Posted by holdaway on 12/10/2020 7:00:00 PM (view original):
This is a simulation or some form thereof as we can all agree.

As a result, it tries to mimic RL college football. In RL college football, some recruits (not all, but I would argue most without extenuating circumstances) prefer to go to winning programs or at least programs on the rise. Vision is one way to accomplish that in game terms.

Given traditional powerhouses (“elites”) vs a “rising” or even non-rising(aka losing history or under performing, etc.)program, a recruit will tend to go to the traditional, name brand, aka “elite” programs. Imho, eliminating this from the game would make the game less realistic.

The devil is in the details though. I actually like the vision aspect based on some winning history of the program. I think North Dakota State getting D1 type recruits or even an Appalachian State or JMU in the recent past. The same applies at a D3 school. If you WIN, people want to be associated with your program. It is a simple fact of life from recruits to players to alumni to boosters.

I do believe the biggest complaint about Elites is that they never change based on performance (aka Winning) and many believe they have too much of an inherent advantage. I will leave that argument to my betters since I have limited D1 time although my negative experience at D1 was totally tied to this specific subject. I doubt I would ever return based on this current setup also as a result, but that is my experience along with the incredible time commitment I believe I would have to invest.

As for the other levels, vision does about as efficient a job as I can imagine a system doing. It is simple, clean, and transparent to all. I would not be for eliminating it without a viable, similarly fair, transparent, alternative. I also am not for the pay more and get a better team plan. I see the idea, but I like a more level playing field for all.

The vision system discourages and penalizes you competing vs other human coaches. It needs a tweak.

I don't have a problem with the vision system. But I wouldn't object with tweaks. The vision system is based on a teams excellence over a period of time, and that is how it is in real life. If you run a great program, you'll get a boost in recruiting.

I would however like to see a vision system for coaches as well. In other words, if I'm a great coach, and take over a crappy team, somehow my greatness as a coach factors into a bump in recruiting. It happens all the time in reality. A great coach takes over a weak program, and recruits want to play for the great coach.

Should a vision system for coaches be massive? No, but a team should receive a boost if a great coach takes over. Or a coach who has done very well the last three or four seasons.

Posted by Indpnt1 on 12/20/2020 5:30:00 PM (view original):
I don't have a problem with the vision system. But I wouldn't object with tweaks. The vision system is based on a teams excellence over a period of time, and that is how it is in real life. If you run a great program, you'll get a boost in recruiting.

I would however like to see a vision system for coaches as well. In other words, if I'm a great coach, and take over a crappy team, somehow my greatness as a coach factors into a bump in recruiting. It happens all the time in reality. A great coach takes over a weak program, and recruits want to play for the great coach.

Should a vision system for coaches be massive? No, but a team should receive a boost if a great coach takes over. Or a coach who has done very well the last three or four seasons.

Great idea on coach recruiting vision. Look at Dion Sanders in real life. Jackson State has gotten a few solid commits (besides Dion’s son) since Dion signed on as coach. I know this is more star power than great coach, but the example remains.

another real world example, Jim Harbaugh would struggle to recruit at DIII Ohio Wesleyan after ruining the football program of that team up north...GO BUCKS!!!!

I agree. Coaching record for better or worse should go with the coach. If they jump to a school with better vision than they currently have, perhaps there is an averaging or some watering down effect to the schools history and vice-versa in effect.

I believe the transparency I refer to is based on what has been learned/assumed from yatzr et al. It is simple imho, the more you win, consistently, the better your vision. Winning of late is more important than winning in the distant past. Again, I think this mimics RL pretty effectively, I would just ask any changes be fair and understandable as the current system is. I do agree that you are penalized if you play ANYONE (human or simAI) and lose, but you can get a better ranking and thus playoff position with a tougher schedule. Outside of that, there is little beyond the hate of boredom and a competitive fire to make playing humans in the non-conference at lower levels a priority.

If you are here to pad your winning,pct, I doubt you will win many NC. Vision is great at lower levels, but you still have to win. You win by learning why you lose first I believe.

I do think it would be difficult at higher levels to make the NC run without a solid schedule, but I defer to those playing at that level to discuss.

I think every team but mine should have poor vision !

The opposite should also be true. If you are a marginal coach and take over one of the last seasons power teams, don't expect the vision to stay at the max. It should drop to a level based on the new coaches level. The new coach would at least have a top rated team, but in real life, top players may elect to go to a school with a proven coach.

Posted by 0bigzeke0 on 12/20/2020 11:52:00 PM (view original):
The opposite should also be true. If you are a marginal coach and take over one of the last seasons power teams, don't expect the vision to stay at the max. It should drop to a level based on the new coaches level. The new coach would at least have a top rated team, but in real life, top players may elect to go to a school with a proven coach.

I agree. I call this carpet bagging. Taking over someone else powerhouse team. Most of the time, I prefer to take over rebuilds, but did recently takeover a powerhouse team.

That notwithstanding, it is annoying for a mediocre coach to come in and ride someone elses team to glory, and then promptly run the team into the ground.

