How is it any different than real life in this sense: Coach A recruits Player Z to School E. Coach A leaves School E for School F and pursues the signing of Player Z. Player Z rescinds his commitment to School E and plays for School F.

Posted by Benis on 8/24/2020 12:59:00 PM (view original):
Define "unqualified recruits". What does that even mean?? They're from the same recruit pool as sim teams sign players from. By saying they're unqualified then Seble is basically saying that D3 is broken.

He's purposely signing lesser recruits than a decent team could reasonably compete for with the stated purpose of exploiting a loophole in how recruiting works. Posting a detailed confession here was probably not a great idea.

This is not too different from wizard's late-nite button-mashing.

Posted by favre3xmvp on 8/24/2020 1:07:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by Sportsbulls on 8/24/2020 12:46:00 PM (view original):
Omg, omg, omg. Ab, you’ve just made my day. Wow. This is incredible! I can’t believe you’ve outdone yourself. It’s pretty impressive.

Look at this message I just got from admin:

Jake,

We've been alerted to you intentionally sabotaging your team in Tarkanian by signing unqualified recruits. Please be aware that this type of behavior is against the rules and is taken very seriously. Any future problems, particularly with this type of behavior, will result in banishment from the site.

Thank you.

Not even kidding, I didn’t plan on sabotaging this with AB in mind at all (although this ended up working out best case scenario). I planned on moving to D2 or another D3 when recruiting happened, and I always scout D2 in my area (of my old team), bump some sims down on studs or battle some D2s to keep them below signing range, then fill my scholarships up so they don’t sign with me. Then scout them to L1 and sign them on my new team. It’s a strategy I’ve used throughout my career with changing teams. I just decided recently I wasn’t going to hop to another team. But regardless, this is amazing. Thank you for making my day.

On an aside, AB, my challenge of who can win a ship first in the same conference is still on.

You can’t have an unqualified recruit to a D3 school. That is just asinine. Seble, you should reconsider the decision to reprimand and intervene on the recruits signed to that team.

Yeah, he's basically bragging he's been gaming the system throughout his HD career.

Hopefully seble treats this as new information and responds appropriately.

I’ve known Jake for a long time, most of his HD career. He is a shrewd and wildly successful team manager. He plays with deference to the chief ideals of this game: dynasty building. Look at his resume, he has stayed long and worked hard on most of his programs. And like any teenager, we were all in his shoes once even if we might have to strain to remember the days, or even what day it is now, he can be distracted, under informed when making statements or judgments, but he is good intentioned. He is one of the most valuable members of this community because he generously shares his understanding of the game with others who want to be better. He is also naturally curious about the human side of the game, which is indicated most directly on this discussion through his pointed question of ab90, "Why do you play HD?" The answer might be interesting or it could just be boring. Will we find out?

Thank you Favre. You’re a great man with incredible morals, and you’ve taught me so much of the HD I’ve known. Thanks for the kind words. They mean a lot especially from someone I see as highly as you.

Posted by kcsundevil on 8/24/2020 1:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 8/24/2020 12:59:00 PM (view original):
Define "unqualified recruits". What does that even mean?? They're from the same recruit pool as sim teams sign players from. By saying they're unqualified then Seble is basically saying that D3 is broken.

He's purposely signing lesser recruits than a decent team could reasonably compete for with the stated purpose of exploiting a loophole in how recruiting works. Posting a detailed confession here was probably not a great idea.

This is not too different from wizard's late-nite button-mashing.

It’s just not a loophole or “confession” lol. Again, it’s like if I stated that I recruited at L3 a lot. Just a strategy which people do infrequently that I saw as an area I could do frequently and improve from.

Posted by beachhouse on 8/24/2020 1:08:00 PM (view original):
What is any different with ab having 3 walkons in Tark and once he abandons the team it becomes a complete rebuild.

So if you don’t recruit and leave a team for dead it’s not just as bad?

I recruited well this year to leave it in good shape. I was working on a big acquisition in real life when I took the 3 walk-ins, not logging in for several days. I cost myself a national championship by doing that. So, if you’re comparing real life getting in the way versus purposeful; malicious; and calculating vandalism designed for personal gain, then you’re either very silly or you went to the worst law school in the country and are currently a malpractice attorney doing preposterous television commercials: “I don’t get paid....unless you get paid.”

