Fewest AP to unlock a scholarship? Topic

I just unlocked a kid at 17 AP running 1 AP per cycle. I've unlocked at 1 AP per cycle before but never this fast at D3 on a D2 player. What's the fewest AP you can run to unlock a scholly (ignoring the auto unlock in the final day obviously)?
9/6/2020 11:28 AM
My first season at Kansas, I was recruiting some D2 jucos in second session, and one of them unlocked a scholarship under 10. I don’t know where exactly, because I had started at 10, and it was unlocked after one cycle.
9/6/2020 1:03 PM
Posted by sol_phenom3 on 9/6/2020 11:28:00 AM (view original):
I just unlocked a kid at 17 AP running 1 AP per cycle. I've unlocked at 1 AP per cycle before but never this fast at D3 on a D2 player. What's the fewest AP you can run to unlock a scholly (ignoring the auto unlock in the final day obviously)?
Time is a variable here. The later you wait on just about any Player X, the fewer APs you'll need to unlock them.

Can't say I've ever gotten one for under 17.
9/6/2020 2:06 PM
Posted by kcsundevil on 9/6/2020 2:06:00 PM (view original):
Posted by sol_phenom3 on 9/6/2020 11:28:00 AM (view original):
I just unlocked a kid at 17 AP running 1 AP per cycle. I've unlocked at 1 AP per cycle before but never this fast at D3 on a D2 player. What's the fewest AP you can run to unlock a scholly (ignoring the auto unlock in the final day obviously)?
Time is a variable here. The later you wait on just about any Player X, the fewer APs you'll need to unlock them.

Can't say I've ever gotten one for under 17.
You sure about this? I've never heard that before, I don't think it works this way.
9/6/2020 4:57 PM
Posted by Benis on 9/6/2020 4:57:00 PM (view original):
Posted by kcsundevil on 9/6/2020 2:06:00 PM (view original):
Posted by sol_phenom3 on 9/6/2020 11:28:00 AM (view original):
I just unlocked a kid at 17 AP running 1 AP per cycle. I've unlocked at 1 AP per cycle before but never this fast at D3 on a D2 player. What's the fewest AP you can run to unlock a scholly (ignoring the auto unlock in the final day obviously)?
Time is a variable here. The later you wait on just about any Player X, the fewer APs you'll need to unlock them.

Can't say I've ever gotten one for under 17.
You sure about this? I've never heard that before, I don't think it works this way.
I've had this argument with one of our friends benis. And I agree with you.... I don't think it changes one bit as time passes. But the other coach felt it did. I'd like to hear others input.

I always felt like it was based around division, talent, rank, and that's about it. And once that player has a threshold for what it takes, that's what it takes.

Now sure it's different per coach/team. So for example player X might cost a specific D1 school 30 AP and a D2 school 50 AP. But in this example I feel like the 30/50 would stay the same thru all recruiting cycles


9/6/2020 6:19 PM
Posted by Benis on 9/6/2020 4:57:00 PM (view original):
Posted by kcsundevil on 9/6/2020 2:06:00 PM (view original):
Posted by sol_phenom3 on 9/6/2020 11:28:00 AM (view original):
I just unlocked a kid at 17 AP running 1 AP per cycle. I've unlocked at 1 AP per cycle before but never this fast at D3 on a D2 player. What's the fewest AP you can run to unlock a scholly (ignoring the auto unlock in the final day obviously)?
Time is a variable here. The later you wait on just about any Player X, the fewer APs you'll need to unlock them.

Can't say I've ever gotten one for under 17.
You sure about this? I've never heard that before, I don't think it works this way.
Based on own experiences, I feel good about it.
9/6/2020 6:25 PM (edited)
Posted by kcsundevil on 9/6/2020 6:25:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Benis on 9/6/2020 4:57:00 PM (view original):
Posted by kcsundevil on 9/6/2020 2:06:00 PM (view original):
Posted by sol_phenom3 on 9/6/2020 11:28:00 AM (view original):
I just unlocked a kid at 17 AP running 1 AP per cycle. I've unlocked at 1 AP per cycle before but never this fast at D3 on a D2 player. What's the fewest AP you can run to unlock a scholly (ignoring the auto unlock in the final day obviously)?
Time is a variable here. The later you wait on just about any Player X, the fewer APs you'll need to unlock them.

