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Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 1:35:00 PM (view original):
Hey buddy, I never said that the majority of Americans are racist. In fact, I specifically said that modern systemic racism does not require active individual racism from all involved to be present.

It's all about implicit bias, which we know for a fact exists in most, if not all people.

And systemic racism is real, just factually. You got real triggered when I tried to cite studies to back this point up. I would love to cite more if you are willing to have that discussion.

what in the blue hell is "implicit bias"? You mean stereotyping? What studies? By leftists who don't have real jobs?

Give me an example of a systemically racist policy and or institution and I'll gladly fight against it. Racism is evil.

War on Drugs.

Implicit bias is basically just stereotyping, on a very simple level. You should look into it.

And no, not all studies are from triggered leftists. If I link you a study, will you criticize the methodology or just complain about leftism?

I believe we should legalize drugs. Next....

Cool, glad we agree. OK, what about balancing out school funding?

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 2:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 2:05:00 PM (view original):
Again, the answer is I don't know. It depends on how much the programs I support would cost, which is disputed.

Bingo. You don't know so don't opine on subjects you don't understand.

I would love to see your answer for the exact number of money the programs I support would cost, along with the impact on you as guided by, as an example, Bernie's tax plan.

Do you know? Cite your sources. Maybe we can all learn something today.

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 2:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 12/17/2020 2:22:00 PM (view original):
"Biden said "poor kids can be just as smart as white kids"."

That's cause HE don't know no poor white kids. He's lived in a bubble for years. The only poor white folk he prolly ever saw was on The Waltons.
He didn't mean to be racist. Just stupid.

But, dotterin' old fool he quite obviously is, he has about a 10 thousand % chance of being a better POTUS than the guy barricaded in MY house at the minute. I'm praying for an effective and SAFE 1 termer and then an election wherein BOTH major parties actually put up a candidate worth supporting.

It's been about a lifetime since that has happened!

We'll see. My point is that implicit bias, which is a catchy phrase used by leftists is basically stereotyping and that will never go away.

Wait, yeah, you're getting it.

Implicit bias won't go away, at least in the short term (we'll all basically be the same color in the distant future). So let's work on reducing the impact of these biases in the system, which undoubtedly exist, right?

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 2:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 2:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 1:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 1:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 1:35:00 PM (view original):
Hey buddy, I never said that the majority of Americans are racist. In fact, I specifically said that modern systemic racism does not require active individual racism from all involved to be present.

It's all about implicit bias, which we know for a fact exists in most, if not all people.

And systemic racism is real, just factually. You got real triggered when I tried to cite studies to back this point up. I would love to cite more if you are willing to have that discussion.

what in the blue hell is "implicit bias"? You mean stereotyping? What studies? By leftists who don't have real jobs?

Give me an example of a systemically racist policy and or institution and I'll gladly fight against it. Racism is evil.

War on Drugs.

Implicit bias is basically just stereotyping, on a very simple level. You should look into it.

And no, not all studies are from triggered leftists. If I link you a study, will you criticize the methodology or just complain about leftism?

I believe we should legalize drugs. Next....

Cool, glad we agree. OK, what about balancing out school funding?

We have charter schools in MA to do so. I voted For that too.

Next....

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 2:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 2:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 12/17/2020 2:22:00 PM (view original):
"Biden said "poor kids can be just as smart as white kids"."

That's cause HE don't know no poor white kids. He's lived in a bubble for years. The only poor white folk he prolly ever saw was on The Waltons.
He didn't mean to be racist. Just stupid.

But, dotterin' old fool he quite obviously is, he has about a 10 thousand % chance of being a better POTUS than the guy barricaded in MY house at the minute. I'm praying for an effective and SAFE 1 termer and then an election wherein BOTH major parties actually put up a candidate worth supporting.

It's been about a lifetime since that has happened!

We'll see. My point is that implicit bias, which is a catchy phrase used by leftists is basically stereotyping and that will never go away.

Wait, yeah, you're getting it.

