Posted by wylie715 on 8/6/2020 5:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Uofa2 on 8/6/2020 4:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 8/6/2020 1:58:00 PM (view original):
not saying it doesn't move, but there seem to be less people in the center and more going to extremes, both left and right.

Would you say Joe Biden, the democratically voted nominee of the Democratic party, is extreme?

No. Would you disagree with me that more and more people are moving to extremes, and there are less people in the center?

Compared to when?

Politics has *almost* always been polarized and full of unpleasantness in this country. Remember when 1/3 of the states tried to leave the country when they didn't like the results of the 1860 Presidential election and then everybody fought a bloody war over it? Newspapers were writing about the sexual escapades of the candidates, suggesting the country would fall apart or abandon its fundamental principles if the wrong candidate won, etc. from the first election George Washington didn't run in.

We have a bit of a short-term misrepresentation of what politics as normal looks like. The Cold War gave us a common enemy that kept politics *relatively* civil and open to compromise for a few decades. During that period centrists actually had some influence. But unfortunately, that is the exception, not the rule.

Posted by dahsdebater on 8/7/2020 1:33:00 AM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 8/6/2020 5:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Uofa2 on 8/6/2020 4:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 8/6/2020 1:58:00 PM (view original):
not saying it doesn't move, but there seem to be less people in the center and more going to extremes, both left and right.

Would you say Joe Biden, the democratically voted nominee of the Democratic party, is extreme?

No. Would you disagree with me that more and more people are moving to extremes, and there are less people in the center?

Compared to when?

Politics has *almost* always been polarized and full of unpleasantness in this country. Remember when 1/3 of the states tried to leave the country when they didn't like the results of the 1860 Presidential election and then everybody fought a bloody war over it? Newspapers were writing about the sexual escapades of the candidates, suggesting the country would fall apart or abandon its fundamental principles if the wrong candidate won, etc. from the first election George Washington didn't run in.

We have a bit of a short-term misrepresentation of what politics as normal looks like. The Cold War gave us a common enemy that kept politics *relatively* civil and open to compromise for a few decades. During that period centrists actually had some influence. But unfortunately, that is the exception, not the rule.

Well said

Posted by tangplay on 8/7/2020 12:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Uofa2 on 8/6/2020 11:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/6/2020 11:24:00 PM (view original):
I'm going to go ahead and say that the 4% are unlikely to cost the Dems the election.

By the way, the narrative that Sanders/Bernie Bros cost Clinton the election in 16 is BS.

No, they're definitely on the list, after their months of "no difference between Trump and Hillary" bullshit, which swear to god I haven't seen a single one apologize for, that's cool, and their DNC performance - did they boo John Lewis? I forget. (No, I don't.)

But they're like 6th or 7th on the list behind the 30 year right wing smear campaign that even worked a little on you, basic American mysoginy, a **** poor media performance desperate for the horserace, good old American racism, reality tv, and sure, fine, the campaign was B level.

Most Bernie supporters who went Trump in the general were far more anti-Hillary than pro-Bernie. The 2020 primaries proved that.

Secondly, more Hillary 08 supporters went to McCain than Bernie voters to Trump.

The whole narrative about Bernie, or his supporters, costing Hillary the election is faulty in numerous ways. I don't see how Bernie, in specific, could have done more.

I didn't say Bernie did, although he could've dropped out when it became obvious he wasn't going to win. Ah, but that wouldn't stop Bernie supporters from saying it was rigged, would it? Nothing would. I believe they screamed it so loud Trump used it then and again this year, though it didn't work as well this time because, again, Hllary had some negatives through no fault of her own.

But no nah, they have nothing to apologize for, sure. Bernie supporters are gentle roses.

I'm not saying they were the 5th most important reason she lost an election by 88k well placed votes, but with margins like that, yes dude, they're on the list.

Posted by tangplay on 8/7/2020 12:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Uofa2 on 8/6/2020 11:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/6/2020 11:24:00 PM (view original):
I'm going to go ahead and say that the 4% are unlikely to cost the Dems the election.

By the way, the narrative that Sanders/Bernie Bros cost Clinton the election in 16 is BS.

No, they're definitely on the list, after their months of "no difference between Trump and Hillary" bullshit, which swear to god I haven't seen a single one apologize for, that's cool, and their DNC performance - did they boo John Lewis? I forget. (No, I don't.)

But they're like 6th or 7th on the list behind the 30 year right wing smear campaign that even worked a little on you, basic American mysoginy, a **** poor media performance desperate for the horserace, good old American racism, reality tv, and sure, fine, the campaign was B level.

Most Bernie supporters who went Trump in the general were far more anti-Hillary than pro-Bernie. The 2020 primaries proved that.

Secondly, more Hillary 08 supporters went to McCain than Bernie voters to Trump.

The whole narrative about Bernie, or his supporters, costing Hillary the election is faulty in numerous ways. I don't see how Bernie, in specific, could have done more.

this is my last comment on this...where did I (or anyone else) say that Bernie personally could have done more? Does it really matter why Trump won? What matters is that he doesn't win this time.

Trump, in a tweet criticizing Biden for treating African-Americans as a monolith, said that Joe doesn't deserve the "black vote."

Anything you can do, I can do better.

David Byrd was easily reelected last night despite 3 women for the last 2 years saying he sexually assaulted them when they were 15 and 16. He was their teacher and coach. Two other names were on the GOP ballot. No one can argue now that his district had no other option.

Trump supporter in Portland threw 3 pipe bombs at protesters yesterday. Still isn't arrested.

By the way, I looked into the killing of David Dorn yesterday. From what I read, seems like it was a random burglar who killed him? Obviously a tragedy, but I don't see the link to BLM besides "former cop killed by black burglar during protests."

From what I had seen from right-wing grifters, it sounded like he was shot randomly at a BLM protest by an anarchist or something. Clearly, that doesn't seem to be the case.

Also, I've seen claims that 20 or so people have died during the protests. I haven't been able to find documentation of that, though. Someone should help me out on that. I'm 90% certain that most, if not all of them are tangentially related to protests at best.

Barr’s interview with Levin was something else.

Why is the right-wing media losing their mind over the MSM not covering a story where a random kid was murdered by a random guy?

I honestly don't see why they think this is hypocritical. Is it literally just because a black guy murdered a white kid?

It's crazy that they hold cops to the same standard as criminals. Why aren't there riots? Police are supposed to be accountable to the people. Random murderers aren't.

Posted by tangplay on 8/13/2020 4:20:00 PM (view original):
It's crazy that they hold cops to the same standard as criminals. Why aren't there riots? Police are supposed to be accountable to the people. Random murderers aren't.

Theyre ******* gone. High on their own supply.

It boggles my mind how they think this is even close to being a gotcha.

If a white person was killed unjustly by police and BLM didn't care, then that would be a fair comparison (this has happened before, and those criticisms are valid). But a random white kid killed by a random murderer? Why do they expect this to be front page news?

Do they seriously think that every black kid killed by a white guy becomes the top story on CNN?

All3 isn't the only Republican openly defending the Proud Boys at this point:

https://twitter.com/wiscoDeplorable/status/1294710896145596418

According to Heritage Foundation (not exactly a liberal org) there have been 143 cases of mail-in ballot fraud over the past 20 years. That would average to about 3 per state (over 20 yrs!) or about one case/state every 6-7 yrs. Numerically, about 0.00006% of total votes cast.