Rule V #69 Draft Thread (Nice!) Topic

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Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the Marlins are the defending champions), and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good-natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on. Division alignment will be determined by the commissioner after team selection is complete. We will attempt to keep divisions as close to real life as possible. Geography will be the first factor, but we will also attempt to maintain traditional rivalries if possible.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1971-present) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first). Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data. Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1971-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
No AAA

No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise).
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series.
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1970 and present.
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first.

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

Glossary

He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season. The scumbag finally won a couple of championships. Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

(Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (emeritus)

Newest Entry: Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (has picked him in ten drafts)
10/13/2020 1:25 PM (edited)
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Returning Owners
  1. sinfonian11
  2. sakensei
  3. alice
  4. atheistdeals
  5. specsman
  6. fatguyrd
  7. buddhagamer
  8. alleyviper
  9. trenchfoot
  10. captmurphy
  11. spoonfed
  12. bob_shabazz
  13. tridentric
  14. rbow923
  15. Chisock
  16. mussopini23
  17. ff09
  18. justinlee_24
  19. nordawg
  20. pumpkinmcp
  21. nyyfannova05
  22. bigsteve12
  23. zephyr1949
Waitlist
  1. tjefferson
  2. deathdealer
10/13/2020 12:41 PM
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Cheno5 is not returning. tjefferson was in first to request a spot for next season, so he'll be back after an absence of several seasons. deathdealer is standing by if anyone has to drop out.

tridentric has let me know that he's traveling Wednesday-Friday of this week with limited access. Given that y'all have been very patient with me while I slogged through jury duty and a weekend trip of my own, here's what I think we'll do. Franchise draft will start shortly and continue untimed. We'll plan to start the first round of the player draft Monday morning with a timed schedule.

Thanks for your patience, and looking forward to another season!
10/13/2020 12:49 PM
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Franchise Draft Order (drafted teams listed in RED)
Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%
1 Rays 15 987 1443 0.4062
2 D'backs 28 2090 2446 0.4608
3 Tigers 38 2911 3247 0.4727
4 Pirates 35 2698 2972 0.4758
5 Rockies 21 1623 1780 0.4769
6 White Sox 20 1557 1683 0.4806
7 Twins 40 3130 3352 0.4829
8 Rangers 28 2200 2337 0.4849
9 Angels 29 2303 2396 0.4901
10 Brewers 36 2870 2966 0.4918
11 Marlins 29 2337 2363 0.4972
12 Orioles 38 3063 3094 0.4975
13 Blue Jays 46 3722 3732 0.4993
14 Expos 50 4051 4052 0.4999
15 Red Sox 50 4057 4044 0.5008
16 Padres 36 2923 2910 0.5011
17 Mariners 46 3745 3710 0.5023
18 Indians 48 3907 3870 0.5024
19 Phillies 44 3596 3535 0.5043
20 Reds 41 3372 3271 0.5076
21 Cubs 40 3292 3188 0.5080
22 Royals 45 3719 3574 0.5099
23 Giants 46 3806 3649 0.5105
24 Mets 45 3727 3564 0.5112
25 Braves 49 4070 3868 0.5127
26 Cardinals 50 4195 3906 0.5178
27 Yankees 46 3871 3581 0.5195
28 Dodgers 49 4155 3785 0.5233
29 A's 50 4299 3803 0.5306
30 Astros 49 4223 3716 0.5319
10/16/2020 2:50 PM (edited)
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Franchise Draft (untimed)
  1. bigsteve12 53-109 .327 San Diego Padres#
  2. fatguyrd 64-98 .395 New York Mets#
  3. spoonfed 64-98 .395 Boston Red Sox#
  4. tridentric 70-92 .432 Atlanta Braves#
  5. alice 75-87 .463 Cincinnati Reds#
  6. Chisock 76-86 .469 Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals#
  7. mussopini23 77-85 .475 Chicago Cubs#
  8. specsman 78-84 .481 Miami Marlins#
  9. alleyviper 79-83 .488 Los Angeles Dodgers#
  10. tjefferson 80-82 .494* Cleveland Indians#
  11. nyyfannova05 81-81 .500 New York Yankees#
  12. atheistdeals 82-80 .506 Houston Astros#
  13. nordawg 82-80 .506 Minnesota Twins#
  14. zephyr1949 83-79 .512 Toronto Blue Jays#
  15. ff09 85-77 .525 Oakland Athletics#
  16. buddhagamer 88-74 .543 Arizona Diamondbacks#
  17. sinfonian11 84-78 .519^ Chicago White Sox#
  18. justinlee_24 84-78 .519^ Milwaukee Brewers#
  19. pumpkinmcp 86-76 .531^ Philadelphia Phillies#
  20. rbow923 91-71 .562^ Colorado Rockies#
  21. bob_shabazz 94-68 .580^ Los Angeles Angels
  22. sakensei 98-64 .605^ St. Louis Cardinals#
  23. captmurphy 97-65 .599% Baltmore Orioles#
  24. trenchfoot 93-69 .574$ San Francisco Giants#
# third round keeper sent