I’ve spent too much time here today. Later, sk8ers

Posted by Sportsbulls on 8/24/2020 1:08:00 PM (view original):
This isn’t a loophole at all. This is the same as a coach recruiting for a D2 one season, liking the players he is on, and taking the dude when he moves to another D2 lol. If this is a loophole, then so is recruiting players in RS1 at L3.

I admit this is the only part that is in the gray area for me.

But this was identified LONG ago during Beta that this would be possible and no one really seemed to care. Definitely not Seble.

Posted by Benis on 8/24/2020 1:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 8/24/2020 1:08:00 PM (view original):
This isn’t a loophole at all. This is the same as a coach recruiting for a D2 one season, liking the players he is on, and taking the dude when he moves to another D2 lol. If this is a loophole, then so is recruiting players in RS1 at L3.

I admit this is the only part that is in the gray area for me.

But this was identified LONG ago during Beta that this would be possible and no one really seemed to care. Definitely not Seble.

If this is a loophole, then I will apologize and not do it again, but I mean, people clearly do this on accident all the time. Like the example favre laid out. I just saw it as part of the game.

Posted by Benis on 8/24/2020 1:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 8/24/2020 1:08:00 PM (view original):
This isn’t a loophole at all. This is the same as a coach recruiting for a D2 one season, liking the players he is on, and taking the dude when he moves to another D2 lol. If this is a loophole, then so is recruiting players in RS1 at L3.

I admit this is the only part that is in the gray area for me.

But this was identified LONG ago during Beta that this would be possible and no one really seemed to care. Definitely not Seble.

But Sports added the layer of purposefully sabotoging his old team on the way out the door, which messes up the jobs process and thus affects other players both in jobs and recruiting.

I'm disappointed to see so many coaches defending this. Is stocking a team you know you're leaving with garbage recruits a widespread practice?

Posted by kcsundevil on 8/24/2020 1:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 8/24/2020 1:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 8/24/2020 1:08:00 PM (view original):
This isn’t a loophole at all. This is the same as a coach recruiting for a D2 one season, liking the players he is on, and taking the dude when he moves to another D2 lol. If this is a loophole, then so is recruiting players in RS1 at L3.

I admit this is the only part that is in the gray area for me.

But this was identified LONG ago during Beta that this would be possible and no one really seemed to care. Definitely not Seble.

But Sports added the layer of purposefully sabotoging his old team on the way out the door, which messes up the jobs process and thus affects other players both in jobs and recruiting.

I'm disappointed to see so many coaches defending this. Is stocking a team you know you're leaving with garbage recruits a widespread practice?

I'm not following how it messes up jobs. It's a D3 job. There are plenty of them out there available.

Posted by kcsundevil on 8/24/2020 1:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 8/24/2020 1:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 8/24/2020 1:08:00 PM (view original):
This isn’t a loophole at all. This is the same as a coach recruiting for a D2 one season, liking the players he is on, and taking the dude when he moves to another D2 lol. If this is a loophole, then so is recruiting players in RS1 at L3.

I admit this is the only part that is in the gray area for me.

But this was identified LONG ago during Beta that this would be possible and no one really seemed to care. Definitely not Seble.

But Sports added the layer of purposefully sabotoging his old team on the way out the door, which messes up the jobs process and thus affects other players both in jobs and recruiting.

I'm disappointed to see so many coaches defending this. Is stocking a team you know you're leaving with garbage recruits a widespread practice?

Should a coach leave his practice plan and team game plan settings in place or do anything in the first session of recruiting if he knows he is leaving? I am inclined to say coaches can leave a program however they want. It takes four or five seasons at the most to cycle out a former coach's scraps. This is not a big deal.

Posted by Benis on 8/24/2020 1:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kcsundevil on 8/24/2020 1:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 8/24/2020 1:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 8/24/2020 1:08:00 PM (view original):
This isn’t a loophole at all. This is the same as a coach recruiting for a D2 one season, liking the players he is on, and taking the dude when he moves to another D2 lol. If this is a loophole, then so is recruiting players in RS1 at L3.

I admit this is the only part that is in the gray area for me.

But this was identified LONG ago during Beta that this would be possible and no one really seemed to care. Definitely not Seble.

But Sports added the layer of purposefully sabotoging his old team on the way out the door, which messes up the jobs process and thus affects other players both in jobs and recruiting.

I'm disappointed to see so many coaches defending this. Is stocking a team you know you're leaving with garbage recruits a widespread practice?

