Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 1:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 1:35:00 PM (view original):
Hey buddy, I never said that the majority of Americans are racist. In fact, I specifically said that modern systemic racism does not require active individual racism from all involved to be present.

It's all about implicit bias, which we know for a fact exists in most, if not all people.

And systemic racism is real, just factually. You got real triggered when I tried to cite studies to back this point up. I would love to cite more if you are willing to have that discussion.

what in the blue hell is "implicit bias"? You mean stereotyping? What studies? By leftists who don't have real jobs?

Give me an example of a systemically racist policy and or institution and I'll gladly fight against it. Racism is evil.

War on Drugs.

Implicit bias is basically just stereotyping, on a very simple level. You should look into it.

And no, not all studies are from triggered leftists. If I link you a study, will you criticize the methodology or just complain about leftism?

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 1:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 1:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 1:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 1:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 12:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 11:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 11:12:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 12:27:00 AM (view original):
Personally, I just want America to be better. If that means taxing super wealthy people to benefit 99% of the country, I will absolutely do it.

It's a pretty easy decision. A marginal hindrance on a small minority of people and a great benefit to everyone else.

So you want to punish success to help those who didn't have the drive to achieve said success. OK.

You aren't punished for success. You're providing more opportunities to achieve success. Being rich will still be better than being poor.

OK

How much of my hard earned money are you entitled to? I did not just stumble upon my job. I achieved my compensation via experience and education that I paid for with time and money. You decided to settle for less but you want everything equal to me? So answer my simple question.

How much of my hard earned money are you entitled to?

Thanks

However much is necessary to provide for government programs that would improve the country, of course, without detracting significantly from your standard of living.

You're welcome.

So how much is that? I need every $1. If My AGI is $400 and I am paying ~35% in total tax, how much more should I pay? Give me a number.

I don't know. It depends on how much we spend and how much you make. Based on how you describe yourself, it shouldn't be too much. I'd prefer to focus on billionaires.

Me: "Give me a number"
Tangplay: "It shouldn't be too much"

Yep, that is our education system folks.

I don't know how much you make and what the cost is, so how could I possibly give you a specific number?

The answer is "I don't know."

bob is on a roll today.
(Scary for him,) We haven't agreed this much in a long time.

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 1:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 1:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 1:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 1:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 1:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 12:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 11:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 11:12:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 12:27:00 AM (view original):
Personally, I just want America to be better. If that means taxing super wealthy people to benefit 99% of the country, I will absolutely do it.

It's a pretty easy decision. A marginal hindrance on a small minority of people and a great benefit to everyone else.

So you want to punish success to help those who didn't have the drive to achieve said success. OK.

You aren't punished for success. You're providing more opportunities to achieve success. Being rich will still be better than being poor.

OK

How much of my hard earned money are you entitled to? I did not just stumble upon my job. I achieved my compensation via experience and education that I paid for with time and money. You decided to settle for less but you want everything equal to me? So answer my simple question.

How much of my hard earned money are you entitled to?

Thanks

However much is necessary to provide for government programs that would improve the country, of course, without detracting significantly from your standard of living.

You're welcome.

So how much is that? I need every $1. If My AGI is $400 and I am paying ~35% in total tax, how much more should I pay? Give me a number.

I don't know. It depends on how much we spend and how much you make. Based on how you describe yourself, it shouldn't be too much. I'd prefer to focus on billionaires.

Me: "Give me a number"
Tangplay: "It shouldn't be too much"

Yep, that is our education system folks.

I don't know how much you make and what the cost is, so how could I possibly give you a specific number?

The answer is "I don't know."

If My AGI is $400 and I am paying ~35% in total tax, how much more should I pay? Give me a number. Right now I pay ~35%.


You obviously cannot read well or you're dodging.

I’m very much in favor of free 4 year state college for the not rich.
esp when real community service is involved.
There are no inexpensive 4 year programs anywhere and community colleges are only 2 years.

college is one of the vital equalizers.
it needs to be done and will advance society in the USA.

Again, the answer is I don't know. It depends on how much the programs I support would cost, which is disputed.

LOL.

The crime bill that Biden supported WAS a systematically racist policy. Clearly Tang's right on that.
Trump signed a NEW bill (bi-partisan!) that ended that. ONE of the better things he did in his 4 years.
And yes, I just admitted he did more than one good thing in his term.

To be fair. Biden was just uninformed as usual. HE thought it was politically expedient and didn't "get" HOW it would be applied racially due to the definition of crack vs. cocaine.
In retrospect I would claim that ALL Law, enacted for the purpose of behavior control (sans criminal acts!!) are systematically racist.
Or at LEAST economically racist because the wealthy can ALWAYS find ways around Law.

It would need a stock market tax I think they said.

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 1:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 1:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 1:35:00 PM (view original):
Hey buddy, I never said that the majority of Americans are racist. In fact, I specifically said that modern systemic racism does not require active individual racism from all involved to be present.

It's all about implicit bias, which we know for a fact exists in most, if not all people.