* new owner
^ playoff team
% WS runner-up
$ WS champion

Division Alignment
NL East: Mets, Marlins, Expos/Nats, Phillies
NL Central: Braves, Cubs, Cardinals, Reds
NL West: Dodgers, Giants, Padres, Rockies
AL East: Blue Jays, Orioles, Red Sox, Yankees
AL Central: Brewers, Indians, Twins, White Sox
AL West: Angels, Astros, Athletics, Diamondbacks

Owner list for sitemailing: bigsteve12; fatguyrd; spoonfed; tridentric; alice; Chisock; mussopini23; specsman; alleyviper; tjefferson; nyyfannova05; atheistdeals; nordawg; zephyr1949; ff09; buddhagamer; sinfonian11; justinlee_24; pumpkinmcp; rbow923; bob_shabazz; sakensei; captmurphy; trenchfoot
10/22/2020 1:13 PM (edited)
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Player Draft First Round (timed schedule starts Monday 10/19)
  1. buddhagamer - Arizona Diamondbacks: Trevor Bauer - CIN
  2. rbow923 - Colorado Rockies: Orel Hershiser - LAD
  3. sinfonian11 - Chicago White Sox: Wade Boggs - BOS
  4. nordawg - Minnesota Twins: Yu Darvish - CHC
  5. bob_shabazz - Los Angeles Angels: Dinelson Lamet - SDP
  6. justinlee_24 - Milwaukee Brewers: Roger Clemens - HOU
  7. specsman - Miami Marlins: Aaron Nola - PHI
  8. captmurphy - Baltimore Orioles: Matt Harvey - NYM
  9. zephyr1949 - Toronto Blue Jays: Kevin Brown - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  10. Chisock - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Tom Seaver - CIN (Reds off the board)
  11. spoonfed - Boston Red Sox: Craig Biggio - HOU (Astros off the board)
  12. bigsteve12 - San Diego Padres: Nomar Garciaparra - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  13. tjefferson - Cleveland Indians: Juan Soto - MON/WSH
  14. pumpkinmcp - Philadelphia Phillies: Freddie Freeman - ATL
  15. alice - Cincinnati Reds: Kenny Lofton - CLE
  16. mussopini23 - Chicago Cubs: Joe Torre - STL
  17. trenchfoot - San Francisco Giants: Kenta Maeda - MIN
  18. fatguyrd - New York Mets: Jimmy Rollins - PHI (Phillies off the board)
  19. tridentric - Atlanta Braves: Paul O’Neill - New York Yankees
  20. sakensei - St. Louis Cardinals: Darrell Evans - ATL (Braves off the board)
  21. nyyfannova05 - New York Yankees: Chris Carpenter - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  22. alleyviper - Los Angeles Dodgers: DJ LeMahieu - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  23. ff09 - Oakland Athletics: Roberto Alomar - CLE (Indians off the board)
  24. atheistdeals - Houston Astros: John Olerud - TOR
Player Draft Second Round (timed schedule starts Wednesday 10/21)
  1. buddhagamer - Arizona Diamondbacks: Fred Lynn - BOS
  2. rbow923 - Colorado Rockies: Fernando Valenzuela - LAD
  3. sinfonian11 - Chicago White Sox: Robinson Cano - NYY
  4. nordawg - Minnesota Twins: Lenny Dykstra - PHI
  5. bob_shabazz - Los Angeles Angels: Fernando Tatis, Jr. - SDP
  6. justinlee_24 - Milwaukee Brewers: Adrian Beltre - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  7. specsman - Miami Marlins: Jason Giambi - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  8. captmurphy - Baltimore Orioles: Eric Davis - CIN
