"i'm taking exception to the enthusiasm for punishing this guy in what seems to be a pretty not that serious situation (i mean seriously... he went on to play a freaking sim...),"

Strongly disagree. I can't think of many things much worse in HD than rigging a NT game. Not the kind of thing where everybody should get one free.

Posted by gillispie1 on 8/27/2020 11:48:00 AM (view original):

Posted by PAnthony28 on 8/27/2020 11:25:00 AM (view original):
One season under my belt. Is this stuff, along with the other post by ab, commonplace? Competing against D3 teams with D1 rosters is daunting enough (until you learn recruiting) but when you have people gaming the system or bending rules it's a bit frustrating.
I've not been around long enough to know anything, really, but it seems the Fair Play Guidelines have been taking a beating lately.

the sad thing is, no not really... its pretty rare and basically has very little consequence on the overall winning and losing of games and tournaments. i often think these threads do more harm than good and folks just have a lot of time on their hands :)

These threads do nothing but benefit the game. You wanna let everything slide as if nothing is a big deal. I disagree with that mentality.

I do feel like an instant ban is harsh. And to the question about topics/threads like these being commonplace in HD...
it isn't. And it's a shame that these things happen to our great game. But the problem I have with the gil mentality here is..... if we just allow everyone to do as they please and bend rules and cut corners, it can/will eventually make our game worse off than it needs to be.

I think more good comes from calling out situations like this one, and the ab90 thread, than anything bad. And it's less because of these two incidents. And more about the fact that people see this. They know that cheating can/will get called out. And I feel like it can help close the wondering mind for people that may considering doing stuff like this.

I tend to be the same person in every aspect of life. I choose not to be someone that's a hard worker, and then sits on my *** and does nothing at home. I know HD is just a game. But if you SEE foul, why not address it? If my neighbor beats his wife in the front yard, I'm not gonna say "eh it happens all the time". Or if my co-worker is broadcasting how he's robbing the company, I won't say "eh no big deal". Obviously those are much more serious situations. But the point is, we all invest time and effort here. And in some cases, money. So why turn a blind eye to people that are being buttheads and doing foul things?

I had nothing to do with starting either one of these recent topics. But I would have if I had been the first to notice them. I'm not the HD police, but I have a hard time with "eh, just let them do what they do. That's just how some people are" in any aspect of my life. As far as "these threads do more harm than good", I respond with this......

1) exploiting the loophole where coaches weren't renewing, would get their job back, and have a 2nd full recruiting budget..... we cried foul. The good.... loophole closed. Action taken. The bad..... none.

2) the ab90 job hop concept. We cried foul. The good.... adjustments were/are being made to loyalty and reputation. The bad..... none.

3) whatever you wanna call this thread situation. We cried foul. The good..... unclear at this point. Hopefully shows people that going forward, it's not a good idea to do this. The bad..... none.

We also spoke up and got the "10 team only" considering list issue changed. Nothing but positive changes for the game have came from these threads. We've seen seble here more recently than ever before. I'm not sure how there's any way to view any of this as bad. It's much better than seble being a ghost and addressing nothing.

Also, to add in, I could care less about who the coach is. I don't wanna fry anybody in particular. Just the action being done. But i agree that it's not good to have coaches banned. Maybe find other ways to "punish" (Ok ok, maybe I wanna fry ab90 just a lil bit. Muhahahaaaa)

Grand Canyon is now ranked #1 going into the F4 and likely on auto-pilot now (and has a very good shot at winning D2 NT which would of been his first NT title). Anyone still think it was no big deal?

Posted by buddhagamer on 8/27/2020 2:32:00 PM (view original):
Grand Canyon is now ranked #1 going into the F4 and likely on auto-pilot now (and has a very good shot at winning D2 NT which would of been his first NT title). Anyone still think it was no big deal?

GC beat Sportsbulls in the E8. Always good to see the star of a hit movie movie show up for a cameo in the sequel.

Fair Play Vol. 2 has more action than the original, though perhaps less heart.

Posted by buddhagamer on 8/27/2020 2:32:00 PM (view original):
Grand Canyon is now ranked #1 going into the F4 and likely on auto-pilot now (and has a very good shot at winning D2 NT which would of been his first NT title). Anyone still think it was no big deal?

I'm waiting for GC to beat me in the finals after I started this thread. Wouldn't that be an interesting turn of events.

Dun dun duuuunnn

Fair Play 2: Ghostship Champion U

One thing GC isn't, is the CCAA tournament champion :P.

