Posted by tangplay on 1/6/2021 5:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 1/6/2021 4:58:00 PM (view original):
I've already said these folks need jailed and held responsible for their actions. I haven't tried to say it's Biden's fault, or that most of them are good people, or anything like that. I've also always said for "ever" that both Parties lie, and that neither gives a rat's *zz about the public. Sorry if you see any of that as hypocritical.

How can anyone possibly think Biden's relationship to BLM and Antifa is equivalent to Trump's relationship to these terrorists?

Trump can’t fail, he can only be failed.

And Rudy can’t fail.

Posted by dino27 on 1/6/2021 5:53:00 PM (view original):
The injured woman has died.
these rioters like their brethren in Charlotte caused death.

remember when trump went bonkers over any vandalism of federal property during the summer.

the secret service told trump to evacuate when it started and he did on the spot.

And a man was stabbed.

Posted by dahsdebater on 1/6/2021 5:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/6/2021 5:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 1/6/2021 4:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/6/2021 3:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/6/2021 3:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/6/2021 2:41:00 PM (view original):
I took a break for the holidays. Hey yall, I'm back.

In other news, HOLY ****

Trump supporters have stormed the capital, which is on lockdown.

But it's BLM and "antifa" that are dangers to democracy.

Anyone still supporting Trump no longer supports America or democracy.

This is a mostly peaceful protest.

I can't tell if you're joking or not. They stormed the capital, are brawling with police, and shots have been fired.

To be fair... when the right-wing guys were saying similar things that about BLM protests you were saying they were "mostly peaceful." It was your side of the aisle that decided that protests could be mostly peaceful while people were trying to light the police headquarters on fire every night. Which I assumed was Doug's point when he posed the question in the first place. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but when he first posted that I was like "ha - that's the most clever thing I've ever seen from Doug, by a lot."

WRONG. We pointed out that most Black Lives Matter PROTESTS were peaceful. Something like 93%.

It was a response to right wingers calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group and suggesting that the protest movement, as a whole, was violent.

This is a horrible false equivalency.

You were saying that things were peaceful in Portland, where said repeated attempts to burn down the police headquarters were a daily occurrence.

Now putting police in danger is a sign that things are out of hand. You may need to accept that it's not as much a false equivalency as you would like it to be.

I certainly never said BLM was a terrorist organization, but as much as more moderate supporters tried to take the stances you did and disavow the extreme elements, the reality is that event organizers routinely justified the looting and violence and tried to explain the mindset that led to such actions instead of roundly condemning them.

I would love to see posts where I claimed that the protests in Portland were peaceful; my argument was that not everyone there was a rioter or agitator and mass arrests without warrants were not justified. I do believe the extent of the damage was overblown (I.E. "cItIeS wErE bUrNeD dOwN!!)

I also think that you have to accept the police response to this protest being fundamentally different here than in Portland and other places. Just compare the police reaction to BLM protests in DC vs their reaction to MAGA people STORMING THE CAPITAL.

I don't deny that there were probably event organizers who condoned or justified looting (which I never supported) or riots. However, there's a fundamental difference between event organizers and political representatives. This is terrorism as a direct result of Donald Trump and his associates lying about election fraud. It's a natural extension of their arguments. Joe Biden was not remotely connected to BLM riots over the summer. As evidence, how many people wore Biden merch and flew Biden flags at BLM events? How many people have Trump flags and merch today?

If we want to have a nuanced discussion on this, that's fine. Here's how I analyze it. Of the people at the "Stop the Steal" rally in DC, how many participated in the storming of the capital? Of the people in the BLM protests this summer, the largest political movement in American history, how many participated in looting or rioting? I don't think it can be denied that the former is larger than the latter, and not by an insignificant margin.

A 1 to 1 comparison would be Joe Biden saying that police are the enemy of the people, and holding a Biden rally where thousands of his supporters gathered with Biden gear and flags, were told to walk up and protest at a police station, and then stormed the station.

And even then, I think there's more moral justification (even if I think it's wrong) for residents of Minneapolis, for example, to burn down the police precinct of Derek Chauvin than there is for Trump supporters to storm the US capital.

Posted by tangplay on 1/6/2021 7:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 1/6/2021 5:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/6/2021 5:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 1/6/2021 4:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/6/2021 3:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/6/2021 3:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/6/2021 2:41:00 PM (view original):
I took a break for the holidays. Hey yall, I'm back.

