I think before we tackle anything related to Hoops Dynasty we must first determine whether or not free will is an illusion. Are we even free to make the decision to "renew" or "not renew"? It's an interesting quandary and one that many philosophers have tackled for generations. Of course, the major caveat is that none of these philosophers were concerned with matters quite as important to life as a simulation college basketball game, but their inquiries are still somewhat germane to the discussion.

I have a feeling if noted German philosopher Georg Wilhem Friedrich Hegel were posting on this forum, he'd make the point that while we may believe we are free (and, in fact, may even be partly free to make our own decisions) there is, as he'd put it it, "the yoke of necessity" which bogs down our ability to freely make choices. Even a choice as important as remembering to renew your simulation college basketball team can be clouded by the other necessities that interrupt our day-to-day thinking and the life that we choose to lead. We are certainly fortunate to be playing sim basketball in a sim country as free as the sim United States -- but the question we must first sim ask ourselves is this: are our sim coaches truly free in the mind? Are any sim humans free in the mind?

It's a complex question. I have extended an email invitation to Hegel himself, requesting that he take a look at the thread and weigh in when he gets the chance. Will update when/if he responds.

I have just been informed that Hegel has been dead since 1831 and thus will be unavailable to comment. Apologies.

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Posted by shoe3 on 6/10/2020 1:14:00 AM (view original):
“If MORE people are making this mistake more often recently, well guess what?..... MORE people can say "hey, I screwed up."

Or they could fix the problem, WIS would make more money, users would be more happy, and you’d rarely see anyone post about it in the forum.

So again, why exactly are you opposed to fixing it, when there is such an easy and obvious fix?

I'm not against "fixing" anything. But what needs to be fixed??????? More reminders?! Do they need to slap you in the face or dump water on you to get you to remember? THEY OFFER AN AUTO RENEW BUTTON. It's fixed! And I'm sure that's the way they feel about it

Keep in mind, you're asking seble to do something extra. And when he says no, you're getting upset about it! So now you're also pulling out the old "well you did it for Johnny how come you can't do it for me?" Yes, I want a fair game for everyone to play. So I don't want one user having advantages over another. But every situation is different. I do not know the circumstances of each situation. And neither do you of course. Sometimes, I couldn't imagine having sebles job. He's like a parent. And his kids are crying that they still want an allowance even tho they half *** did their chores! It doesn't work that way

He probably wakes up and has his coffee while reading tickets and thinks.... "geez, another man crying that it's my fault that he can't handle the guidelines of a game". But having to be nice and professional in his responses because it's business. I'm sure he wishes he could say other things to us at times!

Some of you guys man.....

Edit.... forgot to add one thing. Yes I agree this has came up here in the forums more often lately. It has, I agree. So now 5-10 users are having this issue. Out of 1000+ profiles probably. Rather than the 1-2 users that it used to be. Still..... not nearly enough to make changes for.

It looks like you’re going to continue to ignore what has already been said, and just go with your own narrative. If you would pay attention, you’d know two of us have already given specific examples of what a user friendly fix would look like (hint, not reminders). We’re talking about structural change. Reminders are not structural change. And the ones they give are easy to ignore. The auto renew button is checked, that isn’t the issue. Site emails are very easy to ignore. And for me personally (and I’m sure I’m not alone in this) I don’t give out my personal email to these sites. I have a separate spam email that I rarely check. But in this specific case, since this account was started by my son, with his spam email account, I am doubly locked out. And there doesn’t appear to be a way to change the email you use, at least there wasn’t last time I checked, which was a couple years ago when they switched out the “wallet” section to LeagueSafe. I asked about having it changed then, and that request was casually ignored. So real world email is no help, either.

And on your number estimates.... seriously? You all got seble to close the extra resource loophole when guys got their team back after not renewing. Was it 1-2 or 5-10 people “having this issue?” You think that was enough to make changes for?