Can't say I've ever gotten one for under 17.
You sure about this? I've never heard that before, I don't think it works this way.
Based on own experiences, I feel good about it.
How is that even trackable tho? The only way I could see verifying this, is maybe to put 5-10 AP on multiple players. And of those players, find 2 of them that are exactly the same unlock percentage on the scholarship bar.

say they both got to 20%. Unlock one then, and then unlock the other in RS2. I don't see how the results would be different.
9/6/2020 8:11 PM
Posted by topdogggbm on 9/6/2020 8:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by kcsundevil on 9/6/2020 6:25:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Benis on 9/6/2020 4:57:00 PM (view original):
Posted by kcsundevil on 9/6/2020 2:06:00 PM (view original):
Posted by sol_phenom3 on 9/6/2020 11:28:00 AM (view original):
I just unlocked a kid at 17 AP running 1 AP per cycle. I've unlocked at 1 AP per cycle before but never this fast at D3 on a D2 player. What's the fewest AP you can run to unlock a scholly (ignoring the auto unlock in the final day obviously)?
Time is a variable here. The later you wait on just about any Player X, the fewer APs you'll need to unlock them.

Can't say I've ever gotten one for under 17.
You sure about this? I've never heard that before, I don't think it works this way.
Based on own experiences, I feel good about it.
How is that even trackable tho? The only way I could see verifying this, is maybe to put 5-10 AP on multiple players. And of those players, find 2 of them that are exactly the same unlock percentage on the scholarship bar.

say they both got to 20%. Unlock one then, and then unlock the other in RS2. I don't see how the results would be different.
I don't understand why you see this kind of approach as so unrealistic.
9/6/2020 9:43 PM
Posted by kcsundevil on 9/6/2020 9:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by topdogggbm on 9/6/2020 8:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by kcsundevil on 9/6/2020 6:25:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Benis on 9/6/2020 4:57:00 PM (view original):
Posted by kcsundevil on 9/6/2020 2:06:00 PM (view original):
Posted by sol_phenom3 on 9/6/2020 11:28:00 AM (view original):
I just unlocked a kid at 17 AP running 1 AP per cycle. I've unlocked at 1 AP per cycle before but never this fast at D3 on a D2 player. What's the fewest AP you can run to unlock a scholly (ignoring the auto unlock in the final day obviously)?
Time is a variable here. The later you wait on just about any Player X, the fewer APs you'll need to unlock them.

Can't say I've ever gotten one for under 17.
You sure about this? I've never heard that before, I don't think it works this way.
Based on own experiences, I feel good about it.
How is that even trackable tho? The only way I could see verifying this, is maybe to put 5-10 AP on multiple players. And of those players, find 2 of them that are exactly the same unlock percentage on the scholarship bar.

say they both got to 20%. Unlock one then, and then unlock the other in RS2. I don't see how the results would be different.
I don't understand why you see this kind of approach as so unrealistic.
Someone explain how this scenario is tracking anything, please.

If I understand what KCSD is saying, a player would (or might) require fewer AP later in the recruiting process. I think the most straight forward way to test this is to look at a player kept at a consistent low level of AP; project out the unlocking cycle based on the first cycle or two of 1-2 AP, and see if it changes as it gets later in the process.

In my experience, this is not true at all. Players come in with a certain bar you have to meet in order to unlock recruiting actions, and that bar does not change. I’ve quite often given a player some early attention, left him alone, then come back to him later, and found him exactly where I’ve left him him in terms of how much AP required to unlock recruiting actions.

I suspect what some folks are seeing are different players; their backup options are typically requiring less attention to unlock. And it’s true that lower quality recruits do generally tend to require less attention, so if you’re going after your 1st, 2nd and 3rd choices, and then knocking on that last resort local kid’s door, yeah there’s a good chance he’s going to be easier to unlock. It’s not because he’s desperate, it’s because that’s how the system works, better players require more AP.

