War of the Franchises Draft Thread Topic

We will use this thread for our league draft.

Reminder of league rules:
Here’s how this will work. For the purposes of this league, I am dividing every franchise in baseball history, going back to 1885, into three groups.

Group 1 – The original franchises. These are the 16 current teams with the longest histories. For most of the 20th century, these were the teams that made up all of MLB prior to expansion in 1961. All of them date back to 1903 or earlier.

Group 2 – The “early” expansion franchises. These are the 8 teams that joined the major leagues between 1961 and 1969.

Group 3 – The “late” expansion franchises, and the defunct franchises. These are the teams that joined the major leagues between 1977 and 1998, along with some 19th century teams that no longer exist.

There are some franchises I am leaving out. Any franchises that have fewer than 5 seasons in the SLB database are excluded. This includes all of the 1914-15 Federal League and 1890 Player’s League, as well as a bunch of short-lived 19th century teams, and the 1901-02 Baltimore Orioles. None of them are included.

Please note – if you join this league, I expect you to be VERY familiar with franchise histories, or at least willing to put in the work. There is an excellent thread here that summarizes each franchise’s lineage, or you can use baseball-reference.com as your guide.
7/26/2020 6:41 AM
Rules:
  1. We will have a 5 round draft. An owner who is not part of our league will generate a random draft order for us. In each round you must pick a 5-year period of a specific franchise (for example, 1981-85 Royals or 1899-1903 Braves or 2015-19 Rays). Your 5 seasons must be consecutive.
  2. Each 5-year franchise period is exclusive. If I pick the 2015-19 Rays, no one else can pick any 5 year period of the Rays that includes ANY of those seasons. So someone else could pick 2010-14 Rays, but 2011-15 Rays would NOT be allowed.
Straightforward so far? Good, glad you’re still here. But we’re just getting started.

3. At the end of the 5 rounds, the following must be true for each owner:
  • You must have chosen 5 different franchises (you can’t have 2 Yankees or 2 Rockies, etc.)
  • You must have 2 from group 1, 2 from group 2, and 1 from group 3.
  • You must have 5 different, completely non-overlapping, 5-year periods.
Please read and re-read those three requirements as often as necessary

4. So you will have 5 sets of franchise-seasons from which to build your final roster. And that’s the final catch: you must roster exactly 1 player from each of the 25 franchise-seasons you chose in the draft.

5. To reduce the “luck of the draw” in getting a high first round pick, the draft will proceed as follows: 1-24, 24-1, 24-1, 1-24, 24-1. So teams that get a late first round pick will draft early in rounds 2, 3, and 5. Please only join this league if you are comfortable with this drafting scheme.

6. If at any time an owner makes a drafting mistake, that pick will immediately be invalid, and that owner will drop to the end of the current round. What qualifies as a drafting mistake? Anything that doesn’t comply with the above rules. For example, you draft a franchise you’ve already selected, or you draft a 3rd franchise from group 2, or you draft a 5-season period that overlaps with a period you’ve already drafted, or you post a 6-season run (2014-19) instead of a 5-season run (2015-19).

7. I don’t know if this is even possible, but just in case. In the event that an owner gets boxed into a corner and is unable to make a 5th round selection that complies with the above rules, in lieu of a 5th franchise you will be required to roster 5 players (totaling at least $10M in salary) from the 1899 Cleveland Spiders. So draft carefully.

120M
No AAA, WW, trades, clones, DH
24 teams, standard WIS random alignment
Injuries will be on – be sure to draft enough PA and IP
Your park will need to be one used by one of your teams during the 5-year period that you chose for them.
7/26/2020 8:56 PM (edited)
I will update this post throughout the draft to reflect those franchise-seasons that are still available

Group 1 - Franchise Seasons Available
Braves 1885-1994; 2000-2019
Cardinals 1891-1942; 1948-1971; 1977-2019
Cubs 1885-1902; 1913-2014
Dodgers 1885-1946; 1957-1961; 1967-2006
Giants 1890-1914; 1920-1932; 1938-1963; 1969-2019
Phillies 1885-1890; 1896-1924; 1930-2019
Pirates 1885-1904; 1910-1918; 1924-1930; 1936-2019
Reds 1885-1971; 1977-1991; 1997-2019
A’s 1901-1906; 1917-1926; 1932-1986; 1992-2019
Indians 1918-1967; 1973-1994; 2000-2019
Orioles 1901-1963; 1969-2019
Red Sox 1901-1911; 1917-1938; 1944-1975; 1981-1997; 2003-2019
Tigers 1901-2019
Twins 1901-2003; 2009-2019
White Sox 1901-05; 1911-1915; 1921-1962; 1968-2019
Yankees 1903-1926; 1932-1936; 1942-1972; 1988-2019