Implicit bias won't go away, at least in the short term (we'll all basically be the same color in the distant future). So let's work on reducing the impact of these biases in the system, which undoubtedly exist, right?

Stereotyping is not just by skin color. It’s by age, looks, gender, attire, etc. No, tangplay they will never go away. My youngest in 5’11 in sneakers. She is 15. She gets asked all the time if she plays basketball. She is actually sick of it. Stereotypes will always exist. I coach basketball. Do short Players have to prove themselves more than tall players? Absolutely. Doesn’t mean they can’t play well but it’s a show me world. Your little utopia will never exist.

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 2:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 2:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 2:05:00 PM (view original):
Again, the answer is I don't know. It depends on how much the programs I support would cost, which is disputed.

Bingo. You don't know so don't opine on subjects you don't understand.

I would love to see your answer for the exact number of money the programs I support would cost, along with the impact on you as guided by, as an example, Bernie's tax plan.

Do you know? Cite your sources. Maybe we can all learn something today.

Sure. If there is a program then there should be a budget with it and stating where the monies would come from. I support giving girls age 15-22 $10k per year not to become single parents. I would fund it with a 1.5% federal sales tax on all new items purchased sans food.

Why should I tell Bernie how to fund his programs?

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 4:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 2:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 2:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 1:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 1:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 1:35:00 PM (view original):
Hey buddy, I never said that the majority of Americans are racist. In fact, I specifically said that modern systemic racism does not require active individual racism from all involved to be present.

It's all about implicit bias, which we know for a fact exists in most, if not all people.

And systemic racism is real, just factually. You got real triggered when I tried to cite studies to back this point up. I would love to cite more if you are willing to have that discussion.

what in the blue hell is "implicit bias"? You mean stereotyping? What studies? By leftists who don't have real jobs?

Give me an example of a systemically racist policy and or institution and I'll gladly fight against it. Racism is evil.

War on Drugs.

Implicit bias is basically just stereotyping, on a very simple level. You should look into it.

And no, not all studies are from triggered leftists. If I link you a study, will you criticize the methodology or just complain about leftism?

I believe we should legalize drugs. Next....

Cool, glad we agree. OK, what about balancing out school funding?

We have charter schools in MA to do so. I voted For that too.

Next....

From what I have read about charter schools, they are a step in the right direction but not a blanket solution for this problem.

OK, what about healthcare and health disparities?

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 4:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 2:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 2:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 12/17/2020 2:22:00 PM (view original):
"Biden said "poor kids can be just as smart as white kids"."

That's cause HE don't know no poor white kids. He's lived in a bubble for years. The only poor white folk he prolly ever saw was on The Waltons.
He didn't mean to be racist. Just stupid.

But, dotterin' old fool he quite obviously is, he has about a 10 thousand % chance of being a better POTUS than the guy barricaded in MY house at the minute. I'm praying for an effective and SAFE 1 termer and then an election wherein BOTH major parties actually put up a candidate worth supporting.

It's been about a lifetime since that has happened!

We'll see. My point is that implicit bias, which is a catchy phrase used by leftists is basically stereotyping and that will never go away.

Wait, yeah, you're getting it.

Implicit bias won't go away, at least in the short term (we'll all basically be the same color in the distant future). So let's work on reducing the impact of these biases in the system, which undoubtedly exist, right?

Stereotyping is not just by skin color. It’s by age, looks, gender, attire, etc. No, tangplay they will never go away. My youngest in 5’11 in sneakers. She is 15. She gets asked all the time if she plays basketball. She is actually sick of it. Stereotypes will always exist. I coach basketball. Do short Players have to prove themselves more than tall players? Absolutely. Doesn’t mean they can’t play well but it’s a show me world. Your little utopia will never exist.

It's pretty frustrating to me to say something, and then read you repeating the same thing back to me in a more aggressive tone thinking you are making a point.

I'm just going to repeat my last post.

Implicit bias won't go away, at least in the short term (we'll all basically be the same color in the distant future). So let's work on reducing the impact of these biases in the system, which undoubtedly exist, right?