I think you know it’s always been a lot more common than that. I think the narrative you guys constructed and ran with was that it was mostly people trying to cheat. The way bbunch got bashed in those threads was shameful. I don’t doubt a few folks had figured out how to exploit it, but the vast majority has always been people just forgetting. That whole scheme was just ridiculous, way too much work and way too much risk to bother with.

If seble can close that to satisfy a few delusional supersleuths, he can easily tweak the system now to allow users to check a box to auto load credits or auto charge the CC when auto renew is checked; or he can initiate the unemployed mode directly after the NT instead of waiting a day, so people are out a day before job applications start (importantly though, after credits are earned, which is why most folks wait, of those who wait). Then you never have to come to the forums again to have this ridiculous discussion.

Oh and also, why don’t you go to the thread I started last week and lecture me about slapping me in the face, or calling me on the phone to remind me there. You know, for posterity.

To clarify, I don't wanna slap you in the face. I love ya man! I meant "do you need a reminder to slap you in the face". I was using the term as an expression.

Now regarding the thread you mentioned about closing a Loophole, that brings up a valid point that could apply here. I'm on board with getting the gang together to make the game better. So looking at this thru those eyes, let's discuss.....

The previous situation was about a loophole in the game that created an unfair advantage with gameplay. I didn't bash bbunch or any one person involved. But that issue has to do with the game play itself. As far as this renewal issue..... if this was something I felt strongly about, I'd lead the parade in hope for change. But to me, it's just not that big of a "game problem". As I stated before, there are many options and reminders. My view on renewal..... if you can recruit, set your depth chart, your tempo, your +/-, your practice, all this stuff on a daily basis..... you can renew. Not renewing is comparable to "I forgot to change my tempo for my big game". We can't go back and change that. So I just don't see a need here.

Last but not least, what I find ironic, is that you are a HUGE supporter of seble. And you defend everything HD related and preach that "the mistakes are false assumptions by the user, and better decisions can be made to prepare for (whatever)"..... but now, this renewal thing has affected YOU and you're totally changing your view. Now you're throwing barbs at seble! But this is no different than your normal preachings.... a coach can make better decisions to prepare themselves for these situations. Do you see what I mean?!

I'm sorry you lost your team. As darnoc said, I don't want anybody to lose a team they want. It would upset me too! But, I mean.....

1) A lot of folks jumped on bbunch, especially after the second time. And the clear assumption there was that a lot of people were cheating. To make the claim that it was something happening enough to try to force a change, one would think we were talking about more than a handful of people, right? I think you know this, and you’re making a story up as you go. Lots of people have experienced this, and lots of people have acknowledged that it’s popping up in the forums and on conference chats. I do think it’s interesting that the narrative developed when certain people were very convinced that these were all cheaters was that auto renew is so easy and just fixes it all, so there’s no excuse; and that narrative has carried over now that it’s becoming more clear this wasn’t really much of a cheating issue.

2) You (and others) are projecting this “he only cares about it since it happened to him”. Know how I know you’re projecting? Because you say yourself “if this was something I felt strongly about...” I mean that’s it, right? It’s easy to say other people should have done something different, until you’re in a position where it doesn’t work for you anymore. Now Benis is full of sh!t as usual, because I’ve never, that I recall, piled on in a “the system is so easy, there’s no excuse” crowd. As I said in my thread, I try to have sympathy, because it has happened to me twice in 7 years. The first time when my dad passed away, and then the second time when it felt like my neighborhood was going to be burned down. As someone with neurological differences that make certain things more difficult for me than lots of people, I can say I am kind of shocked it’s only been twice. I forget things all the time. I forget to schedule non conference games at least every third season or so, I forget to gameplan for long stretches of every season, sometimes in the postseason. I accept those consequences, they’re all rational. Losing a team you’ve spent years and hundreds of dollars on is not a rational consequence. There’s no reason the system should so easily allow that to happen as often as it does.

