Posted by cbriese on 8/24/2020 5:43:00 PM (view original):
Good grief. Nine pages of whining.

ab90 and I are at opposite ends of the spectrum in team selection - I factor in the number of years the teams has been coached by Sim AI (50 years or more is preferred) - but I have zero issue with the way he bounces from team to team like a WIS version of Larry Brown. I do have an issue with the crybabies who complain that his teams are only 982 miles apart.

sportsbulls went deep into the gray area of fair play by his recruiting and recruit signing shenanigans. I wouldn't complain about it, but it will make it sweeter when I beat him in an NT matchup.

seble makes an appearance with a cogent, well thought out explanation. The rest, well, the rest is just whining. Grow up.

So ignore bias and favoritism.... Fk my money, and my experience.

Posted by cbriese on 8/24/2020 5:44:00 PM (view original):
Mommy!

I think you misinterpret my stance. I am not whining about anything. I just personally dislike ab90. I think his approach to this game is scumbag like. I’ve always felt that way.

I’ve never been directly impacted by anything he’s done in the game. I just don’t like him as a human being.

Posted by beachhouse on 8/24/2020 5:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cbriese on 8/24/2020 5:44:00 PM (view original):
Mommy!

I think you misinterpret my stance. I am not whining about anything. I just personally dislike ab90. I think his approach to this game is scumbag like. I’ve always felt that way.

I’ve never been directly impacted by anything he’s done in the game. I just don’t like him as a human being.

I think that was in response to me saying "good luck beating Lincoln." I just deleted and reposted in reply to his message as I saw that you made a post before my initial post posted.

Posted by Sportsbulls on 8/24/2020 5:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by beachhouse on 8/24/2020 5:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cbriese on 8/24/2020 5:44:00 PM (view original):
Mommy!

I think you misinterpret my stance. I am not whining about anything. I just personally dislike ab90. I think his approach to this game is scumbag like. I’ve always felt that way.

I’ve never been directly impacted by anything he’s done in the game. I just don’t like him as a human being.

I think that was in response to me saying "good luck beating Lincoln." I just deleted and reposted in reply to his message as I saw that you made a post before my initial post posted.

Yeah I couldn’t tell to be honest.

I think this whole situation has been handled hypocritically. We shouldn’t be surprised though.

Must be nice to get your feelings hurt and be able to fire off a direct line to Seble and something actually happen. What am I talking about? I'm a new coach, so my opinion and feedback matters less than dirt compared to the almighty HoF'er AB90 and his full real life schedule of importance!

I really don't want to keep this going because clearly some of you aren't going to understand my reasoning. I'll just throw out a few more things:

1. The only issue reported regarding ab90 was the somewhat recent violation of the distance rule. I advised him that all violations needed to be fixed by the end of the current season. That's standard procedure for any distance violation where there is no further evidence of cheating. The resolution would have been the same for any of you. If there are other issues with ab90, please report them with accompanying evidence.

2. This situation and a distance violation (or whatever else ab90 is apparently doing) are completely unrelated. Please don't try to justify this by implicating ab90 for some other issue.

3. Loyalty is absolutely a factor in jobs, but only for DI and DII. I have no idea what ab90's history is, but if he's staying in DIII then he's welcome to move around as much as he wants, like anyone is. I don't disagree that riding the coattails of another coach isn't a great look, but that's not a rule violation.

4. I don't understand what people are referencing when they say that this was "approved" in the beta. No idea what you're talking about there.

5. People saying that he's just recruiting DIII players at a DIII school are missing the point. These signings were not legitimate based on a total lack of scouting and the timeline. That's not to mention the quality being well below the school's standard. If there was some alternate strategy at work, then I'm missing it. Regardless, the end result wasn't legitimate.

6. If Sportsbulls had stayed at the team, then of course this is a non-issue and he can sign who he wants. The whole point is that he downgraded the job for the next coach for no reason.

7. When I say "the next coach", I'm not referring to ab90. I never got the impression that he wanted the job, nor would it matter. That had nothing to do with my response.

The reason people bring up AB90s own rule breaking is because of the consistency.