I think this is an agreeable statement. Can we both acknowledge that?

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 4:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 2:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 2:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 12/17/2020 2:22:00 PM (view original):
"Biden said "poor kids can be just as smart as white kids"."

That's cause HE don't know no poor white kids. He's lived in a bubble for years. The only poor white folk he prolly ever saw was on The Waltons.
He didn't mean to be racist. Just stupid.

But, dotterin' old fool he quite obviously is, he has about a 10 thousand % chance of being a better POTUS than the guy barricaded in MY house at the minute. I'm praying for an effective and SAFE 1 termer and then an election wherein BOTH major parties actually put up a candidate worth supporting.

It's been about a lifetime since that has happened!

We'll see. My point is that implicit bias, which is a catchy phrase used by leftists is basically stereotyping and that will never go away.

Wait, yeah, you're getting it.

Implicit bias won't go away, at least in the short term (we'll all basically be the same color in the distant future). So let's work on reducing the impact of these biases in the system, which undoubtedly exist, right?

Stereotyping is not just by skin color. It’s by age, looks, gender, attire, etc. No, tangplay they will never go away. My youngest in 5’11 in sneakers. She is 15. She gets asked all the time if she plays basketball. She is actually sick of it. Stereotypes will always exist. I coach basketball. Do short Players have to prove themselves more than tall players? Absolutely. Doesn’t mean they can’t play well but it’s a show me world. Your little utopia will never exist.

My little utopia exists thanks to the guy who created onlyfans.com !

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 4:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 2:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 2:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 2:05:00 PM (view original):
Again, the answer is I don't know. It depends on how much the programs I support would cost, which is disputed.

Bingo. You don't know so don't opine on subjects you don't understand.

I would love to see your answer for the exact number of money the programs I support would cost, along with the impact on you as guided by, as an example, Bernie's tax plan.

Do you know? Cite your sources. Maybe we can all learn something today.

Sure. If there is a program then there should be a budget with it and stating where the monies would come from. I support giving girls age 15-22 $10k per year not to become single parents. I would fund it with a 1.5% federal sales tax on all new items purchased sans food.

Why should I tell Bernie how to fund his programs?

OK, that's one policy, and not the same question you asked me. That's fine.

And we already disagreed on that policy. I don't deny that it would reduce single parent rates. But you're looking at around ~250 billion per year. I can propose numerous policies that would reduce the single parent rate just as much, along with other benefits, and cost much less.

Posted by Guitarguy567 on 12/17/2020 5:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 4:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 2:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 2:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 12/17/2020 2:22:00 PM (view original):
"Biden said "poor kids can be just as smart as white kids"."

That's cause HE don't know no poor white kids. He's lived in a bubble for years. The only poor white folk he prolly ever saw was on The Waltons.
He didn't mean to be racist. Just stupid.

But, dotterin' old fool he quite obviously is, he has about a 10 thousand % chance of being a better POTUS than the guy barricaded in MY house at the minute. I'm praying for an effective and SAFE 1 termer and then an election wherein BOTH major parties actually put up a candidate worth supporting.

It's been about a lifetime since that has happened!

We'll see. My point is that implicit bias, which is a catchy phrase used by leftists is basically stereotyping and that will never go away.

Wait, yeah, you're getting it.

Implicit bias won't go away, at least in the short term (we'll all basically be the same color in the distant future). So let's work on reducing the impact of these biases in the system, which undoubtedly exist, right?

Stereotyping is not just by skin color. It’s by age, looks, gender, attire, etc. No, tangplay they will never go away. My youngest in 5’11 in sneakers. She is 15. She gets asked all the time if she plays basketball. She is actually sick of it. Stereotypes will always exist. I coach basketball. Do short Players have to prove themselves more than tall players? Absolutely. Doesn’t mean they can’t play well but it’s a show me world. Your little utopia will never exist.

My little utopia exists thanks to the guy who created onlyfans.com !