3) Your confusion over my “defending” seble is laughable, though understandable given your influences. Like most people, seble does some things well, and other things he clearly lacks. He’s a good game developer. I enjoy 3.0 much more than the previous version, so of course I defend *those changes*. But I’ve also said, from the very beginning of beta, that it was a huge mistake not to fix jobs first, or at least along with 3.0. The renewal process has never been a huge part of that, but it is a part. Someone can be a good game developer and a bad customer service manager. You get that, right? This is not some binary world where a person, or all the things they do, are either good or bad. As I’ve said before I’m very critical of seble here because of casual lies and dismissive, condescending attitude. I’m glad things worked out differently for wronoj. I’m glad seble appears to have done some things differently one week later. That’s progress. If he had said to me, “you know what, this is happening too often, and I can see how this is affecting user satisfaction. We’re going to try to come up with a better system” I would have no beef, even from Wisconsin.

4) Sure it’s user error on my part, and wronoj, and everyone else who loses a job this way. If you read what we said, we both acknowledged it upfront. But that doesn’t mean the system can’t or shouldn’t be made to reduce the instance and the consequence of this error. Losing out on an early entry or losing a recruit battle to someone or losing a postseason game you should have won because you forgot to gameplan... those are rational consequences of the error. Losing a team a paying customer has spent years and hundreds of dollars on is not a rational consequence of anything except cheating.

Posted by buddhagamer on 6/10/2020 1:00:00 PM (view original):
It sounds like shoe wants to use the "trigger" event as logging on WIS and *NOT* seeing his team listed to use that as a time to go buy more seasons (so the e-mails, site-mails, etc is ignored *but* the missing team not being there would be the impetus for him to go "renew" his team if allowed to at this point assuming he even logged in that day).

You could consider that once coach applications are being accepted, you've *lost* your team at that point (if not, why even not complain even once a new coach has accepted that job).

This doesn’t look like a coherent summary of my position. I’ll speak for myself.

Here’s what I would do, limited to the renewal process, if this was my game.

1) Along with auto renew, there would be two more boxes to check; the first consenting to auto load credits for purchase of a single season related to auto renew; the second to auto charge CC for remaining purchase price of a single season, if the first two boxes are checked. This is basically sol’s idea, and it’s a very good one.

2) If someone has not checked those boxes, and has not auto renewed by the time the national championship has run, they are immediately unemployed. That gives them 24 hours to renew before applications start.

3) Once applications start, a coach is always qualified for the job they just left.

4) Remove the maximum 4 applications limit. The only limit is that you can only have 4 applications at once. When declined, you can apply for other jobs.

Now this starts to get into the overall changes I would make to the jobs process, so I’ll stop here before we start a whole other rabbit trail.

For the love of God, no one quote that post by poopshoe. The processor in my phone might explode

Posted by Benis on 6/10/2020 2:26:00 PM (view original):
For the love of God, no one quote that post by poopshoe. The processor in my phone might explode

can we like... can we recognize that even though shoe is sometimes really stubborn, that other times hes one of the most constructive posters on these boards, and at least is deserving of enough respect to address without the poopshoe stuff? if it came across as a friendly joking type nickname... that would be different. and perhaps that is the intention but i seriously doubt it.

and shoe - i have said more than my fair share of not so nice things about seble, and sometimes even the nice things have turned out not so nice like the time i insisted a really, really dumb CS response must have come from some incredibly stoned minimum wage teenager and people should stop ripping on seble for it... you know, carrying that on for my standard length... and then seble came to the thread to explicitly clarify it was him. so i am quite sure i'm in no position to throw stones here, glass houses and all, but overall i think at a minimum, seble tries. he answers a lot of questions beyond what i think should be expected, even if sometimes those answers are objectively horrible and drastically worse than declining to answer. he puts in the elbow grease to deal with all these annoying 1 off situations and that *definitely* was not happening before he took over. so even though you don't really like how he handled it, i definitely take exception to calling him a liar and an intentional dodger. i think he tries enough but like the rest of us is an extremely imperfect being. the end result of what he does is sometimes good and sometimes ****, but effort wise, i maintain he's both a major improvement over what came before, and above average effort wise and probably competence wise as well, compared to usual customer support. i think you underestimate how annoying it must be for him to be both a lead developer AND the person who deals with front line customer support issues. that sounds awful. i'll take the chair, please!

