Yesterday at 5pm Wooden started recruit period 2 and I had put 60 AP's on a transfer. I was ahead with my B+ prestige at 5pm and an A- prestige was 2nd. I was close to being able to offer a scholly but could not but I kept the 60 ap's on him.I woke up at 2:30am to check and found that I was rated Low and the A- was Very High with an offered scholly. HOW could someone in 2nd place in consideration be able to offer a scholly and whatever else it took at to change it like that at 11pm?????

If I had to guess.....

Your first cycle, 60 AP, and did not unlock anything. But maybe you had better preferences so you led by an inch.

His first cycle, 80 AP. Unlocked scholarship, and because of his prestige, unlocked HV barely right at the 100% mark.

Cycle 2 for you, more AP
Cycle 2 for him.... da bomb

Are you sure you were ahead? Assuming you were at moderate after the first cycle, was the other guy at low or very low? If that’s true, it is a head scratcher that he was able to offer a scholarship from there, that shouldn’t have been the case.

But if you were both listed as moderate under considering, you weren’t ahead. If multiple teams are listed as moderate, the order they fall under the considering tab doesn’t matter.

I don't remember the ratings, just the order but apparently that doesn't matter. I would have done something else if I'd known. I'm a little bitter right now but thank you both for the information.

Did you do any Home Visits?

Yeah, it can be tough with RS2 transfers, they move fast, every cycle counts. Knowledge is key. At B+, 60 AP is often enough to unlock the scholarship in one cycle, but if he wasn’t an ideal preference match, maybe a couple bads or a very bad, it might have taken you something like 63. Like you said, you were close. At B+ in D1 I can’t imagine you’d be very far away after 60, unless many preferences went against you.

Anyway, your rivals prestige (And maybe better preference match) was enough to unlock a scholarship right away, whatever they spent. And after offering a scholarship, that total effort was enough to send you to low consideration after 2 cycles of just AP. Now if he hadn’t signed yet, you could offer the scholarship, and you might be able to do visits too at that point, and reasonably get back in the race. Because unless your rival has a significant preference advantage over you, there’s no reason they should be able to shut you out *unless* the timing of the recruit’s signing is such that he does not wait for you to catch up to the delay caused by the tiny discrepancy of you being on the wrong side of his considering cusp after one cycle. These transfer recruits are fast moving, high stakes, and pretty fun, I think. But yeah they can be frustrating as hell too.

I didn't pay too much attention to that guy but I think I remember seeing both of you at Moderate. When schools are at the same interest level they are listed alphabetically, so Dayton will always be listed above Indiana when both are at moderate.

Interestingly, this recruit transferred out of Indiana due to a broken promise and now it looks like he's heading back to Bloomington for round 2.

Posted by mrslam34 on 8/4/2020 12:29:00 PM (view original):
I didn't pay too much attention to that guy but I think I remember seeing both of you at Moderate. When schools are at the same interest level they are listed alphabetically, so Dayton will always be listed above Indiana when both are at moderate.

Interestingly, this recruit transferred out of Indiana due to a broken promise and now it looks like he's heading back to Bloomington for round 2.

I've never really paid attention to this before, but HD let's you sign back your own transfers?

There's no way Indiana's previous recruiting effort would carry over, right? From when they first recruited & signed him?

I assume this is Don Jones on pallas' Indiana team in Wooden?

Strange that the recruiting team page doesn't list Don Jones as one of his recruits that has signed though.

All RS2 transfers only ever have two preferences: Wants to Play and Late signing (obviously).

beachhouse- Thanks but no home visits for me- 60 AP's didn't qualify me for them. Thanks mrslam for "When schools are at the same interest level they are listed alphabetically, so Dayton will always be listed above Indiana when both are at moderate." Thanks for the info topdog & shoe3. Wish there was a place where we could look up stuff like this.

Sorry buddhagamer, it is Don Jones.

Posted by sol_phenom3 on 8/4/2020 1:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mrslam34 on 8/4/2020 12:29:00 PM (view original):
I didn't pay too much attention to that guy but I think I remember seeing both of you at Moderate. When schools are at the same interest level they are listed alphabetically, so Dayton will always be listed above Indiana when both are at moderate.

Interestingly, this recruit transferred out of Indiana due to a broken promise and now it looks like he's heading back to Bloomington for round 2.

I've never really paid attention to this before, but HD let's you sign back your own transfers?

There's no way Indiana's previous recruiting effort would carry over, right? From when they first recruited & signed him?

I’ve heard of it happening once before, a team re-signing a player after a broken promise departure. I don’t recall any discussion of carryover credit. I suppose it’s theoretically possible there was a glitch or some unknown event at play here, but under normal circumstances, this issue doesn’t explain a team being able to offer a scholarship without having requisite credit stored. It’d be one thing if it was like a previously recruited but not signed juco, and they showed up from the start on the considering list. My understanding from the OP is that’s not what happened; that this recruit started with an empty considering list, as transfers do.

Just FYI - This recruit has not signed with anyone yet. So we should be careful about talking about specific effort, etc. I think discussing the mechanics of the considering list was fair game though.

Posted by mrslam34 on 8/4/2020 2:56:00 PM (view original):
Just FYI - This recruit has not signed with anyone yet. So we should be careful about talking about specific effort, etc. I think discussing the mechanics of the considering list was fair game though.

Yeah, I’m not going to say any more knowing he hasn’t signed yet; everything I’ve said so far is just generalized and speculative (I had no idea about the transfers only ever having the wants to play preference, I rarely recruit them, and had assumed they kept the same preferences - other than signing tendency - they generated with).

There might be a lot to say after it’s all over, though.

Does no one believe that 80 AP could've unlocked the HV as well? I think that's an obvious possibility. I do it all the time when in a pinch for a player. Unlocking order basically goes...... ship, HV, promises, CV. And sometimes enough AP can get the first two. If that happened, it's easy to see why he got pushed down so far on cycle two. Is that a possibility here?

cp49, you said you got close on the first cycle. How close? 99% close? If so, I could see 80 AP unlocking the ship and HV in one cycle IF the opponent is higher prestige (yes) and better preferences (I don't know).