And systemic racism is real, just factually. You got real triggered when I tried to cite studies to back this point up. I would love to cite more if you are willing to have that discussion.

what in the blue hell is "implicit bias"? You mean stereotyping? What studies? By leftists who don't have real jobs?

Give me an example of a systemically racist policy and or institution and I'll gladly fight against it. Racism is evil.

War on Drugs.

Implicit bias is basically just stereotyping, on a very simple level. You should look into it.

And no, not all studies are from triggered leftists. If I link you a study, will you criticize the methodology or just complain about leftism?

I believe we should legalize drugs. Next....

Posted by laramiebob on 12/17/2020 2:09:00 PM (view original):
LOL.

The crime bill that Biden supported WAS a systematically racist policy. Clearly Tang's right on that.
Trump signed a NEW bill (bi-partisan!) that ended that. ONE of the better things he did in his 4 years.
And yes, I just admitted he did more than one good thing in his term.

To be fair. Biden was just uninformed as usual. HE thought it was politically expedient and didn't "get" HOW it would be applied racially due to the definition of crack vs. cocaine.
In retrospect I would claim that ALL Law, enacted for the purpose of behavior control (sans criminal acts!!) are systematically racist.
Or at LEAST economically racist because the wealthy can ALWAYS find ways around Law.

So a no longer active bill makes us racist? And, yes, Trump ended it. Biden said "poor kids can be just as smart as white kids".

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 2:05:00 PM (view original):
Again, the answer is I don't know. It depends on how much the programs I support would cost, which is disputed.

Bingo. You don't know so don't opine on subjects you don't understand.

Posted by laramiebob on 12/17/2020 2:09:00 PM (view original):
LOL.

The crime bill that Biden supported WAS a systematically racist policy. Clearly Tang's right on that.
Trump signed a NEW bill (bi-partisan!) that ended that. ONE of the better things he did in his 4 years.
And yes, I just admitted he did more than one good thing in his term.

To be fair. Biden was just uninformed as usual. HE thought it was politically expedient and didn't "get" HOW it would be applied racially due to the definition of crack vs. cocaine.
In retrospect I would claim that ALL Law, enacted for the purpose of behavior control (sans criminal acts!!) are systematically racist.
Or at LEAST economically racist because the wealthy can ALWAYS find ways around Law.

To be fair the bill had a lot of good things like assault weapon ban and Biden’s contribution of protection of women from violence.
it was a universal bipartisan bill pushed by most black politicians and many many prominent civil rights leaders.
there was a serious crime issue at the time and the bill came from that.
the incarceration part was pushed by the republicans.
it was certainly not Biden’s contribution.
james clyburn for one supported it.

"Biden said "poor kids can be just as smart as white kids"."

That's cause HE don't know no poor white kids. He's lived in a bubble for years. The only poor white folk he prolly ever saw was on The Waltons.
He didn't mean to be racist. Just stupid.

But, dotterin' old fool he quite obviously is, he has about a 10 thousand % chance of being a better POTUS than the guy barricaded in MY house at the minute. I'm praying for an effective and SAFE 1 termer and then an election wherein BOTH major parties actually put up a candidate worth supporting.

It's been about a lifetime since that has happened!

Posted by laramiebob on 12/17/2020 2:22:00 PM (view original):
"Biden said "poor kids can be just as smart as white kids"."

That's cause HE don't know no poor white kids. He's lived in a bubble for years. The only poor white folk he prolly ever saw was on The Waltons.
He didn't mean to be racist. Just stupid.

But, dotterin' old fool he quite obviously is, he has about a 10 thousand % chance of being a better POTUS than the guy barricaded in MY house at the minute. I'm praying for an effective and SAFE 1 termer and then an election wherein BOTH major parties actually put up a candidate worth supporting.

It's been about a lifetime since that has happened!

We'll see. My point is that implicit bias, which is a catchy phrase used by leftists is basically stereotyping and that will never go away.

Posted by laramiebob on 12/17/2020 2:09:00 PM (view original):
LOL.

The crime bill that Biden supported WAS a systematically racist policy. Clearly Tang's right on that.
Trump signed a NEW bill (bi-partisan!) that ended that. ONE of the better things he did in his 4 years.
And yes, I just admitted he did more than one good thing in his term.

To be fair. Biden was just uninformed as usual. HE thought it was politically expedient and didn't "get" HOW it would be applied racially due to the definition of crack vs. cocaine.
In retrospect I would claim that ALL Law, enacted for the purpose of behavior control (sans criminal acts!!) are systematically racist.
Or at LEAST economically racist because the wealthy can ALWAYS find ways around Law.

I don't deny that. Obviously the crime bill was a disaster.

But I do object to this. "Trump signed a NEW bill (bi-partisan!) that ended that. ONE of the better things he did in his 4 years."

The first step act is just as the name implies. It's a first step.

Furthermore, Trump did NOT support the bill at first. He had to be convinced of it by Kushner, and after it passed, he reportedly said, "No more of Jared's woke ****."

I give Trump 0 (zero) credit for the first step act.