Posted by hitman1979 on 6/10/2020 11:14:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cbriese on 6/9/2020 10:49:00 AM (view original):
Oh good grief. No one is willing to own up to their own failure/mistakes in these forums, and always need to find someone else to blame. Jeez. Take some personal responsibility for a change, and stop the incessant whining. "Renewals are broken". "The jobs process is broken". "Recruiting dice rolls are unfair". Life isn't always fair. And as much as you believe you deserve a participation award for everything you do, that's just not the way it works. The sooner you realize that, the better off you will be.

If you think a job system where A+ and A schools are left vacant for multiple seasons because no one is qualified for them is a good system, then I don't know what to tell you.

Let's dispel with the myth the job system is broken simply because those with mediocre resumes are not handed elite schools without actually earning them. As of today there are 127 Big 6 teams across the 10 worlds that are coached by Sim AI. Of those available teams, five are rated at A+ or A. Out of 720 Big 6 teams in WIS, five (0.7%) A or A+ teams are available. These are the teams and the number of seasons they have been available:

• Indiana (Naismith) - 2 seasons
• Miami (Wooden) - 1 season
• Miami (Smith) - 1 season
• Oklahoma (Crum) - 2 seasons
• Southern Cal (Knight) - 1 season

In your 22 seasons at Colorado State in Naismith, you've done a commendable job, making it to 10 NTs and being invited to the PIT eight times. You have managed one S16 and one E8 appearance during that time, and you've brought the Rams from C- to B+ prestige. You've ended the season ranked in the Top 25 twice, and you have never managed an RPI under 20. There are currently four other humans in your 8th-ranked conference, and you played three human-coached non-conf teams this season. Maybe you think that's good enough to qualify you for Indiana, just because it's open. It's not, and rightfully so.

Posted by cbriese on 6/10/2020 3:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by hitman1979 on 6/10/2020 11:14:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cbriese on 6/9/2020 10:49:00 AM (view original):
Oh good grief. No one is willing to own up to their own failure/mistakes in these forums, and always need to find someone else to blame. Jeez. Take some personal responsibility for a change, and stop the incessant whining. "Renewals are broken". "The jobs process is broken". "Recruiting dice rolls are unfair". Life isn't always fair. And as much as you believe you deserve a participation award for everything you do, that's just not the way it works. The sooner you realize that, the better off you will be.

If you think a job system where A+ and A schools are left vacant for multiple seasons because no one is qualified for them is a good system, then I don't know what to tell you.

Let's dispel with the myth the job system is broken simply because those with mediocre resumes are not handed elite schools without actually earning them. As of today there are 127 Big 6 teams across the 10 worlds that are coached by Sim AI. Of those available teams, five are rated at A+ or A. Out of 720 Big 6 teams in WIS, five (0.7%) A or A+ teams are available. These are the teams and the number of seasons they have been available:

• Indiana (Naismith) - 2 seasons
• Miami (Wooden) - 1 season
• Miami (Smith) - 1 season
• Oklahoma (Crum) - 2 seasons
• Southern Cal (Knight) - 1 season

In your 22 seasons at Colorado State in Naismith, you've done a commendable job, making it to 10 NTs and being invited to the PIT eight times. You have managed one S16 and one E8 appearance during that time, and you've brought the Rams from C- to B+ prestige. You've ended the season ranked in the Top 25 twice, and you have never managed an RPI under 20. There are currently four other humans in your 8th-ranked conference, and you played three human-coached non-conf teams this season. Maybe you think that's good enough to qualify you for Indiana, just because it's open. It's not, and rightfully so.