Group 2 - Franchise Seasons Available
Angels 1973-1978; 1991-1999; 2010-2019
Astros 1962-1967; 2006-2014
Brewers 1969-1977; 1997-2006
Mets 1962-1968; 1974-1978; 1989-1995
Nationals 1969-1976
Padres 1969-1989; 2000-2004
Rangers 1961-1973; 1985-1996;
Royals 1969-1976; 1994-2002; 2008-2012

Group 3 - Franchise Seasons Available
Blue Jays 1977-1982; 1994-1999
Mariners 1977-1986
Diamondbacks 2013-2019
Rays 1998-2007
Marlins 1993-1998; 2009-2014
Rockies 2008-2019
Orioles 1885-1893
Spiders 1887-1891
Colonels 1892-1899
Athletics CLOSED
Senators 1891-1899

Again, I expect everyone to know their franchise histories. So the Orioles in Group 1 includes the 1901 Milwaukee Brewers, the 1902-53 St. Louis Browns, and the 1954-2019 Baltimore Orioles. They do NOT include the 1901-02 Baltimore Orioles (a defunct franchise that is not part of this league) or the 19th century Baltimore Orioles (a defunct franchise that is in group 3.) If anyone is confused by the exact definition of any of these franchises, and can't figure it out from baseball-reference.com or from the thread linked in the first post above, please either sitemail me or post here asking for clarification.
8/4/2020 4:09 PM (edited)
Interested Owners:
1. contrarian23
2. thejuice6
3. fatguyrd
4. chargingryno
5. SAKABAKBRG
6. Jtpsops
7. schwarze
8. footballmm11
9. Scott1967
10. DuckyMedwick
11. mjkrunner
12. winnetka1
13. redwingscup
14. italyprof
15. calhoop
16. fatboydad54
17. dmoss
18. ybjsports
19. BCBSMA
20. tridentric
21. MrSafety61
22. Vindex24
23. vilefileman
24. big_dowg


Sitemail list:
contrarian23; thejuice6; fatguyrd; chargingryno; SAKABAKBRG; jtpsops; schwarze; footballmm11; Scott1967; DuckyMedwick; mjkrunner; winnetka1; redwingscup; italyprof; calhoop; fatboydad54; dmoss; ybjsports; BCBSMA; MrSafety61; Vindex24; vilefileman; tridentric; big_dowg
7/26/2020 6:43 AM
DoctorKz generated the following order for us:

Here is your sequence:

7 12 6 21 22 11 15 13 14 16 8 9 17 18 24 2 5 3 19 23 4 20 1 10

Timestamp: 2020-07-26 12:05:29 UTC

So round 1 (and round 4) will be in this order:
schwarze
winnetka1
Jtpsops
MrSafety61
Vindex24
mjkrunner
calhoop
redwingscup
italyprof
fatboydad54
footballmm11
Scott1967
dmoss
ybjsports
big_dowg
thejuice6
SAKABAKBRG
fatguyrd
BCBSMA
vilefileman
chargingryno
tridentric
contrarian23
DuckyMedwick

