Does anyone know the method WIS uses to check for alias accounts? I know they look at the IP address if a complaint is made, but if that is all they are looking at, it isn't enough. They need to be proactive and not wait for a complaint. With cell phones and mobile networks the way they are today, it is not uncommon to have multiple ip addresses per household. Now I understand that multiple players (ie father/son or roommates) may share a residence and thus an ip address, but a commissioner needs to know that in order to watch for collusion. WIS needs to at least check credit card history and cross reference it with the physical address of the card holder. Something needs to be done. There are too many brand new owners showing up, trading their talent to certain veteran owners, and then disappearing, leaving the team in ruins. I figured that the merger with Sportshub would alleviate these issues since Sportshub consistently deals with financial wagering. Comments?

I have only seen one trade like this in a league I was in. They are fairly easy to spot and veto.

I have not seen this yet in an obvious way in my leagues but if it's ever going to happen, it's when you can sign a new alias up and play first season for free.

What I have seen is people registering a new alias to take advantage of the free season and taking over teams from their old alias. Not a huge fan of it because of the possibility of cheating it presents, but I understand.

The guy I saw had multiple teams under each name and played in the same world with them. He traded the worlds best young pitcher and 2 good players to himself for 3 ml guys that were ok but just high ovr average players. It was his only trade. I called it out.

Based on my experience, WIS just checks IP and that's it.

Three guys come to mind in my experience.

1. User1 (Sitemail me for the user name) -- we had several openings in our World and invited him and some of his "buddies" to the private world and it seemed pretty cool at first. He was active, personable and just wanted to trade. It soon became a situation where multiple owners complained about his trades with some of his "buddies". They were lopsided trades that needed to be vetoed. It was frustrating -- it put owners on edge because they were forced to look at every trade like a hawk when he was involved. It just made that season less fun due to all the extra drama. Let alone all the extra trade chats and trade offers that would be waiting for you every time you logged on. It was like HBD was the only thing this guy had going on in his life. The commish entered a ticket to check if he was using an Alias, but WIS said he wasn't due to separate ip addresses. The trades continued for a bit until he finally left the World near the 3/4 mark of the season. His "buddies" didn't stick around for the next season either. We found out about half way through the season that there were similar "trading with is buddies" allegations in the last World that he was in. He also joined at least one other World after leaving ours and from what I hear, it didn't go well there for him there either.

2. User2 (Sitemail me for the user name) -- when I first moved to a second World, we had a guy in the World that was obsessed with trading. As soon as a player was traded, he would trade chat you and ask you if you would flip the guy you just acquired to him. This guy was just absolutely insane! He took over a juggernaut team that was setup for the long haul and just ran the payroll up with his trades. He was eventually replaced near the end of the season after multiple owners found out that he was paying people real money to make lopsided trades that favored his team. The sad part is that if he just left it alone, he probably would have won a championship or two.

3. User3 (Sitemail me for the user name) -- if I am not mistaken, previous to User2 taking over the above referenced organization, User3 ran it and people were in awe of his record and how he built the organization. Not sure why they were in such awe. When you go back and look at how he built his team, he did lopsided trades with users that are no longer playing HBD or users that have a winning record of below .470. Nonetheless, from a record and championship perspective, he did quite well for a handful of seasons in the World. After he left the World, he took a few seasons off, then rejoined the World. He took over a team that made it to game 7 of the World Series in the previous season and ended up winning another title to add to his impressive user record. Along the way, there was at least one trade [with a brand new owner] that the World had to veto and there were many trade offers he sent me and some other owners where I trade him my best players for three career minor league players. He also traded away the World's best young CF and centerpiece of the organization simply because the player was underperforming during the season. The trade fetched him some veteran players that rounded out his team and help him win the title that season. He left the World right after the season was over. The guy was an absolute pain to deal with because when you challenged him about his behavior, he just pointed to his record and told you that you had a pocket full of sour grapes. It turns out that there are many allegations surrounding this user over the years. The consensus is that at best, he is a cherry picker that only takes over a team that is near championship ready, then adds more talent to the team by blowing up the player payroll or emptying the farm system to acquire veteran talent that will help him win now. Then after a successful run through the playoffs for a season or two, he leaves the World. However, at worst, the guy is a cheater who does all of the above, but also runs an alias team for a few seasons in a World, tanks and builds up a collection of great players, then either trades those players to his real user id or leaves the World with his alias user id and takes over the team that has the collection of players with is real user id. This guy is still active and you can see that despite having a W-L record of above 65 percent, he has a measly 3.333 average amount of time in a World.

If you have a chance to play with any of these guys, take a pass.

I can almost guarantee I know who #3 is. Both he and his former alias had my current team in Alexander. Destroyed it with awful contracts.

i’ll give him this it takes talent to continually find open teams primed for success like that.

Posted by friarboy on 7/31/2020 9:22:00 PM (view original):
I can almost guarantee I know who #3 is. Both he and his former alias had my current team in Alexander. Destroyed it with awful contracts.

i’ll give him this it takes talent to continually find open teams primed for success like that.