In other news, HOLY ****

Trump supporters have stormed the capital, which is on lockdown.

But it's BLM and "antifa" that are dangers to democracy.

Anyone still supporting Trump no longer supports America or democracy.

This is a mostly peaceful protest.

I can't tell if you're joking or not. They stormed the capital, are brawling with police, and shots have been fired.

To be fair... when the right-wing guys were saying similar things that about BLM protests you were saying they were "mostly peaceful." It was your side of the aisle that decided that protests could be mostly peaceful while people were trying to light the police headquarters on fire every night. Which I assumed was Doug's point when he posed the question in the first place. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but when he first posted that I was like "ha - that's the most clever thing I've ever seen from Doug, by a lot."

WRONG. We pointed out that most Black Lives Matter PROTESTS were peaceful. Something like 93%.

It was a response to right wingers calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group and suggesting that the protest movement, as a whole, was violent.

This is a horrible false equivalency.

You were saying that things were peaceful in Portland, where said repeated attempts to burn down the police headquarters were a daily occurrence.

Now putting police in danger is a sign that things are out of hand. You may need to accept that it's not as much a false equivalency as you would like it to be.

I certainly never said BLM was a terrorist organization, but as much as more moderate supporters tried to take the stances you did and disavow the extreme elements, the reality is that event organizers routinely justified the looting and violence and tried to explain the mindset that led to such actions instead of roundly condemning them.

I would love to see posts where I claimed that the protests in Portland were peaceful; my argument was that not everyone there was a rioter or agitator and mass arrests without warrants were not justified. I do believe the extent of the damage was overblown (I.E. "cItIeS wErE bUrNeD dOwN!!)

I also think that you have to accept the police response to this protest being fundamentally different here than in Portland and other places. Just compare the police reaction to BLM protests in DC vs their reaction to MAGA people STORMING THE CAPITAL.

I don't deny that there were probably event organizers who condoned or justified looting (which I never supported) or riots. However, there's a fundamental difference between event organizers and political representatives. This is terrorism as a direct result of Donald Trump and his associates lying about election fraud. It's a natural extension of their arguments. Joe Biden was not remotely connected to BLM riots over the summer. As evidence, how many people wore Biden merch and flew Biden flags at BLM events? How many people have Trump flags and merch today?

And BLM was not encouraging violence. Those were people taking advantage of the protest.
the people today were a hive and there was no noble goal involved at all in any of it.

YEAH! LIKE DINO JUST SAID.........................





NO NOBLE GOAL...UNLIKE THE DAY ABOVE WHEN TRUMP WAS INAUGURATED.

Posted by dino27 on 1/6/2021 7:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/6/2021 7:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 1/6/2021 5:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/6/2021 5:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 1/6/2021 4:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/6/2021 3:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/6/2021 3:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/6/2021 2:41:00 PM (view original):
I took a break for the holidays. Hey yall, I'm back.

In other news, HOLY ****

Trump supporters have stormed the capital, which is on lockdown.

But it's BLM and "antifa" that are dangers to democracy.

Anyone still supporting Trump no longer supports America or democracy.

This is a mostly peaceful protest.

I can't tell if you're joking or not. They stormed the capital, are brawling with police, and shots have been fired.

To be fair... when the right-wing guys were saying similar things that about BLM protests you were saying they were "mostly peaceful." It was your side of the aisle that decided that protests could be mostly peaceful while people were trying to light the police headquarters on fire every night. Which I assumed was Doug's point when he posed the question in the first place. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but when he first posted that I was like "ha - that's the most clever thing I've ever seen from Doug, by a lot."

WRONG. We pointed out that most Black Lives Matter PROTESTS were peaceful. Something like 93%.

It was a response to right wingers calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group and suggesting that the protest movement, as a whole, was violent.

This is a horrible false equivalency.

You were saying that things were peaceful in Portland, where said repeated attempts to burn down the police headquarters were a daily occurrence.

Now putting police in danger is a sign that things are out of hand. You may need to accept that it's not as much a false equivalency as you would like it to be.

I certainly never said BLM was a terrorist organization, but as much as more moderate supporters tried to take the stances you did and disavow the extreme elements, the reality is that event organizers routinely justified the looting and violence and tried to explain the mindset that led to such actions instead of roundly condemning them.

