Posted by mrslam34 on 8/4/2020 7:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 8/4/2020 7:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by pallas on 8/4/2020 5:56:00 PM (view original):
I didn't see this thread until now.

I put 80 AP on Jones as soon as I found him again, which immediately unlocked the scholarship. Then I offered a Start and 20 Minutes because I didn't have any money left. My only hope was to get him for free before you could catch back up. Unfortunately for me, Late in this instance meant late late.

I don't know why the Considering List turned out the way it did, but that was what I did. Congrats on the win. I was sad to lose him in the first place.

You lost a guy with over 93% of the promised minutes, starting 25 of 26 games. That’s the big story here. You are, unfortunately, a cautionary tale.

There is no 80% rule.

While I agree that the 80% rule should be treated as forum gossip and not a rule, the 80% rule was technically violated with Jones. Or at least how I interpret the "rule." Jones ended up starting 23 of 26 games in the regular season (88.5%) and 25 of 30 total games (83.3%), but he did not start in games 7, 8, or 9. So after 9 games he had only started in 6 (66.7%). My understanding of the "rule" has been that a player must always be above 80% at every point during the regular season. Jones would have been below 80% from games 8 through 14.

I am definitely surprised that Jones transferred and agree that he is a cautionary tale, but I just wanted to clarify.

Yeah, I agree completely with your interpretation. I probably should have provided a little analysis, and I don’t even remember what I was thinking with the “25 of 26” comment, but I was grilling at the time, you know how it goes.

Posted by mrslam34 on 8/4/2020 7:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 8/4/2020 7:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by pallas on 8/4/2020 5:56:00 PM (view original):
I didn't see this thread until now.

I put 80 AP on Jones as soon as I found him again, which immediately unlocked the scholarship. Then I offered a Start and 20 Minutes because I didn't have any money left. My only hope was to get him for free before you could catch back up. Unfortunately for me, Late in this instance meant late late.

I don't know why the Considering List turned out the way it did, but that was what I did. Congrats on the win. I was sad to lose him in the first place.

You lost a guy with over 93% of the promised minutes, starting 25 of 26 games. That’s the big story here. You are, unfortunately, a cautionary tale.

There is no 80% rule.

While I agree that the 80% rule should be treated as forum gossip and not a rule, the 80% rule was technically violated with Jones. Or at least how I interpret the "rule." Jones ended up starting 23 of 26 games in the regular season (88.5%) and 25 of 30 total games (83.3%), but he did not start in games 7, 8, or 9. So after 9 games he had only started in 6 (66.7%). My understanding of the "rule" has been that a player must always be above 80% at every point during the regular season. Jones would have been below 80% from games 8 through 14.

I am definitely surprised that Jones transferred and agree that he is a cautionary tale, but I just wanted to clarify.

He doesn't have to be over 80% at all points in the regular season. I've had many instances where I've taken a guy out of the starting line-up and replaced him with someone else for an important non-conference game, even if it was the second or third game. I know it's a technicality but that would put him under 80% right off the bat.

Or........suppose someone forgets to set their depth chart (it happens, trust me) and doesn't put the player in the starting line-up for the first couple of games. Under 80% then as well. I've actually (and I wouldn't recommend it) forgotten to put a player back in the line-up at all after the first 2 8 non-con games. Got the complaint e-mail at the end of non-con play, realized what I hadn't done, put him back in the starting line-up the rest of the way and all was well. It sounds like Pallas REALLY got an unfortunate break as far as the promise threshold goes. I also think that the better the player, the more likely he is to leave but that's just personal opinion.

Posted by buddhagamer on 8/4/2020 6:08:00 PM (view original):
Sorry for posting a link to the recruit but I had assumed from the OP that the recruit had already signed (which is why my puzzlement about missing on pallas' team page).

Any way, my opinion here is that if a recruit leaves a school where a coach *broke* a recruiting promise and transfers away, they shouldn't be considered by that recruit (or at bare minimum not be able to get better than moderate interest).

In what universe (RL or SIM) does a recruit take off and quit a school because a promise made to him was *broken* by a HC but then turns around shortly thereafter to sign back with that exact same coach?

Agreed. A team that loses a player to a broken promise should NOT be able to re-sign said player. Ever (although in your case Pallas, it really sounds like you got a raw deal).

It's simply ridiculous to think a player would get upset enough to leave then decide "Oh well, maybe I'll give Coach another chance after all. Surely he won't fool me again."