I think a lot of us would like to see loyalty matter, aka be a real metric, so that people are inclined to stay at a team and build it instead of just bounce repeatedly. Not to mention, as top has said, that AB's resume is now stellar because of the bouncing, so that the rest of us can't even compete for the same jobs that we might want to build instead of just use for a season.

Posted by seble on 8/24/2020 6:00:00 PM (view original):
I really don't want to keep this going because clearly some of you aren't going to understand my reasoning. I'll just throw out a few more things:

1. The only issue reported regarding ab90 was the somewhat recent violation of the distance rule. I advised him that all violations needed to be fixed by the end of the current season. That's standard procedure for any distance violation where there is no further evidence of cheating. The resolution would have been the same for any of you. If there are other issues with ab90, please report them with accompanying evidence.

2. This situation and a distance violation (or whatever else ab90 is apparently doing) are completely unrelated. Please don't try to justify this by implicating ab90 for some other issue.

3. Loyalty is absolutely a factor in jobs, but only for DI and DII. I have no idea what ab90's history is, but if he's staying in DIII then he's welcome to move around as much as he wants, like anyone is. I don't disagree that riding the coattails of another coach isn't a great look, but that's not a rule violation.

4. I don't understand what people are referencing when they say that this was "approved" in the beta. No idea what you're talking about there.

5. People saying that he's just recruiting DIII players at a DIII school are missing the point. These signings were not legitimate based on a total lack of scouting and the timeline. That's not to mention the quality being well below the school's standard. If there was some alternate strategy at work, then I'm missing it. Regardless, the end result wasn't legitimate.

6. If Sportsbulls had stayed at the team, then of course this is a non-issue and he can sign who he wants. The whole point is that he downgraded the job for the next coach for no reason.

7. When I say "the next coach", I'm not referring to ab90. I never got the impression that he wanted the job, nor would it matter. That had nothing to do with my response.

"If there was some alternate strategy at work, then I'm missing it." I've stated my reasoning for filling up the scholarships many times, you even addressed it in your last post.

"I don't understand what people are referencing when they say that this was "approved" in the beta. No idea what you're talking about there." People are saying that in beta it was brought up that a coach could target players in RS2 that he recruited in RS1, and that was something that was still put in game design (showing that it is not a loophole).

Although I disagree with your "bending the rules" quote in your last quote to a major extent because it sends out a poor message of limiting creativity and only being able to play the game a certain way, I understand your reasoning. Reference my two points above though, I'd like to hear back from you on that, whether it is directly or on here (preferred).

How were you targeting recruits for a different school here? You signed them in session 1.

To Johnsensing..... he doesn't recruit when he leaves. He leaves behind crap situations. Which is why my first post in this thread was "the ultimate pun".

Look, it's all goofy. I get it. And again it doesn't affect me personally because I tend to get to schools and stay. But here's where the real problem lies......

His resume is pretty much unstoppable. And he's admitted that in a forum post here (not in this thread. In another forum rant thread). He waits and picks the best team maybe 30 times out of 40 hiring seasons. Goes far, wins a lot of titles. Kudos. But no one can compete with that if they DID pursue a job that he did. Who can beat 7 titles in the last 9 seasons played (with maybe none being his own)?

For you clowns like cbriese that think it's all whining..... we're up to 10 pages in a day. Seble is even posting here. Wake up.... it's an issue with many.

Posted by seble on 8/24/2020 6:00:00 PM (view original):
I really don't want to keep this going because clearly some of you aren't going to understand my reasoning. I'll just throw out a few more things:

1. The only issue reported regarding ab90 was the somewhat recent violation of the distance rule. I advised him that all violations needed to be fixed by the end of the current season. That's standard procedure for any distance violation where there is no further evidence of cheating. The resolution would have been the same for any of you. If there are other issues with ab90, please report them with accompanying evidence.

2. This situation and a distance violation (or whatever else ab90 is apparently doing) are completely unrelated. Please don't try to justify this by implicating ab90 for some other issue.

3. Loyalty is absolutely a factor in jobs, but only for DI and DII. I have no idea what ab90's history is, but if he's staying in DIII then he's welcome to move around as much as he wants, like anyone is. I don't disagree that riding the coattails of another coach isn't a great look, but that's not a rule violation.

