Posted by bronxcheer on 11/5/2020 7:45:00 AM (view original):
Harmon Killebrew
Dave Righetti
Jerry Koosman
Reggie Jackson

Great...just traded for Reggie and Righetti in the same trade...they were decent for my 2nd half 1982 but have them in a progressive. I really NEED Righetti to be good for a few years.

BTW..totally agree with Pujols...im a diehard Cardinal fan and he just never seems to dominate. Joe Medwick on the other hand 1937 is a doubles beast.

Joe Morgan

A couple of other players that I keep using hoping they'll turn it around someday:

• 2000 Carlos Delgado
• 1993 Chris Hoiles
• 2019 Nolan Arenado
• 1991/1994 Brett Butler
• 1997 Craig Biggio
• 1964/1966 Ron Santo
• 1981 Fernando Valenzuela
• 1985 John Tudor
• 1968 Dave McNally
• 1976 Frank Tanana

Having some success with 85 Fernando as a long reliever & Spot Starter 11/29 Games 2-1-2, 3.68/.232/1.30 29.1 IP

Posted by fatguyrd on 11/7/2020 2:05:00 PM (view original):
Having some success with 85 Fernando as a long reliever & Spot Starter 11/29 Games 2-1-2, 3.68/.232/1.30 29.1 IP

For the money, '81 Fernando should be an ace!

I would add any season of Mike Trout to this list. What's the deal SIM?!

Posted by Got_Worms on 11/7/2020 12:18:00 PM (view original):
A couple of other players that I keep using hoping they'll turn it around someday:

• 2000 Carlos Delgado
• 1993 Chris Hoiles
• 2019 Nolan Arenado
• 1991/1994 Brett Butler
• 1997 Craig Biggio
• 1964/1966 Ron Santo
• 1981 Fernando Valenzuela
• 1985 John Tudor
• 1968 Dave McNally
• 1976 Frank Tanana

If the 1985 John Tudor doesn't perform well for you I think you must be cursed ... he's always been money for me

Many times I see how the player is used is the problem. Pete Alonso in Petco vs deadball pitching? Talk about setting up a guy to fail...

Many RH power hitters struggle. They face primarily RH pitching that don't surrender many HR. Why do their failures surprise you? This is math, not baseball...

You must do what works, not what you want to work. You gotta be like Spock (b. 2230), not Kirk...

Joe Morgan walked a lot, and stole bases. He never hit a ton of doubles or triples. Against good arms his steals are nullified. Good pitching and defense will lower his OBP and HR totals. I've had success with '77 and '82, but yeah his big seasons rarely put up eye popping numbers. Refer to the pitching he is facing in higher cap leagues as to why...

'85 Fernando is a 1.15 WHIP, hardly an ace. He is fine for progressives, but subpar for open or many themes. A sentimental choice that doesn't perform here like in real life.

Melancon is a dandy reliever with good performance history numbers. Not sure why some struggle with him frequently...I see some using very high priced bullpens. Perhaps the rest of your team isn't sturdy enough to get him proper work, or you play in Coors...

kIdding...Melancon really is hit or miss, except his cheap 30 inning season.

Posted by combalt on 11/7/2020 9:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Got_Worms on 11/7/2020 12:18:00 PM (view original):
A couple of other players that I keep using hoping they'll turn it around someday:

• 2000 Carlos Delgado
• 1993 Chris Hoiles
• 2019 Nolan Arenado
• 1991/1994 Brett Butler
• 1997 Craig Biggio
• 1964/1966 Ron Santo
• 1981 Fernando Valenzuela
• 1985 John Tudor
• 1968 Dave McNally
• 1976 Frank Tanana

If the 1985 John Tudor doesn't perform well for you I think you must be cursed ... he's always been money for me

John Tudor used to be great, but that was before dynamic salaries went into effect.

Posted by DoctorKz on 11/8/2020 12:04:00 PM (view original):
Many times I see how the player is used is the problem. Pete Alonso in Petco vs deadball pitching? Talk about setting up a guy to fail...

Many RH power hitters struggle. They face primarily RH pitching that don't surrender many HR. Why do their failures surprise you? This is math, not baseball...

You must do what works, not what you want to work. You gotta be like Spock (b. 2230), not Kirk...

Fully agree with Doc on this. Trout is a stud in RL but in this HR crazy era....not sure he is THAT much better than guys who put up similar numbers. I know normalization occurs but I seldom see current guys do well vs. earlier guys.

My bigger debate with all this was BBs. When 90 Eck walked like 4 guys in 80 RL innings he was throwing a lot of strikes yet he almost always BBs 2x vs. RL. When he faces Bonds who has high BBs (largely due to IBB and pitch arounds, not poor pitcher control) vs. having a great batting eye...what matters? Seems like many hitters achieve their RL BBs, and pitchers seem to always exceed their BB totals.

So net, when a control pitcher faces a high BB lineup. He seems to lose his "control". I would think it to be the actual opposite. You could say hitters swing at fewer bad balls but.....

Posted by Got_Worms on 11/9/2020 11:25:00 AM (view original):

Posted by combalt on 11/7/2020 9:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Got_Worms on 11/7/2020 12:18:00 PM (view original):
A couple of other players that I keep using hoping they'll turn it around someday:

• 2000 Carlos Delgado
• 1993 Chris Hoiles
• 2019 Nolan Arenado
• 1991/1994 Brett Butler
• 1997 Craig Biggio
• 1964/1966 Ron Santo
• 1981 Fernando Valenzuela
• 1985 John Tudor
• 1968 Dave McNally
• 1976 Frank Tanana

If the 1985 John Tudor doesn't perform well for you I think you must be cursed ... he's always been money for me

John Tudor used to be great, but that was before dynamic salaries went into effect.

1985 John Tudor on my Round 2 WISC $120 mil team at the Palace:

44GS

13-10 W-L

245.1IP

2.93ERA

.236OAV

1.16 WHIP

4.00 K/9

2.05 BB/9

Posted by The_Creeper on 11/11/2020 8:07:00 AM (view original):

Posted by DoctorKz on 11/8/2020 12:04:00 PM (view original):
Many times I see how the player is used is the problem. Pete Alonso in Petco vs deadball pitching? Talk about setting up a guy to fail...

Many RH power hitters struggle. They face primarily RH pitching that don't surrender many HR. Why do their failures surprise you? This is math, not baseball...

You must do what works, not what you want to work. You gotta be like Spock (b. 2230), not Kirk...

Fully agree with Doc on this. Trout is a stud in RL but in this HR crazy era....not sure he is THAT much better than guys who put up similar numbers. I know normalization occurs but I seldom see current guys do well vs. earlier guys.

My bigger debate with all this was BBs. When 90 Eck walked like 4 guys in 80 RL innings he was throwing a lot of strikes yet he almost always BBs 2x vs. RL. When he faces Bonds who has high BBs (largely due to IBB and pitch arounds, not poor pitcher control) vs. having a great batting eye...what matters? Seems like many hitters achieve their RL BBs, and pitchers seem to always exceed their BB totals.

So net, when a control pitcher faces a high BB lineup. He seems to lose his "control". I would think it to be the actual opposite. You could say hitters swing at fewer bad balls but.....

That's why I've started using 1992 Dennis Eckersley instead of 1990 version. He's a fraction of the cost and performs just as well.

'82 Rickey Henderson has been disappointing for me on multiple occasions.