The commie not trusting the media or Biden when he backs the greatest LIAR in the history of LIARS is laughable.

The “over-hyped” well over hundred thousand DEAD BODIES are NOT laughable.

Keep it up commie. You never disappoint.

Also, y'all, throwing insults at CCCP and calling him racist is not going to help him change his beliefs right now. It's only going to solidify his position against the left.

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/22/2020 2:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 6/22/2020 1:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/22/2020 1:23:00 PM (view original):
#1) If you're not going to read what I write, why debate? COVID-19 is relatively mild. I want a full policy on how we screen all visitors and potential immigrants and asylum seekers. What stops someone from a foreign country of sending an infected person to poison us again. I need more data. I need scientists and medical doctors to opine on how we do that. So for now we close the borders and limit travel from other countries to people who do it for political reasons or the military. I am not sure what the right answer is but keeping things the way they were cannot happen. The whole playbook needs to be scrapped and re-written from scratch. For example Sweden never locked down. I would not allow people from Sweden here until we have a vaccine and then see what we do going forward based on other potential illnesses. Now going forward we have to be prepared for anything and everything. This is the new normal.

#2) Wall Street Journal or anything that is fact based. Nothing opinion based. For example I don't need a link to show you that Israel's embassy is now in Jerusalem. Showing me links from CNN on how evil our border security is...is not productive. I don't trust our media. They lied about COVID-19, they have been lying to us for years. Only media I trust remotely is the WSJ.

#3) I am a COVID-19 survivor and I use that term anecdotally because the media overplayed and over hyped this illness.

We are in a new normal and I will be voting as such going forward.

relatively mild??? tell that to the 100,000 plus who have died, or the millions who have lost their jobs.

How do you know the media has "over hyped" this illness? Since you don't trust the media. Has the WSJ said the illness has been over hyped? What so called facts do you have to back this claim up?

#1) Of those who died the majority are from nursing homes and were on death's door. Very few died who didn't have underlying conditions. Relatively means its not a global killer like the Spanish Flu was where ~50mil died.

#2) I know because I had it. I know because if you're healthy it is no worse than a bad cold and most have zero symptoms. My wife only lost taste and smell for a few weeks.

#3) They over hyped it because every outlet made it sound like the black plague.

let's see..the spanish flu ws back in 1918. You don't think that there have been some medical advances in 102 years? Do you think if the covid19 virus struck in 1918 the results would be similar to what happen with the spanish flu.
So its okay if the old folks die, as long as you are okay? That seems like a typical Trump supporter view of things. My 91 year old mother lives in a nursing facility and they have already had 2 residents and two staff members test positive. The residents were elderly, but the staff members were not. I am very worried about my mom's health, even if she is elderly.

Posted by tangplay on 6/22/2020 2:10:00 PM (view original):
Also, y'all, throwing insults at CCCP and calling him racist is not going to help him change his beliefs right now. It's only going to solidify his position against the left.

Very true statement. Look at what happened here, tang. I was civil, yes? Check out the vitriol and personal attacks.

"Tolerant Left" strikes again. At least rsp cannot redline or block me here as it is your thread. I promised you I would be respectful and I keep my promises. What else would you like to get my opinion on?

Posted by tangplay on 6/22/2020 2:10:00 PM (view original):
Also, y'all, throwing insults at CCCP and calling him racist is not going to help him change his beliefs right now. It's only going to solidify his position against the left.

Jesus coming back and saying don't vote Trump wouldn't convince these people.

Posted by rsp777 on 6/22/2020 2:10:00 PM (view original):
The commie not trusting the media or Biden when he backs the greatest LIAR in the history of LIARS is laughable.

The “over-hyped” well over hundred thousand DEAD BODIES are NOT laughable.

Keep it up commie. You never disappoint.

I have to agree with RSP here (and I don't agree with much he says). Not saying Biden is perfectly honest (He's a politician, so we know he isn't) but how can someone who supports Trump claim not to trust Biden? Trump continually lies about anything and everything. If you deny that Trump is a proven liar, there's no point in even talking to you.

