Anyone else notice that we haven't seen many stories about businesses being looted recently? Or about violence from protesters?

It's because the reaction in Portland is due to graffiti and them taking down a ******* fence. But Trump supporters want them shot in the streets because one Target got looted in Minneapolis a month ago. Unfuckingbelievable.

6 protesters dying within years of the massive Ferguson protests is not a statistical anomaly. At all.

5 of them dying in suspicious circumstances, two of them dying in the exact same way (shot, car on fire)?

I don't know, dahs, there's definitely something fishy about this one. I'm not even sure how you could begin to argue that the government doesn't have suspicious intent in Portland.

Posted by all3 on 7/23/2020 10:05:00 AM (view original):
Wylie, not sure why you want to keep twisting what I said into something I clearly didn't mean. I lost family members in Concentration Camps because they were trying to hide Jews from the Nazis. In other words, my family died trying to protect yours. Certainly nothing I deserve any credit for, but you trying to twist my words is just total BS and is really starting to **** me off relative to this subject. PLEASE stay true to your word and stop responding to my posts, if twisting and assuming is going to be part of your response.

still not sure how I twisted the words concentration camps, that is some funny sheit. It may not be what you meant, but it is what you saiid. As far as twisting and s]assuming, any time anyone doesnt agree with a post of yours you accuse them of twisting, assuming, hating trump, or making up lies. Ever think maybe its your posts that are the problem. I also don't care if you get ****** off. Not even a little.

Posted by tangplay on 7/23/2020 12:07:00 PM (view original):
5 of them dying in suspicious circumstances, two of them dying in the exact same way (shot, car on fire)?

I don't know, dahs, there's definitely something fishy about this one. I'm not even sure how you could begin to argue that the government doesn't have suspicious intent in Portland.

Again, 3 suicides in 4.5 years out of thousands of protesters is not suspicious. Viewing it as suspicious is just a product of the natural tendency of the human mind to fit random events into patterns.

The car killings (and attempted killings) are suspicious. They may, as the article suggests, be perpetrated by white supremacists. But that's really not relevant to your allegations that DHS, or any other arm of the Federal government is targeting protesters ex post facto. Even the article you posted doesn't suggest any involvement on the part of the government. That feels like a far-out conspiracy theory. It seems a lot more like any post-Ferguson murders are totally unrelated to events in Portland.

Saying "three suicides out of thousands of protesters" is a bit disingenuous, no? Everyone who died was a fairly prominent member or organizer of the protests. They weren't random people. All I'm saying is that it's not out of the question, especially with what the DHS is doing in Portland. I'm going to watch what happens to organizers after these protests. If more of them mysteriously start getting killed, we should know that something is up.

By the way, I don't think it's a stretch to say that Trump's going to crack down on protesters even harder if he wins a second term. His entire base is for it. They want blood in the streets.

You don't even have to do any interpretation or stretching of the demands. Trump's base wants "communists" and "antifa" killed.

Well, that's kinda the same argument as all3 is making in pointing out that a lot of Biden's voting base want free college education and open borders...

I would argue that the difference is that polling disagrees with all3 (and Biden has stated outright that he disagrees with those positions), while you won't find hardcore proof on my claim. I admit that I don't have polling on the issue. When I said that "his entire base is for it," I'm arguing that no one is switching their vote away from Trump if he starts outright killing protesters.

The "moderate" Republicans have already left Trump's base. It's just the crazies at this point. Biden has the moderate Republicans on his side. Does anyone honestly believe that John Kasich would support Biden if Biden supported open borders?

Posted by wylie715 on 7/23/2020 12:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 7/23/2020 10:05:00 AM (view original):
Wylie, not sure why you want to keep twisting what I said into something I clearly didn't mean. I lost family members in Concentration Camps because they were trying to hide Jews from the Nazis. In other words, my family died trying to protect yours. Certainly nothing I deserve any credit for, but you trying to twist my words is just total BS and is really starting to **** me off relative to this subject. PLEASE stay true to your word and stop responding to my posts, if twisting and assuming is going to be part of your response.

still not sure how I twisted the words concentration camps, that is some funny sheit. It may not be what you meant, but it is what you saiid. As far as twisting and s]assuming, any time anyone doesnt agree with a post of yours you accuse them of twisting, assuming, hating trump, or making up lies. Ever think maybe its your posts that are the problem. I also don't care if you get ****** off. Not even a little.

