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what a load of bullshit
6/9/2020 7:47 PM
Debate you on what? Have you read the bill?
6/9/2020 7:47 PM
Yes. C-16 doesn't do what guitarguy says it does.

Please point me to one person (not employer) who has been arrested under C-16 for misgendering someone.
6/9/2020 7:49 PM
What guitarguy said (that you could be arrested for misgendering) is blatantly false and disgusting propaganda. It also shows a complete lack of independent thought and research. Anyone repeating this lie hasn't looked into the issue themselves.
6/9/2020 7:52 PM
Let me run a scenario by you. I have to go in front of the human rights tribunal for misgendering someone. I am cited and refuse to pay the fine. Do you not think they will imprison me for that?
6/9/2020 7:54 PM
https://torontoist.com/2016/12/are-jordan-petersons-claims-about-bill-c-16-correct/

Here's a source that destroys this argument. I henceforth will wait for the plethora of cases of arrests due to the trans agenda. FREE SPEECH IS UNDER ATTACK!!!
6/9/2020 7:55 PM
Posted by strikeout26 on 6/9/2020 7:54:00 PM (view original):
Let me run a scenario by you. I have to go in front of the human rights tribunal for misgendering someone. I am cited and refuse to pay the fine. Do you not think they will imprison me for that?
What the hell are you talking about
6/9/2020 7:55 PM
Posted by strikeout26 on 6/9/2020 7:54:00 PM (view original):
Let me run a scenario by you. I have to go in front of the human rights tribunal for misgendering someone. I am cited and refuse to pay the fine. Do you not think they will imprison me for that?
If only there was a single case of this happening in the four years since the Amendment. Oops. Looks like criminal scholars AND empirics disagree with you on this one.
6/9/2020 7:56 PM
I’m talking about bill C16 in Canada.
6/9/2020 7:56 PM

According to Brenda Cossman, a professor of law at the University of Toronto, Peterson is “fundamentally mischaracterizing” Bill C-16.

“I don’t know if he’s misunderstanding it, but he’s mischaracterizing it,” Cossman says.

(Brenda Cossman spoke to Torontoist about this, but you can find what else she’s said on the issue here.)

Cossman says it seems Peterson is trying to argue that the misuse of pronouns could constitute hate speech.

“I don’t think there’s any legal expert that would say that [this] would meet the threshold for hate speech in Canada,” she says.

Our courts have a very high threshold for what kind of comments actually constitutes hate speech, and the nature of speech would have to be much more extreme than simply pronoun misuse, according to Cossman.

“The misuse of pronouns is not equivalent to advocating genocide in any conceivable manner,” she continues. “If he advocated genocide against trans people, he would be in violation, but misusing pronouns is not what that provision of the code is about.”

Cossman, who has participated in a debate with Peterson, takes issue with the way he uses the language to describe what could happen if he was found in violation of the Ontario Human Rights Code.

“If he was found guilty by the Ontario Human Rights Tribunal, he would have been doing something illegal but not criminal,” Cossman says. In other words, he wouldn’t go to jail. Jail is only a punishment for committing a criminal offence—a violation of the Criminal Code.

If Peterson was found to be in violation of the code, there are different possible remedies. He could be ordered to pay money, he could be ordered to correct the behaviour, he could be ordered to go to training, etc.


That's a huge YIKES for your argument.

6/9/2020 7:57 PM
Posted by tangplay on 6/9/2020 7:56:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 6/9/2020 7:54:00 PM (view original):
Let me run a scenario by you. I have to go in front of the human rights tribunal for misgendering someone. I am cited and refuse to pay the fine. Do you not think they will imprison me for that?
If only there was a single case of this happening in the four years since the Amendment. Oops. Looks like criminal scholars AND empirics disagree with you on this one.
You said that you’ve read the bill. I have as well. Assuming you are telling the truth, you can agree that this is possibility based on the wording of the bill. I can’t speak on whether this scenario has played out yet or not, but I hope you can see how even the possibility is dangerous.
6/9/2020 7:58 PM
Posted by strikeout26 on 6/9/2020 7:56:00 PM (view original):
I’m talking about bill C16 in Canada.
Yeah no, I know what you’re talking about,

But what the hell are you talking about? That was paranoid ramblings.
6/9/2020 7:58 PM
Why the eff does trans or pronouns bother some people so much, who cares. Someone prefers being Jeffrey to Jeff, don’t be a dick and just call them Jeffrey. Same principles.

6/9/2020 8:00 PM
Posted by strikeout26 on 6/9/2020 7:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 6/9/2020 7:56:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 6/9/2020 7:54:00 PM (view original):
Let me run a scenario by you. I have to go in front of the human rights tribunal for misgendering someone. I am cited and refuse to pay the fine. Do you not think they will imprison me for that?
If only there was a single case of this happening in the four years since the Amendment. Oops. Looks like criminal scholars AND empirics disagree with you on this one.
You said that you’ve read the bill. I have as well. Assuming you are telling the truth, you can agree that this is possibility based on the wording of the bill. I can’t speak on whether this scenario has played out yet or not, but I hope you can see how even the possibility is dangerous.
It's not a possibility. No one has even come close to being arrested (as far as I know, no one has even had to pay a fine for misgendering). Legal experts disagree that someone will ever be arrested.

You don't have an argument. It's not poorly written, at least more than any other law.

This was a bullshit narrative started by Jordan Peterson to get right wingers fearful and upset. What guitarguy said is just a lie.
6/9/2020 8:02 PM
I side with Wylie on this. I don’t care what you want to be called. Live your life. What you want to be called doesn’t effect me in the slightest.

My issue is on a broader scale. Call it paranoid ramblings if you want. I hope you’re right. If you are, that’s a good thing. But I am unaware of any other bill in North America that has compelled speech. We have had laws that prohibited some speech, but we have never had a bill that has compelled speech. It’s dangerous.
6/9/2020 8:06 PM
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