Posted by buddhagamer on 8/27/2020 2:32:00 PM (view original):
Grand Canyon is now ranked #1 going into the F4 and likely on auto-pilot now (and has a very good shot at winning D2 NT which would of been his first NT title). Anyone still think it was no big deal?

i never said it wasn't important - i am merely calling for an ounce of compassion for this theoretical dude i've never met. its not like you or me played ourselves in the NT in the midst of some dynasty run. or even some mediocre coach who frequents these forums. perhaps its my ignorance, but i have no idea who that coach is, and when i look at his resume, it is clear his capabilities are not sufficiently advanced for general concern that his actions might upset the competitive balance.

perhaps everything unknown ends up being the worst - that is irrelevant at the start of this thread. even if he ends up 1) knowing all about fair play, 2) cheated on purpose in a myriad of ways, 3) having 20 titles on another account - nobody knew that (or at least claimed to at the start), and yet, most participants were ready to string the guy up. a permanent ban from a game you really enjoy is a big deal to the person it is happening to.

an ounce of compassion, a bit of empathy, that is all i am calling for. of course its not OK to throw NT games. but i also have spent sufficient time contemplating that scenario to have reached a confident and independent conclusion. has this guy? was he really beyond redemption? again - maybe he he has, maybe he is. but folks in this thread appear not to know the answer to those questions and had no compassion anyway. that, IMO, is a problem.

Posted by kcsundevil on 8/27/2020 2:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by buddhagamer on 8/27/2020 2:32:00 PM (view original):
Grand Canyon is now ranked #1 going into the F4 and likely on auto-pilot now (and has a very good shot at winning D2 NT which would of been his first NT title). Anyone still think it was no big deal?

GC beat Sportsbulls in the E8. Always good to see the star of a hit movie movie show up for a cameo in the sequel.

Fair Play Vol. 2 has more action than the original, though perhaps less heart.

I did lose... he’s pretty loaded. He’s probably the best team in the nation. Benis will have a shot. If there’s some real cheating discovered by seble I’d be pretty fuckin ****** about that loss, but if not, he just had the better team this season.

The part that makes it hurt even more is that he beat me in recruiting for his stud (Jones), recruiting like 1000 miles away (which now seems fishy) after shoe pulled his schollie at Kansas.

I’d love to hear seble hop on this forum and clear the air on this scandal though.

I agree, Benis has a real shot.

Posted by beachhouse on 8/27/2020 7:16:00 PM (view original):
I agree, Benis has a real shot.

Beach on the other hand.. Dead in the water.

Best pun I could come up with.

Posted by gillispie1 on 8/27/2020 7:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by buddhagamer on 8/27/2020 2:32:00 PM (view original):
Grand Canyon is now ranked #1 going into the F4 and likely on auto-pilot now (and has a very good shot at winning D2 NT which would of been his first NT title). Anyone still think it was no big deal?

i never said it wasn't important - i am merely calling for an ounce of compassion for this theoretical dude i've never met. its not like you or me played ourselves in the NT in the midst of some dynasty run. or even some mediocre coach who frequents these forums. perhaps its my ignorance, but i have no idea who that coach is, and when i look at his resume, it is clear his capabilities are not sufficiently advanced for general concern that his actions might upset the competitive balance.

perhaps everything unknown ends up being the worst - that is irrelevant at the start of this thread. even if he ends up 1) knowing all about fair play, 2) cheated on purpose in a myriad of ways, 3) having 20 titles on another account - nobody knew that (or at least claimed to at the start), and yet, most participants were ready to string the guy up. a permanent ban from a game you really enjoy is a big deal to the person it is happening to.

an ounce of compassion, a bit of empathy, that is all i am calling for. of course its not OK to throw NT games. but i also have spent sufficient time contemplating that scenario to have reached a confident and independent conclusion. has this guy? was he really beyond redemption? again - maybe he he has, maybe he is. but folks in this thread appear not to know the answer to those questions and had no compassion anyway. that, IMO, is a problem.

Well I don't think people in this thread were applauding that he was perma banned. Most have said, Seble found evidence beyond just this one instance that warranted the ban. So I think most say, well sounds like it was a bunch of things. But no one knows for sure.

On the other hand, when sportsbulls was called out for his recruiting tactics, which included being reported, most did have that level of compassion or empathy that you're asking for.

Personally I was pretty surprised at the immediate ban. But for those who have been around awhile know, it's HARD to get banned. It took MikeT years to get banned for being an offensive butthole. It took MANY direct messages directly to Seble berating him to get the0nlyis banned. So from what I've seen, seble is pretty lenient with this stuff. He must have found something pretty egregious. Or maybe he screwed up big time, I dunno.

I’ve been playing HD for about a year now, and haven’t been too active on the forums. Maybe I’m just a glutton for juicy gossip, but I’m interested to hear what folks have been banned for in the past.

Man.... cannot think of anyone and I've been here for 5 or so years following forum daily. Cheaters are rare, and this community is probably my favorite out of any game I've ever played.