reasonable people can disagree here, but i'm with hitman on this one. his last 10 season resume (which is all that matters, i think) is pretty good, taking a C baseline program to that level of success to me suggests he should qualify for any job. he should be failing to get A/A+ jobs because he's losing out to coaches with better resumes, but not because he doesn't qualify. if you can maintain regular NT appearances and have a very recent s16 and e8, to me, you have to expect significantly better from a coach like that, given the trappings of power, and to me he's in range.

i don't like... massively disagree with you, or anything. i just don't think this example in any way proves the system is not broken. i think plenty of people will look at this example and say sure, he's qualified for A- baseline indiana at A prestige. especially if they pull up his resume and consider the last 10 seasons. i think the school staying open for 1 season is not so bad, but by the 2nd, they should be desperate, and i would think hitman would easily qualify at that point. this game doesn't have that concept but IMO it should.

Shoe, as usual, you're just making this too scientific for me. I play this game with a baller mentality. Not a programmer mentality. And splitting hairs between why we like seble or not, all irrelevant. Without 10k words and quotes and all that, I'm just going to go back to my main point. We can all say "what could I have done better?". Plain and simple.

I'm not here to make fun of anyone. I admit I love to bicker back and forth with you, because we usually tend to be on different sides of the fence on things. I don't want you or anyone else to lose a team that poured hundreds of "credits" into. (Not dollars). If you're at an A+ school you're probably winning and not paying anymore!

I just feel like it's HARD to lose a team. Not easy. I dropped a team one time. And every minute that passed I kept thinking "is it gone yet? Am I still the coach?". Sure we all don't have enough time to spend hours here every day of our lives. But I'm SURE you check at least once a day. Even for 2 minutes. After so long, you subconsciously memorize the timing of how a world schedule works. You know you just got booted from NT in X round. It's about time to renew. I just find it so difficult to believe coaches that have been here as long as you can "forget". And "ignore" emails. I just feel that way. I'm sorry.

I do agree where you said you should at least be eligible for the job you lost. It's ridiculous not to be. You were just there! But that's enough from me. Fun is over. And now we're just dancing in circles. And you're a terrible dancer, I'm more like tWitch (Stephen Boss).

add on again.... if they had an auto charge to a credit card, you know how many times people would say "why did I get charged for this?!". It's probably something they don't feel like dealing with

Posted by gillispie1 on 6/10/2020 3:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cbriese on 6/10/2020 3:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by hitman1979 on 6/10/2020 11:14:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cbriese on 6/9/2020 10:49:00 AM (view original):
Oh good grief. No one is willing to own up to their own failure/mistakes in these forums, and always need to find someone else to blame. Jeez. Take some personal responsibility for a change, and stop the incessant whining. "Renewals are broken". "The jobs process is broken". "Recruiting dice rolls are unfair". Life isn't always fair. And as much as you believe you deserve a participation award for everything you do, that's just not the way it works. The sooner you realize that, the better off you will be.

If you think a job system where A+ and A schools are left vacant for multiple seasons because no one is qualified for them is a good system, then I don't know what to tell you.

Let's dispel with the myth the job system is broken simply because those with mediocre resumes are not handed elite schools without actually earning them. As of today there are 127 Big 6 teams across the 10 worlds that are coached by Sim AI. Of those available teams, five are rated at A+ or A. Out of 720 Big 6 teams in WIS, five (0.7%) A or A+ teams are available. These are the teams and the number of seasons they have been available:

• Indiana (Naismith) - 2 seasons
• Miami (Wooden) - 1 season
• Miami (Smith) - 1 season
• Oklahoma (Crum) - 2 seasons
• Southern Cal (Knight) - 1 season