You're going to scare the boomers

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 2:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 12/17/2020 2:09:00 PM (view original):
LOL.

The crime bill that Biden supported WAS a systematically racist policy. Clearly Tang's right on that.
Trump signed a NEW bill (bi-partisan!) that ended that. ONE of the better things he did in his 4 years.
And yes, I just admitted he did more than one good thing in his term.

To be fair. Biden was just uninformed as usual. HE thought it was politically expedient and didn't "get" HOW it would be applied racially due to the definition of crack vs. cocaine.
In retrospect I would claim that ALL Law, enacted for the purpose of behavior control (sans criminal acts!!) are systematically racist.
Or at LEAST economically racist because the wealthy can ALWAYS find ways around Law.

I don't deny that. Obviously the crime bill was a disaster.

But I do object to this. "Trump signed a NEW bill (bi-partisan!) that ended that. ONE of the better things he did in his 4 years."

The first step act is just as the name implies. It's a first step.

Furthermore, Trump did NOT support the bill at first. He had to be convinced of it by Kushner, and after it passed, he reportedly said, "No more of Jared's woke ****."

I give Trump 0 (zero) credit for the first step act.

Well, yeah........ Van Jones worked to make it happen much much more than anyone in the Trump admin. but at least Trump let himslelf be talked into signing the bill. He gets credit for that.

OK, I'll amend my statement. He gets credit for the bare minimum of reluctantly signing his name onto a bill that every Presidential Candidate in 2020 would have supported.

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Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 1:35:00 PM (view original):
Hey buddy, I never said that the majority of Americans are racist. In fact, I specifically said that modern systemic racism does not require active individual racism from all involved to be present.

It's all about implicit bias, which we know for a fact exists in most, if not all people.

And systemic racism is real, just factually. You got real triggered when I tried to cite studies to back this point up. I would love to cite more if you are willing to have that discussion.

what in the blue hell is "implicit bias"? You mean stereotyping? What studies? By leftists who don't have real jobs?

Give me an example of a systemically racist policy and or institution and I'll gladly fight against it. Racism is evil.

War on Drugs.

Implicit bias is basically just stereotyping, on a very simple level. You should look into it.

And no, not all studies are from triggered leftists. If I link you a study, will you criticize the methodology or just complain about leftism?

I believe we should legalize drugs. Next....

Cool, glad we agree. OK, what about balancing out school funding?

We have charter schools in MA to do so. I voted For that too.

Next....

From what I have read about charter schools, they are a step in the right direction but not a blanket solution for this problem.

OK, what about healthcare and health disparities?

Our healthcare system sucks. Hell when my dog goes to the vet it is so much easier. To me the health insurance game is way too complex. I'd make it more like car insurance. I would make it more affordable by providing a cap on how much each person spends per annum. To compensate I would tax doctors at a 10% rate for their first 15 years in practice. Would help them pay off school loans and incentivize more to join the profession, resulting in shorter wait times and lower costs.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 12/17/2020 2:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/17/2020 2:05:00 PM (view original):
Again, the answer is I don't know. It depends on how much the programs I support would cost, which is disputed.

Bingo. You don't know so don't opine on subjects you don't understand.

I would love to see your answer for the exact number of money the programs I support would cost, along with the impact on you as guided by, as an example, Bernie's tax plan.

Do you know? Cite your sources. Maybe we can all learn something today.

Sure. If there is a program then there should be a budget with it and stating where the monies would come from. I support giving girls age 15-22 $10k per year not to become single parents. I would fund it with a 1.5% federal sales tax on all new items purchased sans food.

Why should I tell Bernie how to fund his programs?

OK, that's one policy, and not the same question you asked me. That's fine.

And we already disagreed on that policy. I don't deny that it would reduce single parent rates. But you're looking at around ~250 billion per year. I can propose numerous policies that would reduce the single parent rate just as much, along with other benefits, and cost much less.

Then propose them. $250bil per year but you'd reduce welfare costs and increase tax revenue so the program likely pays for itself in ~7 yrs