Keep the sharks out of the kiddie pool is right. The veterans are feasting off the newbies in OL. They amass credits, play for free and beat up the newcomers (driving them away from the game). We need new people to bring in revenue so the site can prosper.

I don't necessarily agree with the above statements on OL's and keeping veterans away from the newbies. I think there are some owners who probably try to pry on the fresh meat, but I love to spend my time in OL's offering advice, encouraging new owners to ask questions, and help them understand different things.

I think just better instructions and encouraging owners to check out the FAQ threads in the forums would be great. Right now, new owners are put at an extremely unlevel playing field due to the current recommendations for PA/IP and absolutely no information regarding normalization.

What should those numbers be in the draft center? Right now its 1500 IP and 6000 PA.

Think of the bottom of the barrel new player, if they didn't know how to use $200k players to soak up innings in blow outs or utilize their AAA's properly... what do you think the recommended IP/PA should be in the draft center.

Thanks!

Adam

Posted by adlorenz on 12/8/2020 4:17:00 PM (view original):
What should those numbers be in the draft center? Right now its 1500 IP and 6000 PA.

Think of the bottom of the barrel new player, if they didn't know how to use $200k players to soak up innings in blow outs or utilize their AAA's properly... what do you think the recommended IP/PA should be in the draft center.

Thanks!

Adam

1,300 IP and 5,200 PA

With the built in 10% buffer already, that's more than enough for anyone, even without AAA or even if they choose a hitter-friendly park like Coors. That would go a VERY LONG WAY towards helping new owners be competitive from the get go. But if you're afraid that's cutting too close (I don't think it is), you could even add a small note that if they choose a hitter friendly park, they may want to have a little buffer and take another 50-100 IP and 200-400 PA.

Posted by just4me on 12/8/2020 4:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by adlorenz on 12/8/2020 4:17:00 PM (view original):
What should those numbers be in the draft center? Right now its 1500 IP and 6000 PA.

Think of the bottom of the barrel new player, if they didn't know how to use $200k players to soak up innings in blow outs or utilize their AAA's properly... what do you think the recommended IP/PA should be in the draft center.

Thanks!

Adam

1,300 IP and 5,200 PA

With the built in 10% buffer already, that's more than enough for anyone, even without AAA or even if they choose a hitter-friendly park like Coors. That would go a VERY LONG WAY towards helping new owners be competitive from the get go. But if you're afraid that's cutting too close (I don't think it is), you could even add a small note that if they choose a hitter friendly park, they may want to have a little buffer and take another 50-100 IP and 200-400 PA.

Agree with this 100%.

I think adding a note to recommend they visit the pinned FAQ threads in the SLB forums would be great as well. So many new owners show up with 1600ip and 6500pa and they’re immediately doomed to have a horrible season

what if in the draft center their was a hyperlink to the previous OL’s WS teams to give the new owner an idea of what those rosters looked like

A link to the FAQ or the Advice for Newbies (or both) forum threads would be huge along with the reduced recommendation

Posted by winnetka1 on 12/7/2020 7:05:00 PM (view original):
Keep the sharks out of the kiddie pool is right. The veterans are feasting off the newbies in OL. They amass credits, play for free and beat up the newcomers (driving them away from the game). We need new people to bring in revenue so the site can prosper.

A few of us have managed to resurrect the Champions leagues, where veterans should be flocking to play an Open league format. These pay 6,000 credits, 3x what you get as a veteran in Open leagues. They are fun, and very competitive...

We are filling the 6th Champs league. 3 have been crowned, 2 are in progress. They had been dormant since 2012...

Folks are still going to play Open leagues. Many of us give advice while doing so. I don't see enjoying them as a disservice. Perhaps try to persuade players who only play Open leagues to try their hand at something more challenging...I've tried to explain to many the much better payouts the Champs leagues offer, with mixed results...

btw, I've played over 1,000 full seasons, and have not played for free...I spend more than many here...if/when I do play for free, it's usually from theme founder credits.

Perhaps give us a few additional salary cap options over in the Champs leagues...that might draw interest.


How about adding a $60M, $110M and $140M, and throw in a high cap as well?

Progressives need their own TOC. Long overdue

Waiver wire leagues need a separate pool of players. They kill all other leagues' opportunities from finding any worthwhile available players.

Posted by just4me on 12/8/2020 4:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by adlorenz on 12/8/2020 4:17:00 PM (view original):
What should those numbers be in the draft center? Right now its 1500 IP and 6000 PA.

Think of the bottom of the barrel new player, if they didn't know how to use $200k players to soak up innings in blow outs or utilize their AAA's properly... what do you think the recommended IP/PA should be in the draft center.

Thanks!

Adam

1,300 IP and 5,200 PA

With the built in 10% buffer already, that's more than enough for anyone, even without AAA or even if they choose a hitter-friendly park like Coors. That would go a VERY LONG WAY towards helping new owners be competitive from the get go. But if you're afraid that's cutting too close (I don't think it is), you could even add a small note that if they choose a hitter friendly park, they may want to have a little buffer and take another 50-100 IP and 200-400 PA.

This still isn't right, IMO.

1,300 IP for a new player will lead to a ton of fatigue death spirals. The right number should be 1,450 (162 * 9 = 1,458). Adding a note that says expert players go much lower should be enough and give them something to work for. If you combine this with the suggestion of a "beginner's league" that isolates newbies from vets, recommending a number like 1,300 becomes less important for competitive reasons since everyone will be new. Then, they'll learn over time and understand there will be a learning curve when they "graduate" to regular leagues.

The PA recommendation is about right, but it'd be more useful to recommend a per position number. This makes it more actionable for new players. Oh, I need 650 PAs for each position, cool (rather than, ok I need 5,200 between my starters and bench)

Posted by DoctorKz on 12/8/2020 5:41:00 PM (view original):
Progressives need their own TOC. Long overdue

Yeah, this is why it makes sense to create a "league type" for progressives. Impossible to do this otherwise

Oh man, look what I started lol. I assure I am looking at a lot of these things and have been reading your forums, even though I don't comment a ton.

I saw this as a code change even I could handle, (I haven't developed in 10 years). It would have immediate impact on our new players. So given ozomatli's numbers and the 10% stamina buffer is 1400 reasonable for IP... 1400 + 140 = 1540 and 162*9 = 1458. Will we get "death spirals" at 80 extra innings?

It took me 3 OLs and 300 losses before accidentally stumbling upon advanced search and normalization tools. There's still no literature on this for newbs to easily be made aware of upon arrival or helps hints of hey Alonso's 50 HRs may not be the same for you, except peer rival/customer posts which we may not know to look for or easily find while initially attempting to wander the halls. I am thankful to those who pay money to pay forward things that should've already been there from the company, and no small wonder rather than persevere like I'm trying to that many newbs take their initial beat downs and disappear. Perhaps WIS bottom line is more appreciative of OL sharks and their too frequent single team copycat cookie cutter W/L success and trophy accumulation to bother with attracting and retaining new clientele.

You're supplying AAA. 1,400 is way too protective. They'lI never learn without some danger. Scale it back a bit. 1,350 would be fair.

Add in the notes/cautions mentioned above about how to structure a basic roster. The links to the pinned threads is a must...