by Republican logic, that is too much, yet the 3.15% fatality rate for US covid19 cases is not much at all

Just guessing, but that rate is probably still much, much higher than the % of total black deaths to those caused by police, which so many Dems/Libs, including some here, seem to be blaming for justifying riots, looting, and almost anything else they feel like trying to get away with. I'm not saying police reform isn't needed, just trying to keep things in factual and in perspective.

nothing justifies rioting and looting in my opinion. You do that stuff, you are not a protester, you are a criminal. The constitution guarantees the right to PEACEFUL protest. Rioting, looting, and burning things is not peaceful.

Posted by wylie715 on 8/18/2020 11:53:00 AM (view original):
nothing justifies rioting and looting in my opinion. You do that stuff, you are not a protester, you are a criminal. The constitution guarantees the right to PEACEFUL protest. Rioting, looting, and burning things is not peaceful.

Somebody better inform your precious founding fathers about that. They ever pay the King back for his tea?

Revolutions are not peaceful, they are simply necessary. Progressives will win. We always have.

Race /% of population /% of killings by cops
white/ 60% /17%
Black /13%/ 43%
Hispanic/ 12%/ 33%
Other /15% /6%

Violent protest is a last resort but sometimes it is correct.

who could say that ultra violent activity against the nazi government in Germany would ever have been wrong.

sometimes it is morally right and the only recourse. It happens when democracy does not respond or turns totalitarian and represses democratic or human rights.

we haven’t gotten there yet but we are getting closer.

I'm frustrated with the constant, never-ending focus on "riot" and "looting". On the scale of the BLM movement as a whole, these things just aren't happening as much as some think, and only in a couple of cities. Especially the looting, which took place at the very beginning but hasn't been a feature since then for the most part.

The media will report on every instance of a riot, and won't do the same for a large peaceful protest. That biases the coverage in a way that makes it seem like the movement is something that it isn't.

Depends on which media.

Posted by tangplay on 8/18/2020 12:59:00 PM (view original):
I'm frustrated with the constant, never-ending focus on "riot" and "looting". On the scale of the BLM movement as a whole, these things just aren't happening as much as some think, and only in a couple of cities. Especially the looting, which took place at the very beginning but hasn't been a feature since then for the most part.

The media will report on every instance of a riot, and won't do the same for a large peaceful protest. That biases the coverage in a way that makes it seem like the movement is something that it isn't.

Right, but the rioting and the looting,however much of it is happening, is just taking away from the message of BLW. Many people just concentrate on the rioting and looting in dismissing BLM.

That focus is disingenuous, IMO. I agree that it's not the best optics, but when millions of angry people gather nationwide to protect a governmental institution that has a vested interest in repressing them, ****'s gonna happen.

To pretend that a small percentage of people represents the entire movement, or even cancels out their demands is extremely harmful.

Posted by wylie715 on 8/18/2020 12:02:00 PM (view original):
Race /% of population /% of killings by cops
white/ 60% /17%
Black /13%/ 43%
Hispanic/ 12%/ 33%
Other /15% /6%

Thanks wylie, and as I said, police reform is very much needed. What I was saying was what % of black deaths are at the hands of police? Seems there are many causes that should be of equal or greater concern.

Non-Hispanic black, Male, All ages	Percent
1) Heart disease	23.7%
2) Cancer	20.2%
3) Unintentional injuries	7.9%
4) Homicide	5.0%
5) Stroke	4.9%
6) Diabetes	4.3%
7) Chronic lower respiratory diseases	3.2%
8) Kidney disease	2.6%
9) Septicemia	1.7%
10) Hypertension	1.6%

not saying the focus is right, but people who don't support BLM will use the rioting and looting to criticize BLM. If there was no looting or rioting, of course, they'd find something else.

Like seemingly any group these days (just look at our "group" of posters), there are going to be extremists in the mix that reflect badly on the group. I know I don't think BLM is responsible for looting and rioting, just some people within in.

Posted by all3 on 8/18/2020 3:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 8/18/2020 12:02:00 PM (view original):
Race /% of population /% of killings by cops
white/ 60% /17%
Black /13%/ 43%
Hispanic/ 12%/ 33%
Other /15% /6%

Thanks wylie, and as I said, police reform is very much needed. What I was saying was what % of black deaths are at the hands of police? Seems there are many causes that should be of equal or greater concern.

Non-Hispanic black, Male, All ages	Percent
1) Heart disease	23.7%
2) Cancer	20.2%
3) Unintentional injuries	7.9%
4) Homicide	5.0%
5) Stroke	4.9%
6) Diabetes	4.3%
7) Chronic lower respiratory diseases	3.2%
8) Kidney disease	2.6%
9) Septicemia	1.7%
10) Hypertension	1.6%

dying from a disease and dying at the hands of the police are not something you can compare. The percentage of black deaths at the hand of the police as opposed to car accidents or disease or any other cause has nothing to do with anything. The point is that black deaths caused by the police is highly disproportionate to the black percentage of the population.