  9. zephyr1949 - Toronto Blue Jays: Kyle Hendricks - CHC
  10. Chisock - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Will Clark - SFG
  11. spoonfed - Boston Red Sox: Vladimir Guerrero - MON/WSH
  12. bigsteve12 - San Diego Padres: Yadier Molina - STL
  13. tjefferson - Cleveland Indians: AFTBOAT - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  14. pumpkinmcp - Philadelphia Phillies: Trevor Story - COL
  15. alice - Cincinnati Reds: Bobby Bonilla - NYM
  16. mussopini23 - Chicago Cubs: Gerrit Cole - HOU
  17. trenchfoot - San Francisco Giants: Jose Reyes - NYM (Mets off the board)
  18. fatguyrd - New York Mets: Miguel Cabrera - MIA
  19. tridentric - Atlanta Braves: Corbin Burnes - MIL
  20. sakensei - St. Louis Cardinals: Wilbur Wood - CHW
  21. nyyfannova05 - New York Yankees: Joey Votto - CIN (Reds off the board)
  22. alleyviper - Los Angeles Dodgers: Mark McGwire - OAK
  23. ff09 - Oakland Athletics: Victor Martinez - CLE
  24. atheistdeals - Houston Astros: Rick Wilkins - CHC (Cubs off the board)
Player Draft Third Round (timed schedule starts FRIDAY 10/23)
  1. buddhagamer - Arizona Diamondbacks: Ozzie Smith - STL
  2. rbow923 - Colorado Rockies: Andy Messersmith - LAD
  3. sinfonian11 - Chicago White Sox: Zack Greinke - HOU
  4. nordawg - Minnesota Twins: David Wright - NYM
  5. bob_shabazz - Los Angeles Angels: Aaron Judge - NYY
  6. justinlee_24 - Milwaukee Brewers: Rickey Henderson - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  7. specsman - Miami Marlins: Jose Ramirez - CLE
  8. captmurphy - Baltimore Orioles: Bob Ojeda - NYM (Mets off the board)
  9. zephyr1949 - Toronto Blue Jays: Gene Tenace - SDP
  10. Chisock - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Cesar Cedeno - HOU (Astros off the board)
  11. spoonfed - Boston Red Sox: Daniel Murphy - MON/WSH
  12. bigsteve12 - San Diego Padres: Keith Hernandez - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  13. tjefferson - Cleveland Indians: Javy Lopez - ATL
  14. pumpkinmcp - Philadelphia Phillies: Andre Dawson - MON/WSH (Expo/Nats off the board)
  15. alice - Cincinnati Reds: Tim Hudson - OAK
  16. mussopini23 - Chicago Cubs: Garrett Atkins - COL
  17. trenchfoot - San Francisco Giants: Rollie Fingers - MIL
  18. fatguyrd - New York Mets: Manny Ramirez - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  19. tridentric - Atlanta Braves: Liam Hendriks - OAK (Athletics off the board)
  20. sakensei - St. Louis Cardinals: Miguel Tejada - BAL
  21. nyyfannova05 - New York Yankees: Kevin Mitchell - CIN
  22. alleyviper - Los Angeles Dodgers: George Foster - CIN (Reds off the board)
  23. ff09 - Oakland Athletics: Bobby Abreu - PHI
  24. atheistdeals - Houston Astros: Ronald Acuna - ATL (Braves off the board)
10/24/2020 11:17 AM (edited)
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List of keepers/draft picks