Posted by emy1013 on 8/5/2020 5:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by buddhagamer on 8/4/2020 6:08:00 PM (view original):
Sorry for posting a link to the recruit but I had assumed from the OP that the recruit had already signed (which is why my puzzlement about missing on pallas' team page).

Any way, my opinion here is that if a recruit leaves a school where a coach *broke* a recruiting promise and transfers away, they shouldn't be considered by that recruit (or at bare minimum not be able to get better than moderate interest).

In what universe (RL or SIM) does a recruit take off and quit a school because a promise made to him was *broken* by a HC but then turns around shortly thereafter to sign back with that exact same coach?

Agreed. A team that loses a player to a broken promise should NOT be able to re-sign said player. Ever (although in your case Pallas, it really sounds like you got a raw deal).

It's simply ridiculous to think a player would get upset enough to leave then decide "Oh well, maybe I'll give Coach another chance after all. Surely he won't fool me again."

Agreed.

I've resigned 5/6 players in my career, and its pretty broken.

Posted by cubcub113 on 8/5/2020 1:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by emy1013 on 8/5/2020 5:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by buddhagamer on 8/4/2020 6:08:00 PM (view original):
Sorry for posting a link to the recruit but I had assumed from the OP that the recruit had already signed (which is why my puzzlement about missing on pallas' team page).

Any way, my opinion here is that if a recruit leaves a school where a coach *broke* a recruiting promise and transfers away, they shouldn't be considered by that recruit (or at bare minimum not be able to get better than moderate interest).

In what universe (RL or SIM) does a recruit take off and quit a school because a promise made to him was *broken* by a HC but then turns around shortly thereafter to sign back with that exact same coach?

Agreed. A team that loses a player to a broken promise should NOT be able to re-sign said player. Ever (although in your case Pallas, it really sounds like you got a raw deal).

It's simply ridiculous to think a player would get upset enough to leave then decide "Oh well, maybe I'll give Coach another chance after all. Surely he won't fool me again."

Agreed.

I've resigned 5/6 players in my career, and its pretty broken.

8.0.3

I don't personally think it is broken in principle. In practice I have no idea but in principle the idea of "mending fences" with a guy you already had on your team seems perfectly sensible to me.

Posted by marl_karx on 8/5/2020 5:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 8/5/2020 1:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by emy1013 on 8/5/2020 5:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by buddhagamer on 8/4/2020 6:08:00 PM (view original):
Sorry for posting a link to the recruit but I had assumed from the OP that the recruit had already signed (which is why my puzzlement about missing on pallas' team page).

Any way, my opinion here is that if a recruit leaves a school where a coach *broke* a recruiting promise and transfers away, they shouldn't be considered by that recruit (or at bare minimum not be able to get better than moderate interest).

In what universe (RL or SIM) does a recruit take off and quit a school because a promise made to him was *broken* by a HC but then turns around shortly thereafter to sign back with that exact same coach?

Agreed. A team that loses a player to a broken promise should NOT be able to re-sign said player. Ever (although in your case Pallas, it really sounds like you got a raw deal).

It's simply ridiculous to think a player would get upset enough to leave then decide "Oh well, maybe I'll give Coach another chance after all. Surely he won't fool me again."

Agreed.

I've resigned 5/6 players in my career, and its pretty broken.

8.0.3

I don't personally think it is broken in principle. In practice I have no idea but in principle the idea of "mending fences" with a guy you already had on your team seems perfectly sensible to me.

Mending fences is the player deciding to "stay" on the team even though the HC didn't keep his word.

This is akin to finding out your spouse cheated on you during the first year of marriage, deciding to divorce them and then when it's finally official and your free to date others, you get on Tinder and you decide to swipe right on your ex's photo

Posted by buddhagamer on 8/5/2020 6:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by marl_karx on 8/5/2020 5:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 8/5/2020 1:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by emy1013 on 8/5/2020 5:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by buddhagamer on 8/4/2020 6:08:00 PM (view original):
Sorry for posting a link to the recruit but I had assumed from the OP that the recruit had already signed (which is why my puzzlement about missing on pallas' team page).

Any way, my opinion here is that if a recruit leaves a school where a coach *broke* a recruiting promise and transfers away, they shouldn't be considered by that recruit (or at bare minimum not be able to get better than moderate interest).

In what universe (RL or SIM) does a recruit take off and quit a school because a promise made to him was *broken* by a HC but then turns around shortly thereafter to sign back with that exact same coach?

