I have zero sympathy for people getting fired for their political opinions at work. You can hide that you like Trump. You can't hide your skin color, or gender, or, to a lesser extent, your sexual preference.

Taking it to the logical extreme, of course a company wouldn't want to keep a white supremacist on their staff.

I am in complete agreement. It really is not a stretch at all to say that open support of Trump is implicit support of white supremacism. In the coming years, it will be a more and more important job of HR departments to monitor the social media channels of their employees. We are facing a time of unprecedented hate in this country, and there should be absolutely no mercy shown to racists. It is bad for business and bad for the country. Fire them all and do it publicly. There should be a website set up to track all of those fired for hate offenses to ensure that no respectable organization will ever hire them again.

WOW. You've never heard of the concept of protecting "civil liberty"?

PLEASE just one thing.

Define EXACTLY what is a "hate offense" that you want some person to be publicly "listed" as having committed for the rest of eternity??

One more thing. WHO gets to "control" that website you mention?

JUST what thoughts are acceptable in your opinion and who is it that you wish to empower to be the thought police??

You are really one SCARILY ignorant human being.
PLEASE stay on the sidelines and let others do the thinking.
Study hard........... you need some knowledge young them.

Your civil liberties end where your racism begins. PERIOD

Could we all agree employers should have the ability to fire someone if they found out that they are giving a job to a straight-up Nazi?

And if so, we all agree that you shouldn't be protected for political opinions at work. At that point, it's about where (or if) we should draw a line.

Posted by tangplay on 7/14/2020 12:05:00 PM (view original):
I have zero sympathy for people getting fired for their political opinions at work. You can hide that you like Trump. You can't hide your skin color, or gender, or, to a lesser extent, your sexual preference.

Taking it to the logical extreme, of course a company wouldn't want to keep a white supremacist on their staff.

Exactly

Posted by coreander on 7/14/2020 3:17:00 PM (view original):
Your civil liberties end where your racism begins. PERIOD

Cute but an evasion. You still haven't answered just WHAT a "hate offense" is?

coreander and friends

Posted by coreander on 7/14/2020 2:22:00 PM (view original):
I am in complete agreement. It really is not a stretch at all to say that open support of Trump is implicit support of white supremacism. In the coming years, it will be a more and more important job of HR departments to monitor the social media channels of their employees. We are facing a time of unprecedented hate in this country, and there should be absolutely no mercy shown to racists. It is bad for business and bad for the country. Fire them all and do it publicly. There should be a website set up to track all of those fired for hate offenses to ensure that no respectable organization will ever hire them again.

Radical stupidity. Now you want to make lists? Sounds a bit FASCIST.

Posted by tangplay on 7/14/2020 3:44:00 PM (view original):
Could we all agree employers should have the ability to fire someone if they found out that they are giving a job to a straight-up Nazi?

And if so, we all agree that you shouldn't be protected for political opinions at work. At that point, it's about where (or if) we should draw a line.

I'm not sure I agree with that.

As long as they aren't married to actions harmful to the company, and aren't used to push away customers, I don't think anyone's political beliefs should necessarily preclude them from employment. Even if those beliefs are way off-center.

I think a company employing a Nazi would be a factor impacting said company generally, but OK.

Even in a scenario where it doesn't affect their work itself, I think an employer has every right to fire someone for a personal belief.

I have mixed feelings about it.

On the one hand, I would like to respect the rights of employers to employee whoever they would like to employ. On the other hand, that's pretty well out the door anyway. Anti-discrimination legislation exists. You can't choose to fire, or not hire, someone because they are a woman, disabled, etc. unless it would have a concrete negative impact on their ability to do the job. This includes people with disabilities caused by doing stupid stuff. Get drunk and all into an empty pool at a college party and wind up a paraplegic? You still can't be discriminated against. It's not that big of a logical leap from there to believing stupid things.

I also think it's already very hard for blue-collar workers to achieve life stability. I've known my wife for a little under 18 years. In that time her mom has worked for Wal-Mart (twice, but at the same store), 2 McDonalds, 2 Rutters, 2 Sheetz, a Royal Farms, and likely another place or 2 I'm forgetting. Sometimes she's only part time. I just think in general that blue collar people in particular need whatever employment protections they can get. If you make it too easy to fire people for their beliefs, which are generally hard to quantify, hard to prove when they've changed, etc. I feel like you're setting up a loophole making it very easy to get rid of anyone at any time even if they have the luxury of a protective contract.

Posted by coreander on 7/14/2020 2:22:00 PM (view original):
I am in complete agreement. It really is not a stretch at all to say that open support of Trump is implicit support of white supremacism. In the coming years, it will be a more and more important job of HR departments to monitor the social media channels of their employees. We are facing a time of unprecedented hate in this country, and there should be absolutely no mercy shown to racists. It is bad for business and bad for the country. Fire them all and do it publicly. There should be a website set up to track all of those fired for hate offenses to ensure that no respectable organization will ever hire them again.

But I bet you think convicted felons should be in some way guaranteed more opportunities than they tend to get now...

It's ok if you held up a liquor store 10 years ago. As long as you didn't say anything negative about the black cashier.

Posted by dahsdebater on 7/15/2020 1:03:00 PM (view original):
I have mixed feelings about it.

On the one hand, I would like to respect the rights of employers to employee whoever they would like to employ. On the other hand, that's pretty well out the door anyway. Anti-discrimination legislation exists. You can't choose to fire, or not hire, someone because they are a woman, disabled, etc. unless it would have a concrete negative impact on their ability to do the job. This includes people with disabilities caused by doing stupid stuff. Get drunk and all into an empty pool at a college party and wind up a paraplegic? You still can't be discriminated against. It's not that big of a logical leap from there to believing stupid things.

I also think it's already very hard for blue-collar workers to achieve life stability. I've known my wife for a little under 18 years. In that time her mom has worked for Wal-Mart (twice, but at the same store), 2 McDonalds, 2 Rutters, 2 Sheetz, a Royal Farms, and likely another place or 2 I'm forgetting. Sometimes she's only part time. I just think in general that blue collar people in particular need whatever employment protections they can get. If you make it too easy to fire people for their beliefs, which are generally hard to quantify, hard to prove when they've changed, etc. I feel like you're setting up a loophole making it very easy to get rid of anyone at any time even if they have the luxury of a protective contract.

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that we change any law. I'm arguing against what many right wingers have been suggesting - a federal anti-political discrimination law. I'm perfectly fine with the status quo.

Political belief is separate from other types of discrimination (including, even, felon discrimination) because at any time you can choose to change what you believe. Even if you made a stupid mistake and got a felony a decade ago, you can't change that. You can always change your mind about black people being genetically inferior to white people.

Right now, you can get fired for political belief. The culture is as such currently that most left-wing ideologies are good (other than tankies, and **** those people). A law that protects people from their employers based on ideology would serve to only benefit the interests of racists and fascists. Why should I care about the livelihood of those people? It wouldn't benefit me in any way. Yes, we should discourage people from being fascist.

If you don't want to get fired for saying "all lives matter," you should convince more people that you are in the right. Otherwise, don't cry about losing the culture war. I would say the same to someone who might get fired for advocating for a revolution against the upper class to seize the means of production.