Posted by Indpnt1 on 12/21/2020 12:25:00 AM (view original):

Posted by 0bigzeke0 on 12/20/2020 11:52:00 PM (view original):
The opposite should also be true. If you are a marginal coach and take over one of the last seasons power teams, don't expect the vision to stay at the max. It should drop to a level based on the new coaches level. The new coach would at least have a top rated team, but in real life, top players may elect to go to a school with a proven coach.

I agree. I call this carpet bagging. Taking over someone else powerhouse team. Most of the time, I prefer to take over rebuilds, but did recently takeover a powerhouse team.

That notwithstanding, it is annoying for a mediocre coach to come in and ride someone elses team to glory, and then promptly run the team into the ground.

That makes 3 consecutive posts in agreement on carpetbagging ..perhaps a first?

oh wait, mojo wants an exception lol...

How about allowing us to snaz up our player profile? Give us some editing power over our profile.

And for the profile to include our records on each server? Perhaps allow us to post a "signature" or message to everyone. Like talk a little smack on the profile?

The player profiles are pretty crappy as they are.

Some things I thought were good ideas and a couple of my own:

1. Would be great to be able to start a World in a division other than D-III. Each coach should have a certain overall prestige. That prestige would allow you start off in a new world at D1, D1-AA, etc.

2. D1 playoff format.

3. D1-AA teams being able to sign D1 recruits. Maybe on the 7th day for example, the D1 recruits who have not been signed are available to D1-AA schools.

4. Being able to lock green recruits. If you have a recruit green after the first day, an option that would allow you to spend a certain amount of money to lock him in. Other coaches could see him, but recruiting actions would be unavailable. $1,000 to lock in a recruit? If you had a 15 man recruiting class, you could lock in 15 green guys but it would cost you $15,000. The amount to lock in a recruit could vary depending on D3 or D1, etc

5. Right now the All-American teams are basically not a big deal. I rest my Seniors in the 2nd half most games so younger players can get starts and playing time. What if you were given additional recruiting money based on players that were All-American for your squad. Oklahoma is a good example of a real school that QB's want to attend based on the offense and the success they have had. So, if you have an All-American QB maybe you get some extra money to use toward a QB recruit.

Just some ideas. Very glad that there is the potential for more attention to be paid to GD.

Posted by jayhawkgrant on 12/22/2020 2:43:00 PM (view original):
Some things I thought were good ideas and a couple of my own:

1. Would be great to be able to start a World in a division other than D-III. Each coach should have a certain overall prestige. That prestige would allow you start off in a new world at D1, D1-AA, etc.

2. D1 playoff format.

3. D1-AA teams being able to sign D1 recruits. Maybe on the 7th day for example, the D1 recruits who have not been signed are available to D1-AA schools.

4. Being able to lock green recruits. If you have a recruit green after the first day, an option that would allow you to spend a certain amount of money to lock him in. Other coaches could see him, but recruiting actions would be unavailable. $1,000 to lock in a recruit? If you had a 15 man recruiting class, you could lock in 15 green guys but it would cost you $15,000. The amount to lock in a recruit could vary depending on D3 or D1, etc

5. Right now the All-American teams are basically not a big deal. I rest my Seniors in the 2nd half most games so younger players can get starts and playing time. What if you were given additional recruiting money based on players that were All-American for your squad. Oklahoma is a good example of a real school that QB's want to attend based on the offense and the success they have had. So, if you have an All-American QB maybe you get some extra money to use toward a QB recruit.

Just some ideas. Very glad that there is the potential for more attention to be paid to GD.

I hate number 4. You lock the recruit, by signing him.

Posted by Indpnt1 on 12/22/2020 3:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jayhawkgrant on 12/22/2020 2:43:00 PM (view original):
Some things I thought were good ideas and a couple of my own:

1. Would be great to be able to start a World in a division other than D-III. Each coach should have a certain overall prestige. That prestige would allow you start off in a new world at D1, D1-AA, etc.

2. D1 playoff format.

3. D1-AA teams being able to sign D1 recruits. Maybe on the 7th day for example, the D1 recruits who have not been signed are available to D1-AA schools.

4. Being able to lock green recruits. If you have a recruit green after the first day, an option that would allow you to spend a certain amount of money to lock him in. Other coaches could see him, but recruiting actions would be unavailable. $1,000 to lock in a recruit? If you had a 15 man recruiting class, you could lock in 15 green guys but it would cost you $15,000. The amount to lock in a recruit could vary depending on D3 or D1, etc

5. Right now the All-American teams are basically not a big deal. I rest my Seniors in the 2nd half most games so younger players can get starts and playing time. What if you were given additional recruiting money based on players that were All-American for your squad. Oklahoma is a good example of a real school that QB's want to attend based on the offense and the success they have had. So, if you have an All-American QB maybe you get some extra money to use toward a QB recruit.

Just some ideas. Very glad that there is the potential for more attention to be paid to GD.

I hate number 4. You lock the recruit, by signing him.

LOL you've always been so shy with your opinions.