4. I don't understand what people are referencing when they say that this was "approved" in the beta. No idea what you're talking about there.

5. People saying that he's just recruiting DIII players at a DIII school are missing the point. These signings were not legitimate based on a total lack of scouting and the timeline. That's not to mention the quality being well below the school's standard. If there was some alternate strategy at work, then I'm missing it. Regardless, the end result wasn't legitimate.

6. If Sportsbulls had stayed at the team, then of course this is a non-issue and he can sign who he wants. The whole point is that he downgraded the job for the next coach for no reason.

7. When I say "the next coach", I'm not referring to ab90. I never got the impression that he wanted the job, nor would it matter. That had nothing to do with my response.

Just a couple things:

4. I think the point here is that, as with many things, there were issues some were raising, like some folks could see people doing strange things to game the system in various ways. That’s just the system that exists. There are lots of parts, and it kind of invites a lot of this kind of manipulation. I don’t recall if you specifically responded to it or not, but I do recall that this kind of point was raised. I didn’t have a problem with it then, and still don’t.

5. Again, show me the *actual* harm done, or benefit gained. How is this different, functionally, from swinging and missing on recruits that are far above a teams level? Coaches do that all the time, and then leave when they strike out. Are they threatened with bans?

7. I’m completely neutral on ab90’s tactics, but I assure you, the animosity here is 100% because folks rightly surmised this was brought to your attention because he was looking for a team to snag.

Posted by seble on 8/24/2020 6:11:00 PM (view original):
How were you targeting recruits for a different school here? You signed them in session 1.

I'll just lay out my steps for my strategy so it becomes clear.

1. Scout D2 in my local area that I'd normally scout and pursue and save $500
2. Get scholarships on guys I'd take at my future D2/D3 team (maybe bump down sims or D2s)
3. Scout FSS D3 around my area with that $500
4. Fill up my openings with those players
5. Get to new school
6. Sign player my old school was at VH with no schollies on

Make sense?

Posted by shoe3 on 8/24/2020 6:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by seble on 8/24/2020 6:00:00 PM (view original):
I really don't want to keep this going because clearly some of you aren't going to understand my reasoning. I'll just throw out a few more things:

1. The only issue reported regarding ab90 was the somewhat recent violation of the distance rule. I advised him that all violations needed to be fixed by the end of the current season. That's standard procedure for any distance violation where there is no further evidence of cheating. The resolution would have been the same for any of you. If there are other issues with ab90, please report them with accompanying evidence.

2. This situation and a distance violation (or whatever else ab90 is apparently doing) are completely unrelated. Please don't try to justify this by implicating ab90 for some other issue.

3. Loyalty is absolutely a factor in jobs, but only for DI and DII. I have no idea what ab90's history is, but if he's staying in DIII then he's welcome to move around as much as he wants, like anyone is. I don't disagree that riding the coattails of another coach isn't a great look, but that's not a rule violation.

4. I don't understand what people are referencing when they say that this was "approved" in the beta. No idea what you're talking about there.

5. People saying that he's just recruiting DIII players at a DIII school are missing the point. These signings were not legitimate based on a total lack of scouting and the timeline. That's not to mention the quality being well below the school's standard. If there was some alternate strategy at work, then I'm missing it. Regardless, the end result wasn't legitimate.

6. If Sportsbulls had stayed at the team, then of course this is a non-issue and he can sign who he wants. The whole point is that he downgraded the job for the next coach for no reason.

7. When I say "the next coach", I'm not referring to ab90. I never got the impression that he wanted the job, nor would it matter. That had nothing to do with my response.

Just a couple things:

4. I think the point here is that, as with many things, there were issues some were raising, like some folks could see people doing strange things to game the system in various ways. That’s just the system that exists. There are lots of parts, and it kind of invites a lot of this kind of manipulation. I don’t recall if you specifically responded to it or not, but I do recall that this kind of point was raised. I didn’t have a problem with it then, and still don’t.

5. Again, show me the *actual* harm done, or benefit gained. How is this different, functionally, from swinging and missing on recruits that are far above a teams level? Coaches do that all the time, and then leave when they strike out. Are they threatened with bans?