I would love to see posts where I claimed that the protests in Portland were peaceful; my argument was that not everyone there was a rioter or agitator and mass arrests without warrants were not justified. I do believe the extent of the damage was overblown (I.E. "cItIeS wErE bUrNeD dOwN!!)

I also think that you have to accept the police response to this protest being fundamentally different here than in Portland and other places. Just compare the police reaction to BLM protests in DC vs their reaction to MAGA people STORMING THE CAPITAL.

I don't deny that there were probably event organizers who condoned or justified looting (which I never supported) or riots. However, there's a fundamental difference between event organizers and political representatives. This is terrorism as a direct result of Donald Trump and his associates lying about election fraud. It's a natural extension of their arguments. Joe Biden was not remotely connected to BLM riots over the summer. As evidence, how many people wore Biden merch and flew Biden flags at BLM events? How many people have Trump flags and merch today?

And BLM was not encouraging violence. Those were people taking advantage of the protest.
the people today were a hive and there was no noble goal involved at all in any of it.

I don't have time to unpack all of tang's comments, hopefully I might after my daughter goes to sleep. I agree with most of it anyway.

This, however, I think is totally wrong. We know that people like to trust authority; it's baked into human nature. The President of the United States is repeatedly telling people that the election was fraudulent and "stolen." These people, believing that, are trying to take back their political autonomy against a perceived inside takeover of the US government. I would argue that, in their minds, it is in fact quite a noble goal. Obviously they're wrong, but the bigger problem is with the highest political authority continuously spreading disinformation.

Posted by tangplay on 1/6/2021 7:14:00 PM (view original):
If we want to have a nuanced discussion on this, that's fine. Here's how I analyze it. Of the people at the "Stop the Steal" rally in DC, how many participated in the storming of the capital? Of the people in the BLM protests this summer, the largest political movement in American history, how many participated in looting or rioting? I don't think it can be denied that the former is larger than the latter, and not by an insignificant margin.

A 1 to 1 comparison would be Joe Biden saying that police are the enemy of the people, and holding a Biden rally where thousands of his supporters gathered with Biden gear and flags, were told to walk up and protest at a police station, and then stormed the station.

And even then, I think there's more moral justification (even if I think it's wrong) for residents of Minneapolis, for example, to burn down the police precinct of Derek Chauvin than there is for Trump supporters to storm the US capital.

A far right agitator from Texas burned down the Minneapolis police station.

On a separate note, I'm feeling irritated that ABC has pulled Alex Trebek's 3rd-to-last episode as Jeopardy! host for news coverage.

Posted by dahsdebater on 1/6/2021 7:49:00 PM (view original):
On a separate note, I'm feeling irritated that ABC has pulled Alex Trebek's 3rd-to-last episode as Jeopardy! host for news coverage.

RIP the GOAT

Posted by dino27 on 1/6/2021 5:53:00 PM (view original):
The injured woman has died.
these rioters like their brethren in Charlotte caused death.

remember when trump went bonkers over any vandalism of federal property during the summer.

the secret service told trump to evacuate when it started and he did on the spot.

She was shot by law enforcement.

During BLM protests that was a sign of police overreach/militarization.

Posted by tangplay on 1/6/2021 3:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/6/2021 3:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/6/2021 2:41:00 PM (view original):
I took a break for the holidays. Hey yall, I'm back.

In other news, HOLY ****

Trump supporters have stormed the capital, which is on lockdown.

But it's BLM and "antifa" that are dangers to democracy.

Anyone still supporting Trump no longer supports America or democracy.

This is a mostly peaceful protest.

I can't tell if you're joking or not. They stormed the capital, are brawling with police, and shots have been fired.

3 pipe bombs found before they went off also.

Posted by laramiebob on 1/6/2021 3:46:00 PM (view original):
Not funny Doug. Your posts defending sedition are shameful.

Doug's like Trump...always been a piece of ****. There's no other side.

Posted by Uofa2 on 1/6/2021 7:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 1/6/2021 7:49:00 PM (view original):
On a separate note, I'm feeling irritated that ABC has pulled Alex Trebek's 3rd-to-last episode as Jeopardy! host for news coverage.

RIP the GOAT

Apparently it's playing here at 1:35 AM.