Rank___	Owner__________	League 1___	League 2___	League 3___	League 4__	League 5__
1 (60)	dBKC	13	10	10	12	15
2 (58)	pexetera	18	9	13	6	12
3 (56)	jpevans31	10	11	12	12	11
3	robusk	12	14	9	9	12
5 (55)	jhsukow	12	12	11	14	6
6 (54)	amerk1180	12	15	5	12	10
7 (53)	jkaye24	10	8	13	11	11
7	gerryred	6	11	12	11	13
9 (52)	20ks	12	12	10	8	10
10 (50)	dh555	12	8	10	10	10
11 (48)	ashamael	9	9	11	10	9
11	benhoidal	7	11	11	7	12
13 (47)	longtallbrad	10	11	9	8	9
13	tarheel1991	5	11	8	11	12
15 (46)	bds9992	9	9	6	10	12
16 (45)	albiband0	12	10	14	3	6
17 (44)	jcred5	12	10	6	9	7
18 (43)	24kpyrite	8	7	11	13	4
19 (42)	Midge	7	8	7	11	9
19	mikee1	9	5	11	10	7
21 (37)	goetz93	5	6	10	10	6
22 (35)	NotoriousJ	5	9	9	5	7
22	cmcafeeky	8	6	4	9	8
24 (34)	zora4preside	5	6	6	7	10

Rank___	Owner__________	League 1___	League 2___	League 3___	League 4__	League 5__
1 (67)	dBKC	15	12	11	13	16
2 (64)	pexetera	19	9	15	8	13
3 (62)	jpevans31	11	11	14	13	13
3	robusk	13	16	10	10	13
5 (60)	jhsukow	13	14	11	15	7
5	gerryred	7	11	14	13	15
5	amerk1180	13	16	6	13	12
8 (58)	jkaye24	10	8	15	13	12
9 (56)	20ks	13	13	11	9	10
9	dh555	14	9	12	10	11
11 (54)	ashamael	11	10	11	12	10
12 (53)	benhoidal	8	13	12	8	12
12	longtallbrad	11	12	9	10	11
14 (52)	tarheel1991	5	13	9	13	12
15 (50)	jcred5	13	12	7	11	7
15	bds9992	10	10	6	11	13
17 (48)	albiband0	13	10	16	3	6
18 (47)	Midge	9	9	8	11	10
18	24kpyrite	8	8	12	13	6
20 (44)	mikee1	10	5	12	10	7
21 (42)	goetz93	7	7	11	10	7
22 (40)	NotoriousJ	5	11	10	6	8
23 (39)	zora4preside	6	7	6	8	12
24 (36)	cmcafeeky	8	6	4	9	9

David Robinson with the 15th pick. Amazing. That's who I was trying to grab last season with the 12th pick, but he went at 11 to amerk. But going at 15th will be hard to beat.

Doesn’t sBKC have the highest average finishing position the last two seasons (for owners who played both)? I think dBKC is hard to beat regardless of who he drafts in the first.

Jpevans drafted Pippen and f’ing Hassan Whiteside with his first two picks and yet has the highest point differential across all five worlds.

dBKC drafts well in most every round which makes him a strong contender in most leagues I'm in with him, made even more impressive given he does it with note cards. That said, I assume you didn't mean to be taken literally that he does well regardless of who he drafts in the first. Although, it would be interesting to see if he would get the same results with Bob Cousy as his first pick. (plug to dB's Albatross league) Maybe a good question to ask would be... to what extent does your first round pick effect the outcome? Quite a bit I think. 20% of your results could probably be attributed to your 1st round pick.

What I was saying was that to the extent your 1st round pick effects the outcome, then it makes teams that much harder to beat when players like David Robinson fall to 15. In dBKC's case, Robinson at 15 was a gift. Given Robinson's true draft value in a league like this, I'd be surprised to learn if dBKC was even considering anyone else at that draft spot. In JPs case, Pippen is not a 1st round draft pick IMO. But neither Pippen nor Whiteside are bad picks, every minute they give is playable and strong. But there were better picks still available at the time that gave even more minutes that are equally strong. JP also made strong picks in most other rounds, which contribute to the positive outcome.

