it is also different from saying he disrespects the flag or the country. Matter of fact, in my opinion, he is showing his respect for the country by trying right something he sees as wrong.

Pretty big leap to get from his statement to "Kaepernick hates the troops".

Posted by tangplay on 6/12/2020 5:19:00 PM (view original):
Pretty big leap to get from his statement to "Kaepernick hates the troops".

Who said that?

Posted by wylie715 on 6/12/2020 5:16:00 PM (view original):
it is also different from saying he disrespects the flag or the country. Matter of fact, in my opinion, he is showing his respect for the country by trying right something he sees as wrong.

I'm feeling you...but it could have been done different. That being said...He did bring attention and....

HERE'S WHERE WE ARE. So my question....

WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?

it could have been differently. It is probably not the way I would have chosen to do it if it was me. It doesn't really matter. Maybe the first thing should be all the people who accused him of disrespecting the country, the flag, the military and the police admit they may have been wrong. Then try to work on fixing the problem. How to fix the problem? I have no idea. I'm not smart enough. Whatever we are doing now isn't working.

Posted by tangplay on 6/10/2020 7:31:00 PM (view original):
I'm going to disagree with this take and play devil's advocate.

Is it possible that signing Kaep would actually be a + financial move? Think of the media attention, jersey sales, and ticket sales. Especially if done by a rebuilding team. I don't understand why we automatically assume that it's a financial negative.

For all the demands and threats, how many actually stopped watching the NFL for good because of the protests? I'm willing to bet that more would tune in to support the decision than would tune out, especially if you made it about politics.

You know that merchandise and media revenue are shared, right? The only substantial drivers of individual team revenues are ticket prices and in-stadium advertising. Turning off potential advertisers was arguably never worth the risk.

That said, I think it's more about team cohesion and clubhouse considerations than purely revenue. Kaepernick would have carried a media circus, beyond any doubt. He would become the biggest story on the team. It's not necessarily desirable to have your backup QB be your media headline, particularly in a league famous for it's attention-starved diva players. I can see why NFL teams would pass without any kind of organized blacklisting of the guy.

I also get irritated by the amount activists seem to be in love with Kaepernick. I don't think it's a coincidence that he started "protesting" after Chip Kelly announced he wasn't going to be the Week 1 starter in 2016. Amazing how he suddenly grew a social conscience when his football star was fading. I have always been convinced it was nothing but a publicity stunt that ended up backfiring on him. He's never been able to say anything remotely intelligent about his actual concerns. Heck, the guy has since admitted he doesn't bother to vote. I'm sorry, if you can't be bothered to vote, you don't care that much. It's the polar opposite of Malcolm Jenkins, who has actually gone out of his way to learn, raise awareness, and communicate with the league, the players, and the general public.

Good points made. I also agreed that there probably wasn't an organized blacklisting, and teams passed for the reasons you outlined. I don't think we know for sure whether passing on Kaep was a good decision.

I would agree that Kaep isn't the best activist. I don't really care what he has to say on the issues, and he doesn't seem to be the best representative of the movement.

I didn't see this before, and I am not sure I agree. He has become a symbol for the movement, and he has helped united a lot of people for the cause of social justice.

Ben Shapiro has been REALLY mad these past few days.

"intellectual" Ben Shapiro is real triggered over trans rights

Posted by Uofa2 on 6/10/2020 11:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by DougOut on 6/10/2020 7:22:00 PM (view original):

San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick says he refused to stand during the national anthem Friday because of his views on the country’s treatment of racial minorities.

“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,” Kaepernick told NFL Mediaafter Friday’s game. “To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”

The 49ers acknowledged in a statement that Kaepernick sat on the team’s bench during the national anthem before their game against the Green Bay Packers.

Doug thought this helped his point.

Since I'm probably the only 49er fan (at least on this thread) who was following the team when this happened, I feel like providing context.

Kaep had been told before the game that he had lost the starting job to, of all people, Blaine Gabbert. He slouched on the bench and pouted during the national anthem (conveniently ignored by the media). He didn't kneel, he didn't take a respectful stance based on religion (like Chris Jackson). He just slumped with his arms along the back of the bench, like a high schooler sleeping on the bleachers.

Once he was confronted by this lack of respect, his girlfriend pushed him to make it about black rights. I heard this from a black friend of the girlfriend, so take it for what it's worth. What he's done since then has wavered between soapbox activism (which isn't bad, on its own) and anti-cop rhetoric (the infamous socks)...

Is he better than many backups right now? Possibly, though the layoff will almost definitely hurt his biggest liabilities... accuracy and learning to read defenses. Is he so much better that he overcomes the hassle (and fan backlash) of a divisive activist..? That's for each owner to decide. Put it this way, rapists and abusers have been kept on rosters, but mainly from the star players.... rarely, if ever, has a backup with potential baggage been kept.

Way to compare a civil rights hero to a rapist. Absolutely despicable.

Don't worry Todd. coriander is a fake clone. Probably Dino27...but it doesn't matter. Over half the people here are clones.

Posted by DougOut on 6/16/2020 6:03:00 PM (view original):
Don't worry Todd. coriander is a fake clone. Probably Dino27...but it doesn't matter. Over half the people here are clones.

LOL, I was getting ready to take back what I said about this site having less toxicity than the rest of the interwebs...

Posted by toddcommish on 6/16/2020 5:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Uofa2 on 6/10/2020 11:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by DougOut on 6/10/2020 7:22:00 PM (view original):

San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick says he refused to stand during the national anthem Friday because of his views on the country’s treatment of racial minorities.

“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,” Kaepernick told NFL Mediaafter Friday’s game. “To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”

The 49ers acknowledged in a statement that Kaepernick sat on the team’s bench during the national anthem before their game against the Green Bay Packers.

Doug thought this helped his point.

Since I'm probably the only 49er fan (at least on this thread) who was following the team when this happened, I feel like providing context.

Kaep had been told before the game that he had lost the starting job to, of all people, Blaine Gabbert. He slouched on the bench and pouted during the national anthem (conveniently ignored by the media). He didn't kneel, he didn't take a respectful stance based on religion (like Chris Jackson). He just slumped with his arms along the back of the bench, like a high schooler sleeping on the bleachers.

Once he was confronted by this lack of respect, his girlfriend pushed him to make it about black rights. I heard this from a black friend of the girlfriend, so take it for what it's worth. What he's done since then has wavered between soapbox activism (which isn't bad, on its own) and anti-cop rhetoric (the infamous socks)...

Is he better than many backups right now? Possibly, though the layoff will almost definitely hurt his biggest liabilities... accuracy and learning to read defenses. Is he so much better that he overcomes the hassle (and fan backlash) of a divisive activist..? That's for each owner to decide. Put it this way, rapists and abusers have been kept on rosters, but mainly from the star players.... rarely, if ever, has a backup with potential baggage been kept.

I'm a 49er fan and was following the team when all of this happened. Just out of curiosity, were you a first hand witness to any of this? No? Then you don't really know what happen. Just what you have been told. Not saying it didn't happen the way you said. I t may very well have. But I wasn't there, and neither were you.