Posted by benhoidal on 6/18/2020 1:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by copernicus on 6/18/2020 1:16:00 PM (view original):
also there should be some coverage of ash turning to the 'dark side': at first I was a staunch defender but then I slowly came to realize - kind of deal

Absolutely. You guys have to write that up though because I just don’t know enough.

It was the thread where I got the usage tiers out of him... pages and pages of back and forth with my slow transition from stupid optimist to outspoken critic. Had to be a decade or more ago...

Make some dialogue up that’s close enough but funnier or exaggerated.

I read that thread recently. there's a link to it on one of the pages in the usage post I believe

I have no idea what is happening in this thread.

the truth

Posted by ashamael on 6/18/2020 2:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by benhoidal on 6/18/2020 1:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by copernicus on 6/18/2020 1:16:00 PM (view original):
also there should be some coverage of ash turning to the 'dark side': at first I was a staunch defender but then I slowly came to realize - kind of deal

Absolutely. You guys have to write that up though because I just don’t know enough.

It was the thread where I got the usage tiers out of him... pages and pages of back and forth with my slow transition from stupid optimist to outspoken critic. Had to be a decade or more ago...

and me just looking at the screen nodding my head, hands in the air, 'SEE!"

I found it. on page 12 of the usage thread.... Ash posted:

read this thread almost in its entirety. You'll see a dramatic transformation or two of faithful owners into skeptical, jaded & disgruntled *********!

great link

qistat! abrondon! those guys were bad ***** - I think Q was on the original council too - plus that ashleyscott dude f-ing hated me (probably for reasons)

I dont know why they would ever ban this guy:

word - they didnt even bother to sanity check the offensive ranges, defensive ratings, or guestimated RBD% of the 60s players

or if they did they had chimpanzees doing the leg work because there you have a litany of stupid ranges (Wilt/Moses mid, DR J/Barkley perimeter etc), you have half the players who ever played rated as 100 defenders

and you have rebounding results exactly the opposite of your stated intention (i.e.an effort at normalization across eras winds up creating an even bigger advantage for 60s players)

all of which items were called out by the owners within the first day of live release (and still havent been addressed more than 2 months later)

stupid, but also retarded

malone9975 too

Posted by copernicus on 6/18/2020 6:19:00 PM (view original):
malone9975 too

I always thought this was one of your aliaii until I was corrected recently.

oh man, offensive ranges needs to be a subject in & of itself. Kareem's 18-foot skyhooks! Chuck with the elite perimeter game. Such absurdity.

I do regret that they changed the rebounding, though... Those Wilt & Russell seasons with 40%+ drb were legit. I still have a screen grab of some of that somewhere.

*Pearl Jam plays*

Bill Simmons: Welcome to the Bill Simmons podcast sponsored by SeatGeek, tonight we’re doing “The Redraftables” and not just any Redraftables, we’re doing the classic 2003 Draft, one of the best drafts ever. And to my credit, I always knew that LeBron was going to be good.

House: you did know that

Bill: yeah I was a fan of his even before he ever played an NBA game. Possibly the greatest point guard ever. And what really makes him special is his ability to guard UP. He can even guard small forwards!

Ryen: He rebounds like a small forward too

Bill: well let’s not get ahead of ourselves here...
Okay so real quick: let’s go through what really happened in real life. Bron at 1. Darko at 2, which obviously is a bonehead move but you know the move that isn’t quite as bad but is almost as bad and never gets talked about? Melo at 3! I mean what were they thinking?! You don’t want that low of eFG% with that many points of usage!
Okay and then you have Bosh at 4 which actually was a good pick. People didn’t realize it at the time because the game was still being played old school, but he is a really good modern player. Classic small ball small forward!

House: yeah can you believe he was actually scouted as a PF/C?

Bill: Hang on House I’m still doing the thing. Okay then at 5 you have Wade. Solid pick. Nothing special but a few pretty good years. Kaman at 6...I think this was back when Pennsylvania still owned the Clippers, so no surprises there.

House: yeah that’s a really-

Bill: okay and then Hinrich at 7, I actually think he should’ve been top 5. All you have to do is just plan your whole team around that one year where he magically gets 33% better at defense and you’d be pretty good for that one season. He’s part of my 34-12-3400 club, there are only 2 members. House do you know who the other one is?

House: I don’t even know what that is

Bill: I just came up with it. The other member is DeJuan Blair.
Okay and then you have a bunch of guys who don’t matter, and a few who do like David West, Boris Diaw...

House: what like David West matters? He would never be a starter on any team except in his last season when he gets way better out of nowhere

Simmons: you know I’m still on David West Island

House: okay yeah me too

Bill: Alright we’re going to cut to break and be right back with who should have gone where.

Excellent excerpt for the progressive episode!

holy sh!t dbkc...that was great

"Bill: Hang on House I’m still doing the thing."

hahaha so true

"Okay and then you have a bunch of guys who don’t matter"

no bill...thats the whole point of the damn podcast! to talk about those guys! we dont need 30 mins of you trying to convince us okafor>howard wasnt really that bad and why you dont regret it