If you really want, I can redline the uncivil stuff. I think it's fair to ask for a respectful conversation. I don't know if you saw my last post on page 1 but I asked you that assuming we shut down for 18 months, whether you support Trump's asylum restrictions after that?

Posted by tangplay on 6/22/2020 2:09:00 PM (view original):
OK. So let's say that I agree with you that we should shut down our borders for 18 months because of COVID or other illnesses (although I hate to break it to you, but if bioterror happens, it probably will not be through immigrants. If a foreign country wants to commit a bioterror attack, closing our borders probably won't help).

Let's discuss the immigration policy after we re-open. Do you support Trump's asylum policy and why or why not?

I disagree. Much easier to send in a person with a disease that may not exhibit symptoms immediately. I could be wrong. As far was what it should be, I leave that up to the experts: Military/scientists/doctors to decide. I honestly cannot opine because I do not know how they keep us safe as I am not an expert in that field. You may need to set up a cruise ship and keep potential applicants there for a month and release them once they have a full bill of health? I am grasping at straws. This goes beyond Trump or Biden, it needs to be a bi-partisan action. IMO.

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/22/2020 2:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/22/2020 2:10:00 PM (view original):
Also, y'all, throwing insults at CCCP and calling him racist is not going to help him change his beliefs right now. It's only going to solidify his position against the left.

Very true statement. Look at what happened here, tang. I was civil, yes? Check out the vitriol and personal attacks.

"Tolerant Left" strikes again. At least rsp cannot redline or block me here as it is your thread. I promised you I would be respectful and I keep my promises. What else would you like to get my opinion on?

I didn’t insult you. I responded to your own words. I find them amusing, but they are yours to have. I acknowledge them. I also think they’re ridiculous and hypocritical at BEST.

Posted by Uofa2 on 6/22/2020 2:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/22/2020 2:10:00 PM (view original):
Also, y'all, throwing insults at CCCP and calling him racist is not going to help him change his beliefs right now. It's only going to solidify his position against the left.

Jesus coming back and saying don't vote Trump wouldn't convince these people.

Yeah, but I'd rather at least provide him some facts that he can think about from the other side. If we just call him a racist and stupid (even if you think it's accurate), his opinion will only get more extreme.

Posted by wylie715 on 6/22/2020 2:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/22/2020 2:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 6/22/2020 1:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/22/2020 1:23:00 PM (view original):
#1) If you're not going to read what I write, why debate? COVID-19 is relatively mild. I want a full policy on how we screen all visitors and potential immigrants and asylum seekers. What stops someone from a foreign country of sending an infected person to poison us again. I need more data. I need scientists and medical doctors to opine on how we do that. So for now we close the borders and limit travel from other countries to people who do it for political reasons or the military. I am not sure what the right answer is but keeping things the way they were cannot happen. The whole playbook needs to be scrapped and re-written from scratch. For example Sweden never locked down. I would not allow people from Sweden here until we have a vaccine and then see what we do going forward based on other potential illnesses. Now going forward we have to be prepared for anything and everything. This is the new normal.

#2) Wall Street Journal or anything that is fact based. Nothing opinion based. For example I don't need a link to show you that Israel's embassy is now in Jerusalem. Showing me links from CNN on how evil our border security is...is not productive. I don't trust our media. They lied about COVID-19, they have been lying to us for years. Only media I trust remotely is the WSJ.

#3) I am a COVID-19 survivor and I use that term anecdotally because the media overplayed and over hyped this illness.

We are in a new normal and I will be voting as such going forward.

relatively mild??? tell that to the 100,000 plus who have died, or the millions who have lost their jobs.

How do you know the media has "over hyped" this illness? Since you don't trust the media. Has the WSJ said the illness has been over hyped? What so called facts do you have to back this claim up?

#1) Of those who died the majority are from nursing homes and were on death's door. Very few died who didn't have underlying conditions. Relatively means its not a global killer like the Spanish Flu was where ~50mil died.

#2) I know because I had it. I know because if you're healthy it is no worse than a bad cold and most have zero symptoms. My wife only lost taste and smell for a few weeks.