I am not 100% certain that I’ve got the correct interpretation, but it’s north of 90. I’d love to see examples with screenshots if others have hard evidence to the contrary.
9/6/2020 10:04 PM
Posted by kcsundevil on 9/6/2020 9:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by topdogggbm on 9/6/2020 8:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by kcsundevil on 9/6/2020 6:25:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Benis on 9/6/2020 4:57:00 PM (view original):
Posted by kcsundevil on 9/6/2020 2:06:00 PM (view original):
Posted by sol_phenom3 on 9/6/2020 11:28:00 AM (view original):
I just unlocked a kid at 17 AP running 1 AP per cycle. I've unlocked at 1 AP per cycle before but never this fast at D3 on a D2 player. What's the fewest AP you can run to unlock a scholly (ignoring the auto unlock in the final day obviously)?
Time is a variable here. The later you wait on just about any Player X, the fewer APs you'll need to unlock them.

Can't say I've ever gotten one for under 17.
You sure about this? I've never heard that before, I don't think it works this way.
Based on own experiences, I feel good about it.
How is that even trackable tho? The only way I could see verifying this, is maybe to put 5-10 AP on multiple players. And of those players, find 2 of them that are exactly the same unlock percentage on the scholarship bar.

say they both got to 20%. Unlock one then, and then unlock the other in RS2. I don't see how the results would be different.
I don't understand why you see this kind of approach as so unrealistic.
Maybe your prestige improved in the 2nd session and you saw the difference this way.

Or maybe you've seen changes in play style preferences as games are played.
9/6/2020 10:07 PM
Posted by Benis on 9/6/2020 10:07:00 PM (view original):
Posted by kcsundevil on 9/6/2020 9:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by topdogggbm on 9/6/2020 8:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by kcsundevil on 9/6/2020 6:25:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Benis on 9/6/2020 4:57:00 PM (view original):
Posted by kcsundevil on 9/6/2020 2:06:00 PM (view original):
Posted by sol_phenom3 on 9/6/2020 11:28:00 AM (view original):
I just unlocked a kid at 17 AP running 1 AP per cycle. I've unlocked at 1 AP per cycle before but never this fast at D3 on a D2 player. What's the fewest AP you can run to unlock a scholly (ignoring the auto unlock in the final day obviously)?
Time is a variable here. The later you wait on just about any Player X, the fewer APs you'll need to unlock them.

Can't say I've ever gotten one for under 17.
You sure about this? I've never heard that before, I don't think it works this way.
Based on own experiences, I feel good about it.
How is that even trackable tho? The only way I could see verifying this, is maybe to put 5-10 AP on multiple players. And of those players, find 2 of them that are exactly the same unlock percentage on the scholarship bar.

say they both got to 20%. Unlock one then, and then unlock the other in RS2. I don't see how the results would be different.
I don't understand why you see this kind of approach as so unrealistic.
Maybe your prestige improved in the 2nd session and you saw the difference this way.

Or maybe you've seen changes in play style preferences as games are played.
That's what I was thinking.
9/6/2020 10:32 PM
Play style changes would be tiny, if it works that way at all (I’m not convinced it does). Your play style doesn’t change much during the recruiting period, there aren’t enough games to significantly affect it at that point in the season. I really can’t see that moving the needle on a recruit’s threshold for unlocking actions, even a point.

Theoretically it’s possible a prestige change might affect the unlocking power of AP in the second session, but it’s still an open question as to whether prestige changes actually take effect at all in the second session - we know they’re supposed to, but lots of us are still struggling to find evidence of that being true. I certainly haven’t noticed it, but it could be that I haven’t been looking for it.
9/7/2020 12:18 AM
I'll send a ticket tomorrow unless someone else beats me to it. Not a big deal but might as well get some clarity.

Have a great Labor Day fellas. I've got my FF draft tomorrow, picking #2... all the experts say I have to take Barkley, but man I love watching Zeke in the open field.
9/7/2020 12:54 AM
Can't go wrong with either really! Just depends who stays healthy and on the field
9/7/2020 3:27 AM
If it's PPR I'm going Barkley for sure. That offensive line in NY is still real trash though..
9/7/2020 10:59 AM
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