I mean your time is pretty good so if you can do that and pick in a decent time wtf is brad's problem

*kidding of course*

dammit Brad

I'm pretty happy with my team. My goal is to surpass my Savage 2 performance of 2 playoff teams. Might have a chance, but WIS usually proves me wrong

PG Damian Lillard/Jeff Teague/Jon Barry
SG Eddie Jones/Lillard/ Barry/Julius Erving/Teague
SF Erving/Montrezl Harrell/Jaren Jackson/Jerami Grant/Jones
PF Amare Stoudamire/Nerlens Noel/Harrell/Jackson/Grant
C Moses Malone/Tom Boerwinkle/Noel/Stoudamire

Positives: Should be above avg in Reb/eFG/depth (minutes) & usage. Should be OK in threes. Defense should be OK to above average, with the exception of PG.Should be nice mix of low post eFG and threes.

Negatives: Lack of assists, with a PG who likes to shoot first-pass 2nd. Low post defense with Amare and Boerwinkle vulnerable. Could have too many turnovers.

Feel free to react...with my history, I won't be offended.

Posted by amerk1180 on 11/8/2020 7:26:00 PM (view original):
I'm pretty happy with my team. My goal is to surpass my Savage 2 performance of 2 playoff teams. Might have a chance, but WIS usually proves me wrong

PG Damian Lillard/Jeff Teague/Jon Barry
SG Eddie Jones/Lillard/ Barry/Julius Erving/Teague
SF Erving/Montrezl Harrell/Jaren Jackson/Jerami Grant/Jones
PF Amare Stoudamire/Nerlens Noel/Harrell/Jackson/Grant
C Moses Malone/Tom Boerwinkle/Noel/Stoudamire

Positives: Should be above avg in Reb/eFG/depth (minutes) & usage. Should be OK in threes. Defense should be OK to above average, with the exception of PG.Should be nice mix of low post eFG and threes.

Negatives: Lack of assists, with a PG who likes to shoot first-pass 2nd. Low post defense with Amare and Boerwinkle vulnerable. Could have too many turnovers.

Feel free to react...with my history, I won't be offended.

That’s a pretty dang good inside-outside game. Not sure if I could justify playing the perimeter or paint and would probably set the positioning to 0...which is good news for both Dame and Amare

Without looking too closely it seems a little light on rebounding and defense - mine is too.

Posted by benhoidal on 11/8/2020 6:57:00 PM (view original):
Interesting points from the tables above:

- jpevans31 beats the top score from last season for median. 2 as a median is pretty incredible. Way to never slow down the draft!

- A number of owners were one bad pick away from having the best mean: robusk, ashamael, jpevans31, bds9992, benhoidal

- albiband0 finishing with better pick times in both categories than amerk1180 is hilarious to me.

- Overall, almost the exact same pace as Savage II. We were ahead of pace for a while but really slowed down. Average pick time was 81.3 instead of 81.7.

#1! #1! #1!!!!!!!
I never told you guys how I was going to pick so quickly, I just went out on that thread and did it!

I usually pick fairly quickly, but having that 'Rona means lately I've been able to refresh draft pages pretty ******* often...

Yeah I hope to avoid your best Dame team.
Does your goal of more than two playoff teams mean you are hoping to run five balanced teams?

Posted by dBKC on 11/8/2020 7:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by amerk1180 on 11/8/2020 7:26:00 PM (view original):
I'm pretty happy with my team. My goal is to surpass my Savage 2 performance of 2 playoff teams. Might have a chance, but WIS usually proves me wrong

PG Damian Lillard/Jeff Teague/Jon Barry
SG Eddie Jones/Lillard/ Barry/Julius Erving/Teague
SF Erving/Montrezl Harrell/Jaren Jackson/Jerami Grant/Jones
PF Amare Stoudamire/Nerlens Noel/Harrell/Jackson/Grant
C Moses Malone/Tom Boerwinkle/Noel/Stoudamire

Positives: Should be above avg in Reb/eFG/depth (minutes) & usage. Should be OK in threes. Defense should be OK to above average, with the exception of PG.Should be nice mix of low post eFG and threes.

