Apologies if this has already been asked and answered elsewhere, but I didn't see anything in a skim through forum history and the recruiting guide. What are the implications of signing an ineligible player? I remember seeing somewhere that it varies across divisions, and the specific recruit I'm looking at is for a D2 team fwiw. Does this just mean that they won't be able to play for their first year or until they get their grades up? Can they still practice and improve during that team even if they can't play?

If he stays ineligible up to the start of the season (I believe) he will sit out that whole season at D2.

Unfortunately, he doesn’t practice/improve... so it’s not the same as a Redshirt.

I’ve seen Ineligibles sign and then pass the SAT after signing so they become eligible before the start of the season. That might not be probable but is possible.

If you sign an ineligible player in D1 or D2 put all his practice minutes on SH. He won't have his other ratings lowered and it will help him get a good enough GPA that you can get an extra 5th season from him fairly easily.

All of the above is correct. To give alittle extra color, at D3 the player will be immediately eligible making them nice targets as the higher levels will have slightly less incentive to sign them. Pay attention to their GPA too as that will indicate their likelihood to pass their SATs before they start. 2.3 and down almost never passes, 2.4-2.6 there's a chance and 2.7 up is actually pretty likely to pass.

Good info above, I would also add a bit to "the chance they pass" aspect of this discussion.

From when a recruit is generated, they have an x% chance of passing, where as @texashick says is much more likely as the GPA get's higher. It might actually be as simple as 2.0 has 0%, 2.1 has 10%, 2.2 has 20% etc. But giving recruiting session 1 takes place after about 1/2 the test dates for an ineligible to pass, this chance isn't as high as you might think given a lot of the guys who end up passing already have.

How often do the ineligibles show up at D1 (or D2) schools vs. going JUCO? I know that is another risk of signing / recruiting them - they may choose not to sit out for the year so they can play at JUCO immediately (and are therefore not going to be on your team unless you recruit them again)...

Posted by brianxavier on 12/15/2020 7:28:00 PM (view original):
How often do the ineligibles show up at D1 (or D2) schools vs. going JUCO? I know that is another risk of signing / recruiting them - they may choose not to sit out for the year so they can play at JUCO immediately (and are therefore not going to be on your team unless you recruit them again)...

I’m not sure on the stats or factors on whether they sit out a year or opt to go Juco instead. I signed one last season and he showed up on my roster. I just signed one this season on a different team in Crum... but won’t know if he shows up or goes Juco until the new season turns over.

He went Juco. And as far away on the map from me as he could get.

Must be karma for robbing the D1 Coach for him with a lucky 26% dice roll.

When signing an ineligible player is it still safe to put all minutes into study hall without having them decrease in ratings during their ineligible season?

Posted by tdiddy3 on 1/3/2021 10:31:00 AM (view original):
When signing an ineligible player is it still safe to put all minutes into study hall without having them decrease in ratings during their ineligible season?

yes .. they do not practice at all (or gain or lose points in normal attributes) no matter what you do with practice points.

I have no idea if putting them in SH helps or not .. but you don't need them in other practice spots, so you might as well put them in SH.

Posted by tdiddy3 on 1/3/2021 10:31:00 AM (view original):
When signing an ineligible player is it still safe to put all minutes into study hall without having them decrease in ratings during their ineligible season?

Yes it is safe to put all his practice minutes into SH and leave all his other attributes at zero his first ineligible season (assuming you are D1/D2, otherwise he's eligible to play immediately at D3). If his is ineligible when he shows up on your roster, his rating won't change until the off-season when he transitions into a sophomore.

Thanks for all the above info. I've got an ineligible at D2:
https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=4764010

This is my first year in a really tough rebuild. I took over the team after the season (jumped from a D3). Simmy had filled 4 of the 6 spots with turds. I released three more, and signed two freshmen & three jucos. All that to say, I signed one ineligible and redshirted my other freshmen since I knew I'd be bad this season (didn't expect to be 0-12 bad like I currently am!) First time signing an ineligible at D2, so this is new for me.

Will this automatically be a redshirt year if he doesn't play at all or can I redshirt him after the season?

Posted by bigham23 on 3/8/2021 11:09:00 AM (view original):
Thanks for all the above info. I've got an ineligible at D2:
https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=4764010

This is my first year in a really tough rebuild. I took over the team after the season (jumped from a D3). Simmy had filled 4 of the 6 spots with turds. I released three more, and signed two freshmen & three jucos. All that to say, I signed one ineligible and redshirted my other freshmen since I knew I'd be bad this season (didn't expect to be 0-12 bad like I currently am!) First time signing an ineligible at D2, so this is new for me.

Will this automatically be a redshirt year if he doesn't play at all or can I redshirt him after the season?

I think I figured out the answer to my question before posting a different question in the forum.

I have two seniors but it only shows one opening for recruiting. I was about to ask why that is, but I looked at my two seniors. One was an academic non-qualifier as a freshman. I assume that means he'll automatically be a 5th year sr (unless I cut him), which is why I only have the one opening.

And, I assume that will be the case with Ducan. He'll show as a Soph, Jr, Sr the next three seasons but then he'll be a 5th yr senior without having to RS due to the academic non-qual yr as a fresh... correct?

Posted by bigham23 on 3/8/2021 12:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bigham23 on 3/8/2021 11:09:00 AM (view original):
Thanks for all the above info. I've got an ineligible at D2:
https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=4764010

This is my first year in a really tough rebuild. I took over the team after the season (jumped from a D3). Simmy had filled 4 of the 6 spots with turds. I released three more, and signed two freshmen & three jucos. All that to say, I signed one ineligible and redshirted my other freshmen since I knew I'd be bad this season (didn't expect to be 0-12 bad like I currently am!) First time signing an ineligible at D2, so this is new for me.

Will this automatically be a redshirt year if he doesn't play at all or can I redshirt him after the season?

I think I figured out the answer to my question before posting a different question in the forum.

I have two seniors but it only shows one opening for recruiting. I was about to ask why that is, but I looked at my two seniors. One was an academic non-qualifier as a freshman. I assume that means he'll automatically be a 5th year sr (unless I cut him), which is why I only have the one opening.

And, I assume that will be the case with Ducan. He'll show as a Soph, Jr, Sr the next three seasons but then he'll be a 5th yr senior without having to RS due to the academic non-qual yr as a fresh... correct?

Yes, that’s correct. You get 4 years of eligibility out of the players who DNQ their first season. The difference between that and a redshirted player is that you don’t get an extra season of IQ growth. You are never able to make that up either, as you will not be able to actually redshirt this player (at D1 or D2; at D3, they will be eligible regardless of test scores).

The upshot of all of this is that for ineligible players, who tend to see a bit slower IQ growth anyway, you really can’t count on IQ covering for any attribute deficiencies they might have, as you sometimes can for other players once they are upperclassmen. Especially if they also have poor work ethic, you’ll want to account for that when you’re thinking about the player you’re investing in.

Thanks! That’s really helpful info.