7. I’m completely neutral on ab90’s tactics, but I assure you, the animosity here is 100% because folks rightly surmised this was brought to your attention because he was looking for a team to snag.

+1 curious about these questions as well.

Posted by shoe3 on 8/24/2020 6:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by seble on 8/24/2020 6:00:00 PM (view original):
I really don't want to keep this going because clearly some of you aren't going to understand my reasoning. I'll just throw out a few more things:

1. The only issue reported regarding ab90 was the somewhat recent violation of the distance rule. I advised him that all violations needed to be fixed by the end of the current season. That's standard procedure for any distance violation where there is no further evidence of cheating. The resolution would have been the same for any of you. If there are other issues with ab90, please report them with accompanying evidence.

2. This situation and a distance violation (or whatever else ab90 is apparently doing) are completely unrelated. Please don't try to justify this by implicating ab90 for some other issue.

3. Loyalty is absolutely a factor in jobs, but only for DI and DII. I have no idea what ab90's history is, but if he's staying in DIII then he's welcome to move around as much as he wants, like anyone is. I don't disagree that riding the coattails of another coach isn't a great look, but that's not a rule violation.

4. I don't understand what people are referencing when they say that this was "approved" in the beta. No idea what you're talking about there.

5. People saying that he's just recruiting DIII players at a DIII school are missing the point. These signings were not legitimate based on a total lack of scouting and the timeline. That's not to mention the quality being well below the school's standard. If there was some alternate strategy at work, then I'm missing it. Regardless, the end result wasn't legitimate.

6. If Sportsbulls had stayed at the team, then of course this is a non-issue and he can sign who he wants. The whole point is that he downgraded the job for the next coach for no reason.

7. When I say "the next coach", I'm not referring to ab90. I never got the impression that he wanted the job, nor would it matter. That had nothing to do with my response.

Just a couple things:

4. I think the point here is that, as with many things, there were issues some were raising, like some folks could see people doing strange things to game the system in various ways. That’s just the system that exists. There are lots of parts, and it kind of invites a lot of this kind of manipulation. I don’t recall if you specifically responded to it or not, but I do recall that this kind of point was raised. I didn’t have a problem with it then, and still don’t.

5. Again, show me the *actual* harm done, or benefit gained. How is this different, functionally, from swinging and missing on recruits that are far above a teams level? Coaches do that all the time, and then leave when they strike out. Are they threatened with bans?

7. I’m completely neutral on ab90’s tactics, but I assure you, the animosity here is 100% because folks rightly surmised this was brought to your attention because he was looking for a team to snag.

4. Sure, there are things that the system allows that aren't ideal, but comments were implying that I somehow condoned any of this behavior in the past.

5. This is different because what you're describing would an honest effort to recruit. This was not that.

7. I have no idea of ab90's agenda, but it really doesn't matter to me. If there's an issue reported, I'm going to address it.

Posted by seble on 8/24/2020 6:11:00 PM (view original):
How were you targeting recruits for a different school here? You signed them in session 1.

I think the idea is he fully signed out his D3 school with D3 recruits for free and intended to use the remaining money to hold a D1/D2 recruit long enough for him to get to D2 and win them. Now, I completely understand the idea of playing "fair and fun" like you mentioned in your previous post but it hinders the game when one person brushes off the honor system and believes "everyone has to follow that but not me".

So, seeing as Sports' D3 recruits were removed from his D3 team because you believe Sports can do better - do you not have the same faith in ab90? I have nothing against either of them - I don't think I've spoken to either of them honestly - but it seems like an odd standard to say "Sports, you can do better" and slap him on the wrist while simultaneously not acknowledging that ab doesn't recruit and leaves rosters bare. It comes across as some weird double standard. You should either apologize to Sports and say ab90's strategy is both "fair and fun", or keep Sports' recruits removed and do something to stop ab90's constant maneuvering around D3.

Edit: Either option is fine, I don't have a preference in the matter. It's just unfortunate that your responses today are how you decided to reply to an issue that's been going on for years. This isn't an attack at all on ab90 or Sports - neither of them in my opinion broke any rules - it's a shot at the one's running the site.