Negatives: Lack of assists, with a PG who likes to shoot first-pass 2nd. Low post defense with Amare and Boerwinkle vulnerable. Could have too many turnovers.

Feel free to react...with my history, I won't be offended.

That’s a pretty dang good inside-outside game. Not sure if I could justify playing the perimeter or paint and would probably set the positioning to 0...which is good news for both Dame and Amare

A good amount to like. The only thing that kept my crappy S2 teams from 4-78 was the Rodman/Boerwinkle/Zo/Daugherty froncourt. You're going to have similar Def and Rebs to that, with muuuuuuuuch better scoring. Asts look like the biggest issue, defense/rebs in certain matchups could hurt. But if you mix and match well, I could see probably 3 strong teams.

Thanks for the feedback guys! Yeah, I know lack of dimes will be the biggest weakness. I thought of taking Muggsy with my last pick, but just couldn't take the D. Luckily Boerwinkle is an excellent passer, which should help a bit. To answer dBKC, yeah I tried to stay pretty balanced. Most Erving & Lillard seasons are very close. I don't THINK rebounding will be an issue, what with Moses & Boarwinkle manning the middle and Erving/Harrell being above avg rebounders for the 2 or 3.

Lillard is a guy I have never used because I usually feel like he plays too much like Iverson or Mookie, but he ALWAYS seemed to kick *** AGAINST me, so I wanted to see if he could do as well playing FOR me this time. We shall see....

Posted by jpevans31 on 11/8/2020 5:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tarheel1991 on 11/8/2020 4:31:00 PM (view original):
Or for a simpler commentary: the SIM often does not reflect real life very well. One way in which it does: Scottie Pippen is much better as an elite second banana than as the lead scorer for a team. I've rarely seen a team built around Pippen as the #1 scorer do well, and think yours will have the same issue.

That's probably my main concern. Team Usg and eFG% aren't as big deal in my mind. Collison averages about 20% across worlds. Millsap is 20-26, Hassan 20-23. T-Mac is high as hell, and except for his 02-03 will get be getting limited Scottie-backup minutes. O and West are usually both 13-16, but both have a season or 2 approaching 20. I've staggered all rotations to where it should be 110-98% always, and the time below 102 is minimal.
And, FG%... T-Mac and Terrell in 4/5 seasons are bad, but not utterly horrible. They're both in limited bench modes most seasons. Scottie and Millsap are both always decent, not great, but never an anchor. Collison is decent-good. Now, look at the eFG%s of the seasons I'll be using of guys like:
Hassan - 55.7, 62.1, 62.4, 60.5, 57.1
West - 61.4, 64.7, 55.1, 65.3, 62.5
Oliver - 60.9, 52.6, 58.8, 55.5
Nance - 58.4, 55.4, 59.6
Bobby - 55.9, 57, 57.8, 60.4, 58.1
Bowen - 57.1
Given that T-Mac/Terrell's weaker eFG% seasons will be low minutes, I think these guys can make up for it some. Edit: Just read the thing about 3s. I don't have any volume 3 guys, but Pip, Terrell, Collison, Nance, Millsap, Bowen, T-Mac all have years with a decent amount, and importantly, good 3pt%. If I mix and match well, I might be alright.
Reb% might hurt sometimes, but Pip/T-Mac (Bowen with 1 backup season) at SG, and Bobby/Nance (with some Millsap/ T-Mac's 02-03) at SF and Hassan could be ok. The main issue is if I lined up my weaker West/Oliver Reb seasons correctly to cover as much as possible. Both are decent ORebs, but both have weak/decent DReb seasons.
One little thing about IRL, since I'm a Pippen fan: 93-94, how did Scottie fare as the lead-dog over a full season? Yes, Scottie was best as Ultra-Robin, but in the right system, he did all-right. His best teammates were Horace, young-Kukoc and about-washed-Cartwright, and he almost made the Finals.

