This is an interesting progressive with lots of superstars and a solid franchise available. The rules are below. We are moving into the 1994 season (almost halfway through 93 currently). The franchise open is the Minnesota franchise.

Minnesota has upcoming rights to David Ortiz, Johann Santana, Brad Radke, and Torri Hunter to go with a current core group of Ted Simmons, Rod Carew, Kirby Puckett, Brett Butler, Bert Blyleven, Kevin Tapani, and Jim Kaat (full roster below plus highlights of upcoming rookie classes. They will likely own a first half of the draft type pick in 94. This team is built to compete now and into the future.

This is a very interesting league with lots of options and trading potential.

The general concept is the league started with the 1985 season as a franchise league with a twist. Each franchise could twist two players from 1985 plus two players from their 1970 franchise teams and two players from their 2000 franchise team. For example, the Twins originally twisted Ted Simmons, Rod Carew, Brad Radke, Bert Blyleven and Jim Kaat. All of the twists progress one year at a time with the rest of the players.

The full set of rules list is below. The key rules that makes this league unique are the rules related to future/past/twist players. Send me a sitemail if you have any questions.

RULES

• Draft: We draft to fill our rosters - if there are three openings, we draft three players.
• Rights to rookies: The rights to rookie players belong to the team which he first has WIS eligibility. For example, Charlie Hayes is a rookie in WIS in 1989 and shows up under both Philadelphia and San Francisco. However, his first WIS eligibility season was with Philadelphia as his SF season was a combined season (he only had 5 at bats with SF then was was traded to Philadelphia).
• Trading of rights to players: No trading of rights to players more than 1 year ahead starting in 1991. In the 1992 draft or season you can trade the rights to a player in 1993, but not the rights to a player in 1994. For example, the Atlanta franchise could not trade Javy Lopez (rookie in 94) during either the draft in 92 or the 92 season, but could trade him during the 93 draft or 93 season.
• Trading of draft picks: No trading of draft picks more than two years ahead. For example, during either the 1992 draft or season you can trade 1993 or 1994 picks, but not 1995 picks.
• Keepers relative to traded draft picks: For the 1992 draft and future, you must own the rights to a draft pick to trade it. For example, if you trade your 1st round pick in 93, then you must 24 have or fewer keepers for 93. If you trade your 2nd round pick, you must have 23 or fewer keepers. And so on. This is true even if you trade in the middle of the 1992 season. If you trade away your 3rd round pick in the middle of 92, you will only be able to have 22 keepers for 93. As an alternative to the above, if you traded your 3rd round pick during the season and you want to keep 23 players, you can provide a higher pick to the acquiring team (e.g., a 2nd round pick to replace the 3rd round pick).
• Trades: Trades of any players are permitted within the constraints above. The one exception is that you cannot trade for a clone on the same team (see clone rule below).
• Draft order: Draft order will be established at game 120 and will go from lowest to highest wins. For 1991 only, the wins minimum is 30 wins for top 3 pick. For 1992 and beyond, the wins minimum at game 120 is 40 to qualify for a top 3 pick.
• Draft order tie breaker picks: Tie breaker for draft picks is now least runs allowed and if still tied (unlikely) then most runs scored (gets higher pick) at game 120.
• Draft responsibilities:During the first round, a keeper is a keeper. If you see a veteran that is too good to be true, check the keepers list prior to selecting. If you select someone that was listed as a keeper, you will have to repick. In the second round, if someone selects a player that was a keeper and he was on the availables list, that player will go to the team that made the selection. So, the responsibility is that all owners must check to make sure their keepers have been removed from the availables list or be prepared to potentially lose a player. Waiting until the second round will give owners plenty of time to check their keepers.
• Future Rule Changes: Future rule changes will require a consensus of 10 or more owners voting affirmatively to approve such a rule change.
• Loopholes: The commissioner can amend rules to close off any unintended loopholes, as deemed by the commissioner. If the commish hears from 4 or more owners asking for such a loophole to be put to a vote, then it will go to a vote. If 10 or more owners vote down the loophole amendment provided by the commisioner, the loophole will remain open.
• Rosters: Unlimited players may be kept on IR until they have an eligible season.
• Future/Past/Twist players: These player progress one year at a time. Your players from the future will disappear when you reach their rookie season,(If they come up with your team only). Example-say I'm the Braves, and I bring back Chipper, if he is still playing, when you run into his rookie year in 1995, you must re start him as a rookie and lose the other Chipper. But if you're NYY and bring back Clemens, it won't matter when he comes up as a rookie with Boston, because he wont bump into himself. In the Chipper example given above, the Braves could trade Chipper in 1994 to get some value prior to bumping into himself.
• Future/Past players in the 2000 season: Before the 2000 season, you will go back to your team's 1975 season and grab 2 more guys, bring them back and go forward to 2015 and grab 2 guys from there as well, bring them all back to 2000. You can again start any of them at any point in time in their career and advance one year at a time. These future players have the same limitation as before, so choose carefully. For example, if the Giants choose Madison Bumgarner, they will lose him in 2009 when he enters the league with the Giants.
• Future/Past players in the 2010 and 2020 season: Before the 2010 season, you will go back to your team's 1965 season and grab 2 more guys, bring them back and go back to the 1990 season and grab 2 guys from there as well, and bring them all back to 2010. You can again start any of them at any point in time in their career and advance one year at a time. Before the 2020 season, you will be able to bring back two players from your team's rosters in 1980 and 1995. These players have the same limitation as before, so choose carefully.
• Clones: Clones are permitted in the league, but not on the same team. This is implied as noted above. As a point of clarification, you cannot trade to make clones or create a clone as a result of a trade. An example here is if the Yankees picked Arod in the 94 draft. They could not then twist him from their 2015 team and have a clone on the same team.
• Tanking: Tanking is not allowed - Any accusation of tanking will result in the Commissioner and several other long-time owners, who are not in the same division, examining the results and determining the punishment (if any). Punishments, to include expulsion from the league, are possible. Please make sure any removal of good players has a sufficient reason. You should not have your best player/pitchers not play very much through game 120 to get a better draft pick. You should field your best team possible.
• Stadiums: Stadiums are the stadium of your franchise. When the stadium changes for your franchise (Indians go to Jacobs Field in 94), the team may change to the new stadium. Once you change, you must stay in that stadium. You cannot flip back and forth.