Rounds 2, 3, and 5 will be the reverse

7/26/2020 8:22 AM (edited)
Round 1
Owner Franchise Seasons
schwarze 1894-98 Orioles
winnetka1 1903-07 Cubs
Jtpsops 1907-11 Indians
MrSafety61 1999-03 Diamondbacks
Vindex24 1906-10 White Sox
mjkrunner 1886-90 Cardinals
calhoop 1992-96 Mariners
redwingscup 1915-19 Giants
italyprof 1962-66 Dodgers
fatboydad54 1997-2001 Mariners
footballmm11 2015-19 Nationals
Scott1967 1892-96 Spiders
dmoss 2013-17 Dodgers
ybjsports 1886-90 Athletics
big_dowg 1995-99 Braves
thejuice6 1902-06 Indians
SAKABAKBRG 1976-80 Red Sox
fatguyrd 1891-95 Phillies
BCBSMA 1978-82 Brewers
vilefileman 1996-2000 Rockies
chargingryno 1905-09 Pirates
tridentric 2015-19 Astros
contrarian23 1885-89 Giants
DuckyMedwick 1912-16 Red Sox
Round 2
Owner Franchise Seasons
DuckyMedwick 1989-93 Blue Jays
contrarian23 2009-13 Rangers
tridentric 1995-99 Indians
chargingryno 1927-31 Yankees
vilefileman 1908-12 Cubs
BCBSMA 1968-72 Astros
fatguyrd 2003-07 Rockies
SAKABAKBRG 1907-11 A's
thejuice6 1998-2002 Red Sox
big_dowg INVALID
ybjsports 2001-05 Astros
dmoss 2008-12 Rays
Scott1967 1964-68 Giants
footballmm11 1997-2001 Rangers
fatboydad54 2015-19 Cubs
italyprof 1969-73 Mets
redwingscup 1999-2003 Marlins
calhoop 1916-20 White Sox
mjkrunner 1919-23 Pirates
Vindex24 2013-17 Blue Jays
MrSafety61 1982-86 Astros
Jtpsops 1995-99 Padres
winnetka1 1887-91 Colonels
schwarze 1963-67 White Sox
big_dowg 2000-04 Blue Jays
Round 3
Owner Franchise Seasons
DuckyMedwick 1952-56 Dodgers
contrarian23 1972-76 Reds
tridentric 2003-07 Mariners
chargingryno 1996-2000 Nationals
vilefileman 1968-72 Indians
BCBSMA 2014-18 Mariners
fatguyrd 1984-88 Mets
SAKABAKBRG 2013-17 Royals
thejuice6 2015-19 Padres
big_dowg 1933-37 Giants
ybjsports 1983-87 Nationals
dmoss 1996-2000 Mets
Scott1967 2005-09 Mets
footballmm11 2007-11 Dodgers
fatboydad54 2004-08 Twins
italyprof 1983-87 Yankees
redwingscup 1943-47 Cardinals
calhoop 1927-31 A's
mjkrunner 2010-14 Mets
Vindex24 1996-2000 Astros
MrSafety61 1987-91 A's
Jtpsops 2008-12 Blue Jays
winnetka1 1977-81 Nationals
schwarze 1989-93 Royals
Round 4
Owner Franchise Seasons
schwarze 1979-83 Angels
winnetka1 1912-16 A's
Jtpsops 2015-19 Mets
MrSafety61 1977-81 Royals
Vindex24 1937-41 Yankees
mjkrunner 1980-84 Rangers
calhoop 2010-14 Padres
redwingscup 2005-09 Padres
italyprof INVALID
fatboydad54 1987-91 Brewers
footballmm11 1983-87 Blue Jays
Scott1967 2000-04 Angels
dmoss 1990-94 Padres
ybjsports 1913-17 Indians
big_dowg 2015-19 Brewers
thejuice6 1977-81 Astros
SAKABAKBRG 1991-95 Nationals
fatguyrd 1961-65 Angels
BCBSMA 1973-77 Yankees
vilefileman 2014-18 Rangers
chargingryno 1968-72 Angels
tridentric 1974-78 Rangers
contrarian23 1991-95 Astros
DuckyMedwick 2005-09 Angels
italyprof 2008-12 Mariners
Round 5
Owner Franchise Seasons
DuckyMedwick 2010-14 Nationals
contrarian23 2004-08 Marlins
tridentric 1964-68 Orioles
chargingryno 2014-18 Rays
vilefileman 1986-90 Angels
BCBSMA 1925-29 Phillies
fatguyrd 1972-76 Cardinals
SAKABAKBRG 2008-12 Diamondbacks
thejuice6 1987-91 Mariners
big_dowg 1979-83 Mets
ybjsports 1931-35 Pirates
dmoss 1978-82 Yankees
Scott1967 1947-51 Dodgers
footballmm11 1939-43 Red Sox
fatboydad54 1982-86 Royals
italyprof 2003-07 Royals
redwingscup 1992-96 Brewers
calhoop 2004-08 Nationals
mjkrunner 2015-19 Marlins
Vindex24 2007-11 Brewers
MrSafety61 1992-96 Reds