Agreed. A team that loses a player to a broken promise should NOT be able to re-sign said player. Ever (although in your case Pallas, it really sounds like you got a raw deal).

It's simply ridiculous to think a player would get upset enough to leave then decide "Oh well, maybe I'll give Coach another chance after all. Surely he won't fool me again."

Agreed.

I've resigned 5/6 players in my career, and its pretty broken.

8.0.3

I don't personally think it is broken in principle. In practice I have no idea but in principle the idea of "mending fences" with a guy you already had on your team seems perfectly sensible to me.

Mending fences is the player deciding to "stay" on the team even though the HC didn't keep his word.

This is akin to finding out your spouse cheated on you during the first year of marriage, deciding to divorce them and then when it's finally official and your free to date others, you get on Tinder and you decide to swipe right on your ex's photo

I’m not great at detecting sarcasm, so maybe you’re not serious, but while this kind of scenario probably isn’t common, it’s certainly not unheard of. And how ****ed up would it be if it was illegal, or if there was some kind of structural barrier preventing it from happening?

Posted by shoe3 on 8/5/2020 10:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by buddhagamer on 8/5/2020 6:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by marl_karx on 8/5/2020 5:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 8/5/2020 1:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by emy1013 on 8/5/2020 5:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by buddhagamer on 8/4/2020 6:08:00 PM (view original):
Sorry for posting a link to the recruit but I had assumed from the OP that the recruit had already signed (which is why my puzzlement about missing on pallas' team page).

Any way, my opinion here is that if a recruit leaves a school where a coach *broke* a recruiting promise and transfers away, they shouldn't be considered by that recruit (or at bare minimum not be able to get better than moderate interest).

In what universe (RL or SIM) does a recruit take off and quit a school because a promise made to him was *broken* by a HC but then turns around shortly thereafter to sign back with that exact same coach?

Agreed. A team that loses a player to a broken promise should NOT be able to re-sign said player. Ever (although in your case Pallas, it really sounds like you got a raw deal).

It's simply ridiculous to think a player would get upset enough to leave then decide "Oh well, maybe I'll give Coach another chance after all. Surely he won't fool me again."

Agreed.

I've resigned 5/6 players in my career, and its pretty broken.

8.0.3

I don't personally think it is broken in principle. In practice I have no idea but in principle the idea of "mending fences" with a guy you already had on your team seems perfectly sensible to me.

Mending fences is the player deciding to "stay" on the team even though the HC didn't keep his word.

This is akin to finding out your spouse cheated on you during the first year of marriage, deciding to divorce them and then when it's finally official and your free to date others, you get on Tinder and you decide to swipe right on your ex's photo

I’m not great at detecting sarcasm, so maybe you’re not serious, but while this kind of scenario probably isn’t common, it’s certainly not unheard of. And how ****ed up would it be if it was illegal, or if there was some kind of structural barrier preventing it from happening?

I think he had some great fan fiction ready to go and saw his opportunity :)

Posted by buddhagamer on 8/5/2020 6:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by marl_karx on 8/5/2020 5:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 8/5/2020 1:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by emy1013 on 8/5/2020 5:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by buddhagamer on 8/4/2020 6:08:00 PM (view original):
Sorry for posting a link to the recruit but I had assumed from the OP that the recruit had already signed (which is why my puzzlement about missing on pallas' team page).

Any way, my opinion here is that if a recruit leaves a school where a coach *broke* a recruiting promise and transfers away, they shouldn't be considered by that recruit (or at bare minimum not be able to get better than moderate interest).

In what universe (RL or SIM) does a recruit take off and quit a school because a promise made to him was *broken* by a HC but then turns around shortly thereafter to sign back with that exact same coach?

Agreed. A team that loses a player to a broken promise should NOT be able to re-sign said player. Ever (although in your case Pallas, it really sounds like you got a raw deal).

It's simply ridiculous to think a player would get upset enough to leave then decide "Oh well, maybe I'll give Coach another chance after all. Surely he won't fool me again."

Agreed.

I've resigned 5/6 players in my career, and its pretty broken.

8.0.3

I don't personally think it is broken in principle. In practice I have no idea but in principle the idea of "mending fences" with a guy you already had on your team seems perfectly sensible to me.

Mending fences is the player deciding to "stay" on the team even though the HC didn't keep his word.

This is akin to finding out your spouse cheated on you during the first year of marriage, deciding to divorce them and then when it's finally official and your free to date others, you get on Tinder and you decide to swipe right on your ex's photo

How about you stay out of my personal life buddha