Posted by adlorenz on 12/12/2020 6:58:00 PM (view original):
I don't disagree with a lot of that DeBeque, but I would say it's not that simple.
So, let's talk about this, there are teams that operate in the open having 2 schools in the same world, pretty much harmlessly. There are probably more that operate in darkness as well. I could spend my rotations, using the tools I have to find all these accounts, but wouldn't you rather me respond to this issues reactively and have new features and focus on bringing new users to the game where these two account users would be diluted in a sea of players.
I am generally in the camp of shoe on this one. We have a dying game (that is a fact), In a perfect world, yes, there wouldn't be users with two account in the same world, let alone division. "But don’t get lost in the letter of the law. Focus on benefit and harm." It would be pretty obvious to see if these users with multiple team were sharing information based on where recruits are signed, etc.
In this case, the FPG have been around for awhile and probably need to be reexamined. I'll be honest with you all I've known of emy since my first season, but I had no idea that was his account as well, I would gander at the forums from time to time but I would mostly live in my own world. The optics on the situation aren't great and you are right DeBeque, there needs to be transparency about these accounts (which emy has done), and probably a good middle ground is looking at updating the guidelines to include 1000 miles between schools and not in the same division, so there is not direct competition between schools. An update to the job application process would remove the need for crossover years, which I would see as an excuse users might use.
Either way I appreciate the conversations in this thread, I have spoken the GD thread that if you think there is cheating going on never hesitate to email me at [email protected].
i appreciate your reasonableness, but frankly i just don't think its practical anymore. i agree with basically everything you said, and i think a calm, rational look at the situation backs most of it up (this is a small game, CS has better things to do that pursue marginal stuff, the biggest risk of cheating is from those operating in the dark, etc, etc).
however, i've come around to thinking it is like holding back the tide. people are too emotional about this stuff and too few are swayed by reason. it would be great if the game could stay casual in this regard, but i think it really turns off some of these sort of black-and-whiters who are just inherently opposed to any shades of gray.
i think the current thread is a perfect example of the hopelessness of our situation. on one hand, you have emy coaching 2 teams in a d2 - a coach who has been openly running 2 accounts for 15 years or so (longer than the 12 i've been here), a top tier coach who has never been accused of anything. lately his forum presence has mostly consisted of giving back an endless rash of teams to folks who forgot to renew. he's coaching one of his teams in alaska - a perch known for being among the hardest in the game. it was clearly picked up for an extra challenge, not for collusion, and sits a whopping 3000+ miles away from his other team. he's coaching in the lower divisions which have practically become a wasteland, and there has been *absolutely* no suggestion of impropriety between the teams. this is arguably the least offensive situation one could devise.
on the other hand, you have not just a handful of new coaches running on emotions, but a thread from a veteran with 10+ titles himself. a veteran who actively participates in the community (usually in a positive way), who has started a bunch and participated in plenty more of these threads, who knows *everything* you just said to be true - but still goes around stirring the pot. i'd almost guarantee you could find a post from him in those 'crap i forgot to renew' threads telling emy that he would tell these guys to shove it and that its admirable emy is willing to turn over so many jobs.
so here we are - if a long term veteran who knows the size and state of the game can't be won over (and note - there was no rational argument in anything he posted - its the exact same dump of emotions you'd get from a rookie on their first day), to the point where he's upset that an ex-military hall of famer could possibly be using his 3000 mile away, tough-as-nails fairbanks alaska perch to somehow benefit his other team in some nebulous, totally unspecified way... what chance do we have? he even openly admits he has no problem with emy and doubts emy is doing anything improper - but still, there is this thread. most cases are far less black and white than this one, and there's always new coaches coming in.
just get rid of multiple team allowance, with some token for the folks impacted by it. its arguably bad for the game and its arguably stupid on the merits, but man, to not have to listen to these stupid threads for the rest of time... for your own sanity, i think its probably time. i always hate to let the whiners win but there has to be some accounting for how much CS time is wasted, how much these threads are negative for the community spirit, and whatever else.
12/14/2020 11:15 AM (edited)