buddhagamer - Arizona Diamondbacks: Luis Gonzalez, Paul Goldschmidt, Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Zack Greinke, Trevor Bauer - CIN, Ketel Marte, Fred Lynn - BOS, Daniel Hudson, Ozzie Smith - STL

rbow923 - Colorado Rockies: Todd Helton, Larry Walker, Troy Tulowitski, DJ LeMahieu, Nolan Arenado, Orel Hershiser - LAD, Ellis Burks, Fernando Valenzuela - LAD, Ubaldo Jimenez, Andy Messersmith - LAD

sinfonian11 - Chicago White Sox: Dick Allen, Frank Thomas, Dallas Keuchel, Lucas Giolito, Chris Sale, Wade Boggs - BOS, Albert Belle, Robinson Cano - NYY, Tim Anderson, Zack Greinke - HOU

nordawg - Minnesota Twins: Rod Carew, Chuck Knoblauch, Joe Mauer, Johan Santana, Kirby Puckett, Yu Darvish - CHC, Francisco Liriano, Lenny Dykstra - PHI, Bert Blyleven, David Wright - NYM

bob_shabazz - Los Angeles Angels: Garrett Richard, Frank Tanana, Jered Weaver, Mike Trout, Darin Erstad, Dinelson Lamet - SDP, Tim Salmon, Fernando Tatis, Jr., - SDP, Bobby Grich, Aaron Judge - NYY

justinlee_24 - Milwaukee Brewers: Mike Caldwell, Teddy Higuera, Christian Yelich, Robin Yount, Prince Fielder, Roger Clemens - HOU, Ryan Braun, Adrian Beltre - LAD, Devin Williams, Rickey Henderson - NYY

specsman - Miami Marlins: Gary Sheffield, Giancarlo Stanton, Mike Piazza, Kevin Brown, Jose Fernandez, Aaron Nola - PHI, Hanley Ramirez, Jason Giambi - NYY, Josh Johnson, Jose Ramirez - CLE

captmurphy - Baltimore Orioles: Brady Anderson, Jim Palmer, Cal Ripken, Jr., Chris Hoiles, Zach Britton, Matt Harvey - NYM, Bobby Grich, Eric Davis - CIN, Brooks Robinson, Bob Ojeda - NYM

zephyr1949 - Toronto Blue Jays: Roger Clemens, Jose Bautista, Carlos Delgado, Josh Donaldson, Tony Fernandez, Kevin Brown - LAD, Jimmy Key, Kyle Hendricks - CHC, Aaron Hill, Gene Tenace - SDP

Chisock - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Gary Carter, Bryce Harper, Tim Raines, Max Scherzer, Pedro Martinez, Tom Seaver - CIN, Anthony Rendon, Will Clark - SFG, Tim Burke, Cesar Cedeno - HOU

spoonfed - Boston Red Sox: Pedro Martinez, Chris Sale, Roger Clemens, Derek Lowe, Mookie Betts, Craig Biggio - HOU, Carlton Fisk, Vladimir Guerrero - MON/WSH, Andrew Miller, Daniel Murphy - MON/WSH

bigsteve12 - San Diego Padres: Kevin Brown, Jake Peavy, Mark Loretta, Ken Caminiti, Tony Gwynn, Nomar Garciaparra - BOS, Randy Jones, Yadier Molina - STL, Mike Adams, Keith Hernandez - STL

tjefferson - Cleveland Indians: Gaylord Perry, Shane Bieber, Corey Kluber, Albert Belle, Manny Ramirez, Juan Soto - MON/WSH, Jim Thome, AFTBOAT - STL, Zach Plesac, Javy Lopez - ATL

pumpkinmcp - Philadelphia Phillies: Steve Carlton, Curt Schilling, Mike Schmidt, Ryan Howard, Chase Utley, Freddie Freeman - ATL, Roy Halladay, Trevor Story - COL, Darren Daulton, Andre Dawson - MON/WSH

alice - Cincinnati Reds: HWMNBN, Joe Morgan, Johnny Bench, Barry Larkin, Johnny Cueto, Kenny Lofton - CLE, Jose Rijo, Bobby Bonilla - NYM, Mario Soto, Tim Hudson - OAK