So, basically you don't give a damn about the truth. Good to know. Thanks for clarifying. NOW are you done responding to my posts?

Posted by tangplay on 7/23/2020 2:45:00 PM (view original):
I would argue that the difference is that polling disagrees with all3 (and Biden has stated outright that he disagrees with those positions), while you won't find hardcore proof on my claim. I admit that I don't have polling on the issue. When I said that "his entire base is for it," I'm arguing that no one is switching their vote away from Trump if he starts outright killing protesters.

The "moderate" Republicans have already left Trump's base. It's just the crazies at this point. Biden has the moderate Republicans on his side. Does anyone honestly believe that John Kasich would support Biden if Biden supported open borders?

I think your views here are influenced from your perch off to the left of center. The reality is that a lot of moderate conservatives are still going to pinch their noses and vote for Trump. And they won't if he starts ordering Federal officers to round up or kill peaceful protesters. I know a lot of these people. The statement that "Biden has the moderate Republicans on his side" needs a massive qualifier. Like maybe "a healthy minority of the moderate Republicans." Trump's going to get at least 35% of the vote as things stand now, probably at least 40%. White nationalists don't comprise 35-40% of the voting population.

Posted by all3 on 7/23/2020 2:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 7/23/2020 12:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 7/23/2020 10:05:00 AM (view original):
Wylie, not sure why you want to keep twisting what I said into something I clearly didn't mean. I lost family members in Concentration Camps because they were trying to hide Jews from the Nazis. In other words, my family died trying to protect yours. Certainly nothing I deserve any credit for, but you trying to twist my words is just total BS and is really starting to **** me off relative to this subject. PLEASE stay true to your word and stop responding to my posts, if twisting and assuming is going to be part of your response.

still not sure how I twisted the words concentration camps, that is some funny sheit. It may not be what you meant, but it is what you saiid. As far as twisting and s]assuming, any time anyone doesnt agree with a post of yours you accuse them of twisting, assuming, hating trump, or making up lies. Ever think maybe its your posts that are the problem. I also don't care if you get ****** off. Not even a little.

So, basically you don't give a damn about the truth. Good to know. Thanks for clarifying. NOW are you done responding to my posts?

Nope..it seems to annoy you so I will keep doing it. What truth is it you are referring to? The truth in your posts? Haven't seen much of that.

Posted by tangplay on 7/23/2020 2:27:00 PM (view original):
Saying "three suicides out of thousands of protesters" is a bit disingenuous, no? Everyone who died was a fairly prominent member or organizer of the protests. They weren't random people. All I'm saying is that it's not out of the question, especially with what the DHS is doing in Portland. I'm going to watch what happens to organizers after these protests. If more of them mysteriously start getting killed, we should know that something is up.

Maybe you know more than I do. All I know is what the article you posted said. And the descriptions of the persons who have died do not suggest that they were prominent leaders in the protests; they sounds much closer to a random group of participants. I'm pretty sure for a few of them it just said they were "active in" protests.

That said, if what you claim here is correct then I will concede that it smells a lot fishier. Basically, the relevant question is how many people were involved in Ferguson protests at a similar level as the people committing suicide. Without other information, it still sounds to me from the Chicago Tribune article that the answer is at least a 4-figure number, probably a 5-figure number.

In which case, 3 suicides is still not a statistical outlier.

Darren Seals (one of the people shot and killed after Ferguson) was a prominent activist in the protests - he was in a popular video confronting the mother of Michael Brown after the grand jury chose not to indict Darren Wilson, and was a leading member of the protest movement. The people killed weren't just random figures. If it was a four-figure number, I'd agree. It seems to be a lot lower, though.

For another example, Edward Crawford Jr., one of the people who died by suicide, was pictured in a famous photograph from the protests where he threw a gas canister back at police.

I think it's plausible that attacks are being done by white supremacists, and not police (although numerous FBI reports have shown that for years, white supremacists have infiltrated police departments, and the police have historical roots in catching runaway slaves and protecting rich capital, but I digress).

In that case, it certainly doesn't help that you have people like Andy Ngo publishing literal kill lists of antifa protesters in Portland to his racist audience. Either way, this is bad.