In your 22 seasons at Colorado State in Naismith, you've done a commendable job, making it to 10 NTs and being invited to the PIT eight times. You have managed one S16 and one E8 appearance during that time, and you've brought the Rams from C- to B+ prestige. You've ended the season ranked in the Top 25 twice, and you have never managed an RPI under 20. There are currently four other humans in your 8th-ranked conference, and you played three human-coached non-conf teams this season. Maybe you think that's good enough to qualify you for Indiana, just because it's open. It's not, and rightfully so.

reasonable people can disagree here, but i'm with hitman on this one. his last 10 season resume (which is all that matters, i think) is pretty good, taking a C baseline program to that level of success to me suggests he should qualify for any job. he should be failing to get A/A+ jobs because he's losing out to coaches with better resumes, but not because he doesn't qualify. if you can maintain regular NT appearances and have a very recent s16 and e8, to me, you have to expect significantly better from a coach like that, given the trappings of power, and to me he's in range.

i don't like... massively disagree with you, or anything. i just don't think this example in any way proves the system is not broken. i think plenty of people will look at this example and say sure, he's qualified for A- baseline indiana at A prestige. especially if they pull up his resume and consider the last 10 seasons. i think the school staying open for 1 season is not so bad, but by the 2nd, they should be desperate, and i would think hitman would easily qualify at that point. this game doesn't have that concept but IMO it should.

There are only 11 D1 schools with A or A+ baseline prestige levels. I have no issue with those schools (particularly if they currently have A prestige) holding out for a coach who consistently makes the S16 or is consistently top 25 ranked over the past six to ten seasons. Of the currently open A or A+ schools across all HD worlds, Indiana (Naismith) is the only top-level elite school. I just don't think you can say "recruiting is broken" because Indiana has higher standards than most teams. They should.

i don't think that's an unreasonable view seabreaze, i think but i do personally think

1) the level you are at where you make the accomplishments should matter, and it doesn't (i think we'd all agree with that sentiment? even if we draw the qualified line in different spots)

2) neither of us touched on this but i agree with other folks that being not qualified for a job you just had, after losing your job, is unpleasant from a user standpoint. its realistic, but i don't like it. the issue is a little bigger than that too. roughly, i think you should be qualified based on the higher of your current resume or your resume from your last job change, which would give people a little buffer room if they have a bad go of things, pick up a job and get busy and bail before they get to rebuild, forget to renew, etc - we all know taking a new job trashes your resume, so most people only do it when they plan to stay, but sometimes plans go awry. i wouldn't necessarily extend this same benefit to the competition part of jobs, maybe halfway or something along those lines - but bottom line, i think the penalty coaches face, on qualifications, from taking a rebuild - it feels too harsh and not user friendly, to me.

Posted by gillispie1 on 6/10/2020 4:39:00 PM (view original):
i don't think that's an unreasonable view seabreaze, i think but i do personally think

1) the level you are at where you make the accomplishments should matter, and it doesn't (i think we'd all agree with that sentiment? even if we draw the qualified line in different spots)

2) neither of us touched on this but i agree with other folks that being not qualified for a job you just had, after losing your job, is unpleasant from a user standpoint. its realistic, but i don't like it. the issue is a little bigger than that too. roughly, i think you should be qualified based on the higher of your current resume or your resume from your last job change, which would give people a little buffer room if they have a bad go of things, pick up a job and get busy and bail before they get to rebuild, forget to renew, etc - we all know taking a new job trashes your resume, so most people only do it when they plan to stay, but sometimes plans go awry. i wouldn't necessarily extend this same benefit to the competition part of jobs, maybe halfway or something along those lines - but bottom line, i think the penalty coaches face, on qualifications, from taking a rebuild - it feels too harsh and not user friendly, to me.

"We all know taking a new job trashes your resume....."

Huh? I've never been a D1 guy. When I took over BOTH of the D1 schools I have, the prestige went UP. Not down. My loyalty and reputation are both A+/A+ for both teams. And I came from D2, up to Big 6 D1 conferences

where's the trash part come in to play?