Buddy Hield may bolster my weaker offensive teams........or not. Let's find out

Seems like most of my teams are hitting a wall, probably regressing to the middle of the pack.
As far as my drafting, I knew that there were better SIM guys in the pool, but I like drafting guys I rooted for, or if they were before my time, what I hear their play-style was. If I'm just picking based off of the #s, it's not me picking, it's the stats picking. Where's the fun in that? That's why I'm a weak drafter compared to most. I think my strength is rotation and game-planning anyways, so I'm going to grab dudes that I think should fit in the kinds of teams I like. That's why you'll never see me draft Melo, and some guys, like Ewing, I'll only take if they're around way after they should be. This is essentially fantasy drafting, my fantasy teams aren't entirely dictated by the numbers. (I enjoyed rooting against guys like Shaq, Kareem and LeBron IRL, but I liked watching 'em play, and they're too good to bypass).The thing I'm still trying to get better on is a way to win with my team-building approach. It'll happen, eventually.

Posted by pexetera on 11/30/2020 1:11:00 PM (view original):
dBKC drafts well in most every round which makes him a strong contender in most leagues I'm in with him, made even more impressive given he does it with note cards. That said, I assume you didn't mean to be taken literally that he does well regardless of who he drafts in the first. Although, it would be interesting to see if he would get the same results with Bob Cousy as his first pick. Maybe a good question to ask would be... to what extent does your first round pick effect the outcome? Quite a bit I think. 20% of your results could probably be attributed to your 1st round pick.

What I was saying was that to the extent your 1st round pick effects the outcome, then it makes teams that much harder to beat when players like David Robinson fall to 15. In dBKC's case, Robinson at 15 was a gift. Given Robinson's true draft value in a league like this, I'd be surprised to learn if dBKC was even considering anyone else at that draft spot. In JPs case, Pippen is not a 1st round draft pick IMO. But neither Pippen nor Whiteside are bad picks, every minute they give is playable and strong. But there were better picks still available at the time that gave even more minutes that are equally strong. JP also made strong picks in most other rounds, which contribute to the positive outcome.

I think my point was that you seem to be attributing dBKC being ahead of you in the standings because he lucked out and got Robinson in the first, which seems like a pretty dick way of giving yourself an out for being behind him.

My point was that I suspect he could have picked any number of other reasonable picks in that spot and still be doing quite well. dBKC is doing well because he is good at this format, not because of luck.

nah, I wasn't saying that at all. nor did I actually say that.

Posted by pexetera on 11/30/2020 1:51:00 PM (view original):
nah, I wasn't saying that at all. nor did I actually say that.

Agreed, pex said dB drafts well in every round.

Posted by pexetera on 11/30/2020 1:51:00 PM (view original):
nah, I wasn't saying that at all. nor did I actually say that.

Lol. You know what you were doing.

Sorry, jhsukow. Not true. But I understand that the bad stuff is easier to believe. I was only saying that a top player falling in the draft makes teams harder to beat. And if Lebron had fallen to the 6th pick, would we not also say that was an advantage to whoever drafted him at 6? Nothing about it is luck. He didn't have to pick Robinson at 15, he chose Robinson because he knows that was the best pick by a wide margin at the 15th spot. And to the extent that a strong first round pick contributes to your teams success.. that was a strong pick. It seems obvious to me if you take it at face value and don't read into it.

dBKC and I have a mutual respect for one another that was earned on both sides. I'm not going to be made out to be a dick for something I didn't say. Find someone else to strawman.

It’s all good guys, let’s move on. Pex, I do have a good deal of respect for you and I’m sure it’ll go down to the wire. There are quite a few sleeper teams that could beat both of us too tbh.

It's true, Pex said what he meant.

"dBKC drafts well in most every round which makes him a strong contender in most leagues I'm in with him, made even more impressive given he does it with note cards."

-pexetera, within the last few days


The suggested dig would not apply based on this, which is contradictory to the notion of any first round advantage by anyone higher in the order.

Anyone who thinks such a dig exists is mistaken, possibly because they did not read this line.