Posted by topdogggbm on 8/28/2020 2:48:00 PM (view original):
I'm not sure why anyone would think this is ok? I'm not trying to belittle anyone that tried this. But how can someone feel it's ok sitemailing an independent coach, a conversation between you and him only, working together to create a favorable outcome for you two only? I just don't understand
But having this thread tells me that it needs to be pinned, I agree. I'm a little shocked by this really
i totally hear you man, i was similarly baffled myself a dozen years ago. i did not see how anybody could fail to mentally take that concept to its logical conclusion - once they considered it seriously for the first time.
the experience was a little eye opening because even after substantial conversations with a lot of folks, private, low intensity ones, a lot of people disagreed it was even wrong. they thought this was a fun casual game and people should be able to play however they wanted. a lot of other people would start in a similar place, but would think about it for the first time, hear the story about the dozen BCS schools drafting in whatever world, something like that - and would go... yeah, i can see how taken to its logical conclusion, this has to go. but it was definitely a healthy mix of both.
this is what i was trying to get at with the blind spot stuff. casual folks may have never ever heard about fair play guidelines, or at least, may have never taken two minutes to consider their action (and yes, the guidelines should be stickied IMO, we've said this for a decade). even if they have, plenty will disagree at least until after they have thought about it at more than a superficial level (or at least they'll disagree its a 'big deal', more like driving 10mph over the limit), and some people aren't even on board after that. most can be convinced over time but there is definitely an attitude among folks like 'look im paying for this **** to have a little fun just leave me alone'. and i sympathize with that.
i don't agree with the conclusions reached by those folks, but i really struggle to say these alternative viewpoints, which are underpinned by an alternate set of values (casual fun over competition), are any less legitimate or reasonable or worthy of respect, than ours. i definitely consider myself by default more competitive than most, and i'm not sure my pro-competitive nature is necessarily the right answer here - i mean, i am not questioning if collusion should be allowed. im questioning under what standing i have to suggest we dictate to others than competition trumps casual fun, to tell them their values are wrong and mine are right. i'm questioning if we should do so and if we do how we can do so in a responsible, compassionate manner. i mean, i ultimately agree it had to be done, but this issue is really not as simple as it seems on its face. like me, dogg, you may need to actual hear it from the mouths of these people, i'd encourage you to engage with that sitemail guy you mentioned and try to genuinely understand his position, before pushing yours. until you can put yourselves in their shoes, you'll continue to be baffled by how others are reaching a different conclusion than you. i had to hear it from a dozen people before i could no longer write them off as idiots or cheaters, hopefully you can do better than me :)
8/28/2020 4:15 PM (edited)