Posted by topdogggbm on 6/10/2020 4:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gillispie1 on 6/10/2020 4:39:00 PM (view original):
i don't think that's an unreasonable view seabreaze, i think but i do personally think

1) the level you are at where you make the accomplishments should matter, and it doesn't (i think we'd all agree with that sentiment? even if we draw the qualified line in different spots)

2) neither of us touched on this but i agree with other folks that being not qualified for a job you just had, after losing your job, is unpleasant from a user standpoint. its realistic, but i don't like it. the issue is a little bigger than that too. roughly, i think you should be qualified based on the higher of your current resume or your resume from your last job change, which would give people a little buffer room if they have a bad go of things, pick up a job and get busy and bail before they get to rebuild, forget to renew, etc - we all know taking a new job trashes your resume, so most people only do it when they plan to stay, but sometimes plans go awry. i wouldn't necessarily extend this same benefit to the competition part of jobs, maybe halfway or something along those lines - but bottom line, i think the penalty coaches face, on qualifications, from taking a rebuild - it feels too harsh and not user friendly, to me.

"We all know taking a new job trashes your resume....."

Huh? I've never been a D1 guy. When I took over BOTH of the D1 schools I have, the prestige went UP. Not down. My loyalty and reputation are both A+/A+ for both teams. And I came from D2, up to Big 6 D1 conferences

where's the trash part come in to play?

i think you are conflating two things that have nothing to do with each other. possibly due to my crappy and not very specific wording (man i try to keep something short... :)

when you take over a job, the coaches resume impacts prestige. this is what you experienced, but is totally different.

what i am talking about is the impact of a rebuild on your resume. d2->d1 jumps are not really in scope for this conversation IMO, because d1 success counts for so much more. still, its likely if you took over a real rebuild, your resume will drop before it goes up. however, for d1 coaches with solid resumes, its roughly a given. if you've got a program in good shape and have spent a little time there getting a good resume together, then taking over a rebuild - even an a+ elite baseline rebuild - is likely going to result in a couple missed NTs or even post seasons, some awful w/l and rpi seasons, and you are no longer qualified to get the same jobs. in short - your resume takes a hit when you take over a rebuild, as you accumulate those first couple/several bad seasons.

i think from a user friendliness / retention standpoint, this should be modified somehow to make the impact less brutal. if you qualified for a B prestige BCS school (of mid range baseline), and then you spent 2 seasons sucking horribly through no fault of your own - then you have to step away from the game for a couple months for RL stuff or whatever - now you are lucky to get *any* BCS job. its pretty substantial.

Ahhh makes sense. Yes I bombed my first season at D1 and went 5-22 so I dropped AFTER that. I thought you meant the things I listed earlier. My errrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Posted by topdogggbm on 6/10/2020 5:21:00 PM (view original):
Ahhh makes sense. Yes I bombed my first season at D1 and went 5-22 so I dropped AFTER that. I thought you meant the things I listed earlier. My errrrrrrrrrrrrrr

it is pretty neat you jumped to bcs and still brought up the prestige, though. that's not super common.

i did really mean 'resume' as in your last 10 seasons and the associated success score, or whatever. not really loyalty/rep. but now that you mention it - those things quite often take a hit at the beginning of a rebuild, too - the loyalty from moving (this is less of an issue if you were at the old job a long time), the rep from cutting several+ awful sim recruits. i actually would apply the same sort of thinking to all of it - if your loyalty/rep were a+/a+ and then you took a rebuild and left early, with those items meaningfully lower, then i don't think those items should hold you up from getting your job back OR from getting a different job, should you bail on that rebuild early. perhaps folks will say 'what is the point of loyalty and rep then' and i have no answer to that question, i've always thought they worked really stupidly and i'd vote to remove them altogether. if folks like ab90 can just not renew and then move jobs every season anyway, what's the point? (not that i have any problem with that!)