The Basics

No WW, DH For all teams
4 AAA players will be drafted and may be used and may also be keepers in future seasons. WIS generated AAA are not permitted to be used.
Full or partial player seasons may be used.

The franchises we draft rookies from are:
Milwaukee
KC
Toronto
Seattle
Montreal
San Diego
Colorado
Florida

In 98 we add rookies from the Diamondbacks and Rays.

Duluth Brrs (name can be changed
(Minnesota Twins Franchise)
Looks like this team will draft early, likely between in the first half of the 94 draft (we are currently 60 games in). Listed below are all possible keepers. You do not have to keep any of them. This team has some good building blocks and some great rookie classes in the late 90s.

C - Ted Simmons 1980
C - Pat Borders
1B - Fred McGriff
1B - Rod Carew 1978
2B - Chuck Knoblauch
3B - Gary Gaetti
3B - Dave Hollins
SS - Greg Gagne
SS - Pat Meares
OF - Kirby Puckett
OF - Brett Butler
OF - Torii Hunter 2010
OF- Matt Mieske
OF- Andy Van Slyke

P - Bert Blyleven 1980
P - Kevin Tapini
P - Frank Viola
P - Mark Portugal
P - Jeff Reardon
P - Bud Black
P - Darren Holmes
P - Roberto Hernandez
P - Erik Hanson
P - Jim Kaat 1971
P - Brad Radke 2004

Upcoming highlights class of rookies from the Twins (you can keep others, I am just highlighting a few)
95 rookies- Latroy Hawkins, Brad Radke (starts over), Marty Cordova
98 rookies- Eric Milton, David Ortiz
99 rookies- Torii Hunter (starts over), Jacque Jones, Christian Guzman
00 rookies- Johann Santana, AJ Pierzynski

With both Hunter and Radke, you lose their twist seasons when their rookie seasons come up (no clones on the same team), but you can trade them to another team for value prior to their rookie season.

Franchises that are not currently in use and their rookies are available to draft are:

Montreal Expos
Toronto Blue Jays
Seattle Mariners
San Diego Padres
Kansas City Royals
Milwaukee Brewers

interesting concept - count me in - I'll take Portland if they are still available

Posted by royhobbs09 on 7/16/2020 12:23:00 PM (view original):
interesting concept - count me in - I'll take Portland if they are still available

You got them. They are pretty stacked. We're not quite to game 130, but I'll get you added to the forum and keep you informed. Thanks.

Fun concept and good group of owners!! Both teams left have some solid pieces as well. Come join the fun!!

Too many teams, but I like the sound of this... so Salt Lake please if you'll have me?

To help my understanding, how did they end up with Schilling and Sosa, presumably trades? Not complaining by the way!

I believe they were acquired via trade. A couple of very nice pieces for the future!!

If cpmitchno hasn't been in touch, I'm sure he will be soon!

Sorry for the delay. I was on vacation and missed this. Salt Lake is yours if you'd like them.

Grab the one remaining team while it is available. Off the clock draft starts on Thursday with Nashville (Texas franchise) owning the first selection of the draft.

I'll give Texas a go.

I am confused, however, as to why the Texas Rangers team has not restored A Rod for the last six years.

But to clarify, I can add someone from 2006 Rangers or 1976 Rangers, say Mark Teixieria and Bert Bylvelen, and roster them the rest of their career?

Also, for the rookie draft. Are we grabbing players that made their debuts or players that are rookie eligible?

One more question. If we grab someone older as a twist player. Let's Rafael Palmeiro- I just want to confirm, I get him again as a rookie when he retires even if debuted with someone else?

I think the confusion is that I included the original post. We are headed into the 1991 season. The twists listed are the only twists that you get until 2000. From here, you get the new rookies (WIS eligible) that started with the Rangers franchise. Your ongoing twists are Palmeiro (99), Blue (76), Hooton (81), and Tanana (81). When we get to the 2000 season, you can go back to 1975 and 2015 for your new twists. For example, 2015 twists could be Beltre, Cole Hamels, Prince Fielder and 75 twists could be Fergie Jenkins, Gaylord Perry, Toby Harrah, Jeff Burroughs, Roy Smalley.

For the rookie draft, you get all WIS eligible players that started with Texas.

Once a twisted player retires or is cut, he is gone from your team. No starting over for that player.

I'll answer your questions below:

I am confused, however, as to why the Texas Rangers team has not restored A Rod for the last six years.

But to clarify, I can add someone from 2006 Rangers or 1976 Rangers, say Mark Teixieria and Bert Bylvelen, and roster them the rest of their career?

No restoring. The original twists are it until 2000, as noted above. The answer to Tex and Blyleven is no.

One more question. If we grab someone older as a twist player. Let's Rafael Palmeiro- I just want to confirm, I get him again as a rookie when he retires even if debuted with someone else?

No, when he retires, he is gone.