Jtpsops
winnetka1 2002-06 Rangers
schwarze
8/4/2020 4:08 PM (edited)
We'll use this chart to track each owner's overall progress:
Owner Group 1 - Franchise 1 Group 1 - Franchise 2 Group 2 - Franchise 1 Group 2 - Franchise 2 Group 3
schwarze 1963-67 White Sox 1989-93 Royals 1979-83 Angels 1894-98 Orioles
winnetka1 1903-07 Cubs 1912-16 A's 1977-81 Nationals 2002-06 Rangers 1887-91 Colonels
Jtpsops 1907-11 Indians 1995-99 Padres 2015-19 Mets 2008-12 Blue Jays
MrSafety61 1987-91 A's 1992-96 Reds 1982-86 Astros 1977-81 Royals 1999-03 Diamondbacks
Vindex24 1906-10 White Sox 1937-41 Yankees 1996-2000 Astros 2007-11 Brewers 2013-17 Blue Jays
mjkrunner 1886-90 Cardinals 1919-23 Pirates 2010-14 Mets 1980-84 Rangers 2015-19 Marlins
calhoop 1916-20 White Sox 1927-31 A's 2010-14 Padres 2004-08 Nationals 1992-96 Mariners
redwingscup 1915-19 Giants 1943-47 Cardinals 2005-09 Padres 1992-96 Brewers 1999-2003 Marlins
italyprof 1962-66 Dodgers 1983-87 Yankees 1969-73 Mets 2003-07 Royals 2008-12 Mariners
fatboydad54 2015-19 Cubs 2004-08 Twins 1987-91 Brewers 1982-86 Royals 1997-2001 Mariners
footballmm11 2007-11 Dodgers 1939-43 Red Sox 2015-19 Nationals 1997-2001 Rangers 1983-87 Blue Jays
Scott1967 1964-68 Giants 1947-51 Dodgers 2005-09 Mets 2000-04 Angels 1892-96 Spiders
dmoss 2013-17 Dodgers 1978-82 Yankees 1996-2000 Mets 1990-94 Padres 2008-12 Rays
ybjsports 1913-17 Indians 1931-35 Pirates 2001-05 Astros 1983-87 Nationals 1886-90 Athletics
big_dowg 1995-99 Braves 1933-37 Giants 2015-19 Brewers 1979-83 Mets 2000-04 Blue Jays
thejuice6 1902-06 Indians 1998-2002 Red Sox 2015-19 Padres 1977-81 Astros 1987-91 Mariners
SAKABAKBRG 1976-80 Red Sox 1907-11 A's 2013-17 Royals 1991-95 Nationals 2008-12 Diamondbacks
fatguyrd 1891-95 Phillies 1972-76 Cardinals 1984-88 Mets 1961-65 Angels 2003-07 Rockies
BCBSMA 1973-77 Yankees 1925-29 Phillies 1978-82 Brewers 1968-72 Astros 2014-18 Mariners
vilefileman 1908-12 Cubs 1968-72 Indians 2014-18 Rangers 1986-90 Angels 1996-2000 Rockies
chargingryno 1905-09 Pirates 1927-31 Yankees 1996-2000 Nationals 1968-72 Angels 2014-18 Rays
tridentric 1995-99 Indians 1964-68 Orioles 2015-19 Astros 1974-78 Rangers 2003-07 Mariners
contrarian23 1885-89 Giants 1972-76 Reds 2009-13 Rangers 1991-95 Astros 2004-08 Marlins
DuckyMedwick 1912-16 Red Sox 1952-56 Dodgers 2005-09 Angels 2010-14 Nationals 1989-93 Blue Jays
8/4/2020 4:08 PM (edited)
We'll kick things off early this morning. Instead of taking one of the obvious deadball pitching teams, let's have some fun while also getting that pesky Group 3 team out of the way.. Hopefully, there will be some pitching left after the next 46 selections get taken.

Group 3
1894-98 Baltimore Orioles
7/26/2020 9:54 AM
No nuance in my pick.
1903-1907 Chicago Cubs
7/26/2020 10:24 AM
I won’t be able to pick until 1230 EST.
7/26/2020 10:54 AM
Hey it'd be appreciated if you didn't pick my #1 choice. K thanks.
7/26/2020 11:45 AM
This is agonizing, especially knowing how long it'll be until my next pick. I really want to knock off a Group 2 or 3 franchise, but we'll go with:

1907-1911 Indians
7/26/2020 1:23 PM
Arizona Diamondbacks 1999-2003 (GROUP III)
7/26/2020 1:59 PM
Chicago White Sox 1906 - 1910
7/26/2020 2:05 PM
Yep, Cubs & White Sox were my other two choices.
7/26/2020 2:18 PM
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