#3) They over hyped it because every outlet made it sound like the black plague.

let's see..the spanish flu ws back in 1918. You don't think that there have been some medical advances in 102 years? Do you think if the covid19 virus struck in 1918 the results would be similar to what happen with the spanish flu.
So its okay if the old folks die, as long as you are okay? That seems like a typical Trump supporter view of things. My 91 year old mother lives in a nursing facility and they have already had 2 residents and two staff members test positive. The residents were elderly, but the staff members were not. I am very worried about my mom's health, even if she is elderly.

#1) I do not believe Spanish Flu was not as contagious but much more deadly. Apples and oranges. But I do not know either. 102 years and we just locked down the world! So you tell me. And we still cannot agree when and how to reopen.

#2) When did I say it was OK for them to die? They are at higher risk but at 91 someone could die anyway as statistically they have lived beyond the average lifespan. It sucks and my parents are younger but I am careful with them. On the bright side the virus seems to be weakening. Hopefully your mother is OK and lives to be 100. We need policies to protect the vulnerable while allowing the rest to live their lives as best they can.

I’d love to hear him defend the LIE issue because it’s not possible.

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/22/2020 2:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/22/2020 2:09:00 PM (view original):
OK. So let's say that I agree with you that we should shut down our borders for 18 months because of COVID or other illnesses (although I hate to break it to you, but if bioterror happens, it probably will not be through immigrants. If a foreign country wants to commit a bioterror attack, closing our borders probably won't help).

Let's discuss the immigration policy after we re-open. Do you support Trump's asylum policy and why or why not?

I disagree. Much easier to send in a person with a disease that may not exhibit symptoms immediately. I could be wrong. As far was what it should be, I leave that up to the experts: Military/scientists/doctors to decide. I honestly cannot opine because I do not know how they keep us safe as I am not an expert in that field. You may need to set up a cruise ship and keep potential applicants there for a month and release them once they have a full bill of health? I am grasping at straws. This goes beyond Trump or Biden, it needs to be a bi-partisan action. IMO.

Sure. If you really want to protect against bioterror through immigration, we can impose some policies relating to that. I'm still curious what your opinion is/was on Trump's asylum restrictions, even before COVID.

I have read expert papers on bioterror, and don't think I have ever read speculation on whether it is possible to mass-infect people through immigration. If a country wants to infect us, sending immigrants is probably not the way to go.

Posted by wylie715 on 6/22/2020 2:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rsp777 on 6/22/2020 2:10:00 PM (view original):
The commie not trusting the media or Biden when he backs the greatest LIAR in the history of LIARS is laughable.

The “over-hyped” well over hundred thousand DEAD BODIES are NOT laughable.

Keep it up commie. You never disappoint.

I have to agree with RSP here (and I don't agree with much he says). Not saying Biden is perfectly honest (He's a politician, so we know he isn't) but how can someone who supports Trump claim not to trust Biden? Trump continually lies about anything and everything. If you deny that Trump is a proven liar, there's no point in even talking to you.

Because I have already seen what Trump does and I support it. I don't know what Biden will do if elected. So you agree that I am a "commie". LOL

Thanks...way to be civil.

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/22/2020 2:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/22/2020 2:09:00 PM (view original):
OK. So let's say that I agree with you that we should shut down our borders for 18 months because of COVID or other illnesses (although I hate to break it to you, but if bioterror happens, it probably will not be through immigrants. If a foreign country wants to commit a bioterror attack, closing our borders probably won't help).

Let's discuss the immigration policy after we re-open. Do you support Trump's asylum policy and why or why not?

I disagree. Much easier to send in a person with a disease that may not exhibit symptoms immediately. I could be wrong. As far was what it should be, I leave that up to the experts: Military/scientists/doctors to decide. I honestly cannot opine because I do not know how they keep us safe as I am not an expert in that field. You may need to set up a cruise ship and keep potential applicants there for a month and release them once they have a full bill of health? I am grasping at straws. This goes beyond Trump or Biden, it needs to be a bi-partisan action. IMO.

The CDC used to be bipartisan!