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Posted by bronxcheer on 6/22/2020 6:56:00 PM (view original):
coreander = guitargal alias

obvious
don't know that it is obvious, but I think it is more likely than coreander being dino27
6/22/2020 7:00 PM
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Posted by coreander on 6/22/2020 6:45:00 PM (view original):
Racists and people who engage in hate speech should not have the right to vote, but I definitely think felons should (since most of them are the victims of our unfair criminal justice system).
It’s just a ******* fantasy world of college theories with this one. There’s nothing here of actual substance.

Every single person should have the right to vote, full stop. Not an arbitrary line subject to the whims of the people in charge.

By the way, do you know what the socialists were during in Germany in 1932 or so? Just curious.
6/22/2020 8:37 PM (edited)
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They were probably fighting the Nazis.
6/22/2020 8:14 PM
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Posted by coreander on 6/22/2020 8:14:00 PM (view original):
They were probably fighting the Nazis.
Oh, Big swing and a miss! Yale and 10k likes per tweet only get you so far, I guess.

”Another fatal consequence of the KPD’s ultra-leftism was that the term “fascism” was used irresponsibly to describe any and all opponents to the right of the party. The SPD-led government that ruled Germany until 1930 was considered “social fascist”. When Brüning formed a new right-wing government by decree without a parliamentary majority in 1930, the KPD declared that fascism had taken power. This went hand in hand with a deadly underestimation of the Nazi danger. Thus Thälmann could declare in 1932: “Nothing could be more fatal for us than to opportunistically overestimate the danger posed by Hitler-fascism”. The KPD’s seeming inability to distinguish between democratic, authoritarian and fascist expressions of capitalist rule proved to be its undoing. An organisation that continually vilified bourgeois democratic governments as fascist was unable to understand the true meaning of Hitler’s ascension to power on 30 January 1933, the day the KPD infamously (and ominously) declared: “After Hitler, we will take over!”“

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2018/10/how-left-enabled-fascism
6/22/2020 8:29 PM (edited)
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Posted by coreander on 6/22/2020 6:45:00 PM (view original):
Racists and people who engage in hate speech should not have the right to vote, but I definitely think felons should (since most of them are the victims of our unfair criminal justice system).
6/23/2020 7:32 AM
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Posted by Uofa2 on 6/22/2020 8:29:00 PM (view original):
Posted by coreander on 6/22/2020 8:14:00 PM (view original):
They were probably fighting the Nazis.
Oh, Big swing and a miss! Yale and 10k likes per tweet only get you so far, I guess.

”Another fatal consequence of the KPD’s ultra-leftism was that the term “fascism” was used irresponsibly to describe any and all opponents to the right of the party. The SPD-led government that ruled Germany until 1930 was considered “social fascist”. When Brüning formed a new right-wing government by decree without a parliamentary majority in 1930, the KPD declared that fascism had taken power. This went hand in hand with a deadly underestimation of the Nazi danger. Thus Thälmann could declare in 1932: “Nothing could be more fatal for us than to opportunistically overestimate the danger posed by Hitler-fascism”. The KPD’s seeming inability to distinguish between democratic, authoritarian and fascist expressions of capitalist rule proved to be its undoing. An organisation that continually vilified bourgeois democratic governments as fascist was unable to understand the true meaning of Hitler’s ascension to power on 30 January 1933, the day the KPD infamously (and ominously) declared: “After Hitler, we will take over!”“

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2018/10/how-left-enabled-fascism
Hey UofA2, thank you for sharing this article! It is incredibly interesting and states better than I have some of my fears about the consequences of the radical left's growing chokehold on our mainstream culture. I really think, as flawed of a candidate as she might have been, that HRC would have won the 2016 election very easily if not for the concurrent cultural movements happening in our country at that time. 2015 was a year that a whole host of terms like microaggression, white privilege etc. made their way to the public consciousness. We had the turmoil taking place on the Missouri campus. Free speech was being curtailed by people who equated words to violence. Jonathon Haidt wrote an incredible article in The Atlantic about the "safetyism" on college campuses. Without all of this, I do not think Trump's reactionary movement would have taken hold the way that it did. The protests and the crazier elements of the left (now on a quest to destroy public property beyond that of just Confederate statues) does not bode well for 2020 and beyond.
6/23/2020 10:55 AM
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Criticizing the left does not absolve the right. One side contributed to Trump, the other side enthusiastically went all-in.

I'll take core's misguided naivete 10 times out of 10 over anyone who's still thinking about voting for Don.
6/23/2020 11:47 AM (edited)
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You know that you are part of the problem though, guitarguy? You said you won't vote for Biden because of the "radical left". You're enabling fascism.
6/23/2020 11:50 AM
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I never said I wouldn't vote for Biden. I said I had an emotional reaction in 2015 and decided I would never vote for a Democrat again in light of what was happening in the country at that time. That was admittedly an emotional reaction and not necessarily something that will determine my voting policy from here on out. I am not registered to vote and live in a state that will be blue no matter what, but I was (at my gf's very strong urging) going to register and vote again (last vote I placed was for Obama in 2012) as Trump's leadership during Corona has been horrendous. But then June happened , the media is showing their true partisan colors in their coverage of the protests, and our founding fathers are being torn down in the streets. So my desire to be a part of the Democratic process has waned again.
6/23/2020 12:03 PM
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"The media" and some statues = can't vote against Trump now
6/23/2020 12:06 PM
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There's your problem. What does Biden have to do with the protests? They're happening with or without him.

Just register to vote, and vote for Biden. Participating in the Democratic process is good. Nothing you have said argues against that. I totally resonate with your emotional reaction, but when it comes down to it, we need to prioritize "reals" over "feels".

If you just said "Hey, I registered to vote, and I'm going to vote for Biden because he's better than Trump." I wouldn't complain nearly as much about your arguments against the media or whatever. You would just be wylie, but a bit farther right.
6/23/2020 12:08 PM
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By the way, even if your state goes blue no matter what, down ballot elections and primaries still matter. In Kansas, we have no chance of flipping to Biden. However, I can weigh in on who Rep and Senate candidates are at a state and federal level, who my mayor is, who my governor is, etc. That stuff is important as well, and well worth voting. I try to separate the voters from the candidate. When I'm voting for someone, I consider whether I agree with them, not whether I agree with their base.
6/23/2020 12:11 PM
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Today's Republican Party responds to a pandemic:
Let's not have too many tests (Trump)
Let's not make it safe to vote (McConnell)
Let Americans take vacations (McSally)

But statues.
6/23/2020 12:33 PM
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Posted by tangplay on 6/23/2020 12:08:00 PM (view original):
There's your problem. What does Biden have to do with the protests? They're happening with or without him.

Just register to vote, and vote for Biden. Participating in the Democratic process is good. Nothing you have said argues against that. I totally resonate with your emotional reaction, but when it comes down to it, we need to prioritize "reals" over "feels".

If you just said "Hey, I registered to vote, and I'm going to vote for Biden because he's better than Trump." I wouldn't complain nearly as much about your arguments against the media or whatever. You would just be wylie, but a bit farther right.
what the hell does that mean?
6/23/2020 12:40 PM
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It wasn't an insult. You tend to complain about both sides, but the right slightly more. Guitarguy would probably be the inverse.
6/23/2020 12:46 PM
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