angry. I just think this is a teachable moment. Now back to talking about how wrong Candace Owens is :)

You're FAKE

The world is FAKE until you WAKE :)

lol

Posted by coreander on 6/8/2020 5:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by DougOut on 6/8/2020 5:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coreander on 6/8/2020 4:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by usf_bulls on 6/8/2020 4:22:00 PM (view original):
The word has been construed as a slur. Therefore, it is a slur.

Stop using the word or we will come after you. We might just come after you anyway even if you stop using it since you dared to question.

You are correct, at least, in that a word should be deemed offensive not by the intention of the speaker but by the interpretation of the one spoken to. It is an easy cop out to say you did not intend to offend. I am not angry. I just think this is a teachable moment. Now back to talking about how wrong Candace Owens is :)

You're FAKE

The world is FAKE until you WAKE :)

Hi newbi. Saw your entry post. SO FAKE.

And then you just decided to show up here and be a heavyweight?

coreander? really? Can you tell us how you came up with that?

Posted by usf_bulls on 6/8/2020 5:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coreander on 6/8/2020 4:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by usf_bulls on 6/8/2020 4:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coreander on 6/8/2020 4:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by usf_bulls on 6/8/2020 4:22:00 PM (view original):
The word has been construed as a slur. Therefore, it is a slur.

Stop using the word or we will come after you. We might just come after you anyway even if you stop using it since you dared to question.

You are correct, at least, in that a word should be deemed offensive not by the intention of the speaker but by the interpretation of the one spoken to. It is an easy cop out to say you did not intend to offend. I am not angry. I just think this is a teachable moment. Now back to talking about how wrong Candace Owens is :)

That is what I was driving at.

However, only an Indigenous Person within that cultural group can make the determination as to whether or not it is offensive.

Now, I do not think that is fair. If I hear somebody use a racial slur, make a homophobic or transphobic comment, or say something sexist I will always call it out. So often it is not meant in malice but said out of ignorance. Given the times we live in, I think it is really important to nip any racism in the bud that we come across.

Fair? Who are you to sit in judgment for someone else's emotions? Who are you to decide what is a racial slur, a homophobic or transphobic comment, something sexist? There is no grand arbiter for such things. I am certainly not that person and neither are you.

If you believe it is fair for you to hold the power of decision in these matters, regardless of whether or not you are an actual member of the subset in question, then you are not only an anti-racist, a feminist and a social democrat (I hope I remembered them correctly?) You are also a totalitarian.

I am certainly not a grand arbiter. And I am not special. What I am is well-read on a lot of literature that discusses these subjects (literature not written by cisgender white men). One book I would recommend to everyone on this board is How to Be an Antiracist by Ibram X. Kendi. It is also very important to stay abreast on the current terminology. For example, right now we are pushing for LatinX to replace Latino or Latina because it is a gender inclusive term. Happy reading :)

lol. How to be Antiracist. This recommendation comes from the ID that states "Honestly, there really shouldn't be any monuments of white people who were born before the 20th century. They were all racist " which, in and of itself, is a racist comment.. If anybody wants to understand racism, look in a mirror and save your money by not buying a book..

Right now, some are pushing for CaucasiaoX to replace white because it includes a badass mountain chain.

I know we just met but do you mind if I start calling you cilantro? I'd like to call you cilantro.

Posted by coreander on 6/8/2020 4:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 6/8/2020 4:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coreander on 6/8/2020 2:58:00 PM (view original):
No big deal, but you really shouldn't use the term Tonto. It can be construed as a slur towards Indigenous Peoples.

No it cain't. Not by those that know about it.

You see, I live along Tonto Creek. Under the Tonto Rim. For real. It's God's Country.
Please don't move here. It's way to harsh for human habitation.

Tonto is a word given to the Apaches that roamed these parts. It's Mexican (Spanish?), I believe for fool.
The "chief" that this clan of Apaches followed was called Del Shay by the whites in these parts. I don't have time at this minute to look up his actual Apache name. We couldn't pronounce it anyway.......it would even be tough to spell in English.

Never the less they were termed this (Tonto) by the settlers (and the army) because they would not give up their way of life and "come in" to the fort (Camp Verde) and surrender to the white man's rule. Thus, they were "fools". This band/clan of proud people were actually the very last "wild" Apaches to surrender to the inevitable, to whatever extent they were actually able to.

Their favorite rancheria locale still exists (to some extent) unspoiled by modern times as it is so inaccessible, even today.
It's only about 15 - 20 miles from my house, but there is only one VERY TOUGH road in. Passable only by horse, or ATV with an experienced rider and HELP from another rider (or more than one). The "road" circles around a mountain and drops into Del shay basin from above (HIGH above, the road drops a couple thousand feet in the last 2 or 3 miles). It's literally a circuitous route of about 30 + miles to go 8 miles. There is a trail (walk and horse ONLY--not even an ATV can make it thru---too narrow) of 8 miles that goes (fairly) directly in to the stronghold but I haven't walked it yet!

I tried the road about a month ago but the guy I was with wouldn't go any further so we had to turn around.
I will admit it was getting VERY tough. Life risking for some units.

Anyway, long story to let you know I know EXACTLY what a tonto is and it has NOTHING to do with any insulting reference to ANY Apache anywhere.
Actually, to me, it is similar to the word "Chiracahua" when viewed in the Apache context. A word of status. Pride.

Otherwise it's just a term meaning fool.
And thus extremely appropriate for our POTUS AND his followers.

Did you just whitesplain the meaning of the word Tonto? It is a word from the Apache language (a dialect actually) and should only be used in that context.

Can you really be that daft??

It is definitely NOT a word from the Apache "language".
Dialect??? LMFAO!!

That's just stupid beyond the limit.

It isn't Athabascan (sp?) which the Apache language is descended from (as is the Navajo).
I already told you, it's Spanish or a Mexican term placed UPON this "group of clans" by WHITES.
It means fool.

It is therefore a slur on that basis. Like calling someone a fool. Like you are revealing yourself to be on THIS subject.
It has absolutely NOTHING to do with some sort of minority or Indian insult.
THAT concept is entirely in your FOOLISH brain!