mussopini23 - Chicago Cubs: Greg Maddux, Jake Arrieta, Sammy Sosa, Derrek Lee, Ryne Sandberg, Joe Torre - STL, Billy Williams, Gerrit Cole - HOU, Bruce Sutter, Garrett Atkins - COL

trenchfoot - San Francisco Giants: Barry Bonds, Buster Posey, Jeff Kent, Tim Lincecum, Jason Schmidt, Kenta Maeda - MIN, Mike Yastrzemski, Jose Reyes - NYM, Kevin Mitchell, Rollie Fingers - MIL

fatguyrd - New York Mets: Mike Piazza, Tom Seaver, Dwight Gooden, Pedro Martinez, Jacob DeGrom, Jimmy Rollins - PHI, John Olerud, Miguel Cabrera - MIA, Edgardo Alfonso, Manny Ramirez - LAD

tridentric - Atlanta Braves: Hank Aaron, Chipper Jones, Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Kevin Millwood, Paul O’Neill - NYY, Marcell Ozuna, Corbin Burnes - MIL, Chris Martin, Liam Hendriks - OAK

sakensei - St. Louis Cardinals: Ted Simmons, Mark McGwire, Albert Pujols, Willie McGee, John Tudor, Darrell Evans - ATL, Adam Wainwright, Wilbur Wood - CHW, Matt Carpenter, Miguel Tejada - BAL

nyyfannova05 - New York Yankees: Ron Guidry, Catfish Hunter, Dave Righetti, Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Chris Carpenter - STL, Bernie Williams, Joey Votto - CIN, Jorge Posada, Kevin Mitchell - CIN

alleyviper - Los Angeles Dodgers: Zack Greinke, Clayton Kershaw, Don Sutton, Mike Piazza, Cody Bellinger, DJ LeMahieu - NYY, Corey Seager, Mark McGwire - OAK, Tony Gonsolin, George Foster - CIN

ff09 - Oakland Athletics: Rickey Henderson, Jason Giambi, Vida Blue, Catfish Hunter, Mike Norris, Roberto Alomar - CLE, Marcus Semian, Victor Martinez - CLE, Jose Canseco, Bobby Abreu - PHI

atheistdeals - Houston Astros: Mike Scott, TSMOPOAT, Jeff Bagwell, Lance Berkman, Alex Bregman, John Olerud - TOR, Justin Verlander, Rick Wilkins - CHC, Randy Johnson, Ronald Acuna - ATL
10/24/2020 11:18 AM (edited)
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Nice, glad to get back at it. Minor nitpick/point of confusion--wouldn't it be 1971-2020 with the new season out now? Or am I counting wrong?
10/13/2020 1:21 PM
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Just going off the OP, are we going '70 - '20 or are we going to roll off '70 when adding '20?

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10/13/2020 1:22 PM
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Posted by alleyviper on 10/13/2020 1:23:00 PM (view original):
Just going off the OP, are we going '70 - '20 or are we going to roll off '70 when adding '20?

jinx
Good catch, guys. We're using the 50 most recent seasons, so this season will be 1971-2020. I'll correct the info at the top of the thread. I missed the release of the 2020 players. Sorry about that.
10/13/2020 1:24 PM
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Are we kicking off the franchise draft then? I'm so used to there being something in classifieds first lol.
10/13/2020 6:02 PM
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really hope the Hartford Whalers fall to me
10/13/2020 7:38 PM
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Posted by captmurphy on 10/13/2020 6:02:00 PM (view original):
Are we kicking off the franchise draft then? I'm so used to there being something in classifieds first lol.
Yes, we are. Last I checked bigsteve hadn’t opened my sitemail yet. Only had one opening and two people wanting it, so just skipped the classifieds this time.
10/13/2020 8:59 PM
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Yay the thread is up, just going to check my draft position and surely there will be a fantastic variety of teams to choose from... oh
10/13/2020 11:49 PM
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I'll start us off with the Padres
10/14/2020 6:50 AM
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