If you're patient, you can find teams that are primed for success.
Veteran owners can spot the difference between a good owner and the illusion of a good owner.

#3 sounds like peoria. He is the biggest cherry picker in HBD.

Posted by horvie78 on 7/31/2020 11:44:00 PM (view original):
#3 sounds like peoria. He is the biggest cherry picker in HBD.

I don't have much experience with that owner.

I am not a fan of the cherry picking owner. I don't think it's that impressive that you can take another man's team and win with it. However, if cherry picking is the only allegation, it isn't that bad. It's when the owner starts racking up other allegations on top of the cherry picking that I have a problem with.

1. If the cherry picker takes over a team, trades all assets in the teams farm, blows up the Organization's player payroll, then leaves the World shortly after, then that is a D move;

2. If the cherry picker has a bunch of lopsided trades with owners that have little hbd experience, that brings up additional red flags as well;

3. If the owner previous to the cherry picker had little hbd experience, but somehow acquired five of the best twelve prospects in the World over a handful of seasons and just left the World for no reason, that brings up more red flags.

I am not trying to be the righteous soap box guy here, but I put a lot of time and commitment into running my teams. For these Dbags to come in and do some shady crap like the above is the worst part of the game. Good Worlds can prevent stuff like this from happening, but it takes a committed commissioner and a good group of owners to keep it going.

Posted by tlowster on 7/31/2020 7:19:00 PM (view original):
Based on my experience, WIS just checks IP and that's it.

Three guys come to mind in my experience.

1. User1 (Sitemail me for the user name) -- we had several openings in our World and invited him and some of his "buddies" to the private world and it seemed pretty cool at first. He was active, personable and just wanted to trade. It soon became a situation where multiple owners complained about his trades with some of his "buddies". They were lopsided trades that needed to be vetoed. It was frustrating -- it put owners on edge because they were forced to look at every trade like a hawk when he was involved. It just made that season less fun due to all the extra drama. Let alone all the extra trade chats and trade offers that would be waiting for you every time you logged on. It was like HBD was the only thing this guy had going on in his life. The commish entered a ticket to check if he was using an Alias, but WIS said he wasn't due to separate ip addresses. The trades continued for a bit until he finally left the World near the 3/4 mark of the season. His "buddies" didn't stick around for the next season either. We found out about half way through the season that there were similar "trading with is buddies" allegations in the last World that he was in. He also joined at least one other World after leaving ours and from what I hear, it didn't go well there for him there either.

2. User2 (Sitemail me for the user name) -- when I first moved to a second World, we had a guy in the World that was obsessed with trading. As soon as a player was traded, he would trade chat you and ask you if you would flip the guy you just acquired to him. This guy was just absolutely insane! He took over a juggernaut team that was setup for the long haul and just ran the payroll up with his trades. He was eventually replaced near the end of the season after multiple owners found out that he was paying people real money to make lopsided trades that favored his team. The sad part is that if he just left it alone, he probably would have won a championship or two.

3. User3 (Sitemail me for the user name) -- if I am not mistaken, previous to User2 taking over the above referenced organization, User3 ran it and people were in awe of his record and how he built the organization. Not sure why they were in such awe. When you go back and look at how he built his team, he did lopsided trades with users that are no longer playing HBD or users that have a winning record of below .470. Nonetheless, from a record and championship perspective, he did quite well for a handful of seasons in the World. After he left the World, he took a few seasons off, then rejoined the World. He took over a team that made it to game 7 of the World Series in the previous season and ended up winning another title to add to his impressive user record. Along the way, there was at least one trade [with a brand new owner] that the World had to veto and there were many trade offers he sent me and some other owners where I trade him my best players for three career minor league players. He also traded away the World's best young CF and centerpiece of the organization simply because the player was underperforming during the season. The trade fetched him some veteran players that rounded out his team and help him win the title that season. He left the World right after the season was over. The guy was an absolute pain to deal with because when you challenged him about his behavior, he just pointed to his record and told you that you had a pocket full of sour grapes. It turns out that there are many allegations surrounding this user over the years. The consensus is that at best, he is a cherry picker that only takes over a team that is near championship ready, then adds more talent to the team by blowing up the player payroll or emptying the farm system to acquire veteran talent that will help him win now. Then after a successful run through the playoffs for a season or two, he leaves the World. However, at worst, the guy is a cheater who does all of the above, but also runs an alias team for a few seasons in a World, tanks and builds up a collection of great players, then either trades those players to his real user id or leaves the World with his alias user id and takes over the team that has the collection of players with is real user id. This guy is still active and you can see that despite having a W-L record of above 65 percent, he has a measly 3.333 average amount of time in a World.

If you have a chance to play with any of these guys, take a pass.

As a commish of two worlds, I would appreciate a quick sitemail with the names of these three owners so that I know who to avoid when recruiting.