I think in its raw form it looks like a good eFG team, but you and goetz both have teams that worry me usage wise, I wonder if you might bump up against the floor when the rotation hits wrong. It looks like an average rebounding teams to me; maybe above average offensive rebounding and ever so slightly below average defensive rebounding. The assists are slightly below average. The defense is top five. The TO% looks really bad and the fouls might be bottom ten. Good eFG + low usage + medium rebounding + minus assists + great defense + bad fouls + bad turnovers = 14 - 22 range.

Not personal. Just my uninformed as a never been good owner in this format. I offer my assessment because you explicitly asked for feedback. Not because I want to argue with you since I think I am right. I have no idea what is right here.

jp, I’m a Pippen fan too! I think he doesn’t get nearly the credit he deserves for the success of those Bulls teams; Jordan couldn’t break through and get the title until Pip was playing at an all-star level. And the 93-94 Bulls definitely show how much talent those teams had around Jordan. But I will reiterate that a team with Pippen asked to carry the scoring load is probably going to struggle offensively, particularly one that is short on threes and won’t be boosted by assists.

Here’s how my own squad ended up:

PG: Oscar, Baron Davis
Wings: Iguodala, Mullin, Batum, Anderson, Person, West
PF: Hakeem, Embiid, West
C: Gobert, Dalembert

Like I said before, I think it went about as well as it could after starting with Hakeem. Having mediocre efg% from my two lead dogs (Oscar and Hakeem) may well be my downfall, although both make up for it some with plenty of FT at a good percentage. The wing rotation gives me a ton of options; frankly the toughest part is going to be figuring out how to use all of the best wing minutes across the five teams.

In the end, I like the build, but I’m worried we might not be good enough at anything to be more than just an above-average squad. The good news is I should be very well equipped to handle teams built around post scorers, with Hakeem/Gobert/Embiid comprising an imposing front line.

Posted by longtallbrad on 11/8/2020 1:53:00 AM (view original):

Posted by longtallbrad on 11/8/2020 1:51:00 AM (view original):

Posted by 20ks on 11/7/2020 5:21:00 PM (view original):
Friend of the Devil I would put in the top 10, but 3?

Make your case, my dude.

Actually, upon reflection I'll move it down to maybe 4, below Box of Rain, Ripple, and Uncle John's Band. I reserve the right to further revision.

Stella Blue, Box of Rain, Ripple, Uncle John's Band, Brokedown Palace, Casey Jones, Attics of My Life, Shakedown Street, Eyes of the World with Friend plunked right in the middle.

Posted by jpevans31 on 11/8/2020 11:28:00 AM (view original):
Usg, yes. Whiteside, Pippen, Millsap, Terrell are all always 20-28. T-Mac is always high, usually above 30. Collison is usually around 20, Bobby Jones and Nance Jr 16-18. Oliver and West have a couple above 17-19, usually 13-16. Bowen is low, but only gonna use him as a 10MPG guy in one season, have no min planned for Smith.
Ast%, I should be alright as a team. Pip, Collison and Terrell are generally good. Millsap, Nance Jr and Bobby are above-average for their position/Usg. T-Mac is decent. Oliver has some above 10% seasons. I'll always have at least 3 of those guys on the floor.

Fair enough! I just wondered whether Pippen was going to be your highest usage starter, but McGrady definitely has great (and high-usage) season and Terrell has one or two as well. I may be underestimating Millsap in that regard and I've never looked at Nance, Jr.'s numbers. So, yeah, it's quite possible I don't know what I'm talking about.

We don’t have league numbers yet, right? Just checking, no hurry. But I’m probably going to shuffle my wing seasons around a few dozen times once we can actually set up the depth charts, lol.