I'm not following how it messes up jobs. It's a D3 job. There are plenty of them out there available.

A successful program should be a desirable step up, not a surprise screw job for a relatively new customer who thinks they're moving up in the world.

If you care about bringing new coaches into the game and keeping them interested, you can't be ok with this.

Posted by kcsundevil on 8/24/2020 1:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 8/24/2020 1:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kcsundevil on 8/24/2020 1:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 8/24/2020 1:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 8/24/2020 1:08:00 PM (view original):
This isn’t a loophole at all. This is the same as a coach recruiting for a D2 one season, liking the players he is on, and taking the dude when he moves to another D2 lol. If this is a loophole, then so is recruiting players in RS1 at L3.

I admit this is the only part that is in the gray area for me.

But this was identified LONG ago during Beta that this would be possible and no one really seemed to care. Definitely not Seble.

But Sports added the layer of purposefully sabotoging his old team on the way out the door, which messes up the jobs process and thus affects other players both in jobs and recruiting.

I'm disappointed to see so many coaches defending this. Is stocking a team you know you're leaving with garbage recruits a widespread practice?

I'm not following how it messes up jobs. It's a D3 job. There are plenty of them out there available.

A successful program should be a desirable step up, not a surprise screw job for a relatively new customer who thinks they're moving up in the world.

If you care about bringing new coaches into the game and keeping them interested, you can't be ok with this.

Pay attention to your surroundings, personal safety 101.

To be honest, I saw this in the same category as taking a freshman and promising minutes (and not giving him those minutes) so he transfers at the end of the season instead of taking a walkon, or changing your distro during your sim conference to not reflect your competitive distro, or cutting every player you can for the first two seasons of a rebuild. I mean, how does it differ from those?

Theres a difference between glitches in the game like wizard’s redshirting thing and getting creative and finding fair ways to give yourself an advantage.

I mean, I was planning about writing about this in my guide, lol. I’m pretty sure I’ve talked openly on the forums about it before, and if not, I’ve talked to about 20 people about it.

Posted by kcsundevil on 8/24/2020 1:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 8/24/2020 1:27:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by Sportsbulls on 8/24/2020 1:08:00 PM (view original):
This isn’t a loophole at all. This is the same as a coach recruiting for a D2 one season, liking the players he is on, and taking the dude when he moves to another D2 lol. If this is a loophole, then so is recruiting players in RS1 at L3.

I admit this is the only part that is in the gray area for me.

But this was identified LONG ago during Beta that this would be possible and no one really seemed to care. Definitely not Seble.

But Sports added the layer of purposefully sabotoging his old team on the way out the door, which messes up the jobs process and thus affects other players both in jobs and recruiting.

I'm disappointed to see so many coaches defending this. Is stocking a team you know you're leaving with garbage recruits a widespread practice?

I'm not following how it messes up jobs. It's a D3 job. There are plenty of them out there available.

A successful program should be a desirable step up, not a surprise screw job for a relatively new customer who thinks they're moving up in the world.

If you care about bringing new coaches into the game and keeping them interested, you can't be ok with this.

That's a good point, I'm sure AB's complaint was for the new guys.

The 'new guys' who aren't able to look at a team and determine whether it's even good or not is definitely going to beat Ab's resume... right?

The REAL new guys are picking up teams like this all the time. The sim teams they take over are already crap. What are we even talking about here.

In fact, this actually helps the new guys because then you don't have HoFers parking at D3 and taking over already well established D3 teams who will just dominate them, take the credits, and then move on.

i wish i could see the original players, as i'm not 100% sure i follow based on sports's expectation. i don't think the issue is looking at a player at the first school, and signing at the second - the issue was about not trying to win - which is required as part of fair play (whether it is stated or not). it sounds to me like seble and ab are saying, the players signed were intentionally bad, which is similar to throwing a game and is not allowed. not trying is not penalized; trying to suck is. but what i don't get is how sports's explanation about some other d2 school ties into that.

on a different front - ab came with a legitimate question - i don't get the hostility. i understand many of you don't respect him or his style of playing, but there's no reason to disqualify *anyone* from bringing legitimate lines of inquiry to the forums. i'm not super thrilled he name checked me bc i really don't want to be the defender of ab or his style - but also - the first page of this thread is ridiculous.

i will say, sending a ticket before talking to the coach in question was definitely weak sauce.