Oh yeah, I gotcha. I think you have to ask what the purpose of even having DITRs is, anyway. I think it's really just something to give us to pay attention to, maybe spice things up a little. Of course you get some who you know are going to be useless from the get go, but they were useless anyway. I have an RP in my other league whose DUR/STA shot up to 99/49 but he can't get outs in AAA. But it gives us something to check the Inbox in that morning after the all star break. I look at it like, it's not a birthday present, more like hey I bought ice cream on the way home.

I am in 100 percent disagreement on the DITR overhaul. You can turn out good DITR players on consistent basis if you do it right. Take a look at any World in which I have participated for more than one season. I have consistently turned out mlb level DITR players. In fact, in the last three seasons across the World's in which I participate, I have had two Ditr pitchers win CY Young awards and many many more on the CY Young ballot.

It's not a matter of the system being broken. It's a matter of owners being disciplined enough to be prepared for ditr day. If owners treat ditr day like they did trades, draft day or intl negotiations, they could do the same.

There are many threads on this board that summarize how to take full advantage of ditr.

Posted by hockey1984 on 1/27/2021 9:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by damag on 1/27/2021 8:58:00 AM (view original):

Posted by hockey1984 on 1/27/2021 8:12:00 AM (view original):
I know its not a small tweak or bug fix but I figure we are throwing everything at the wall in this thread so I'll add that I think the DiTR system needs an overhaul.

I got 3 this season and even with the boost the will barely make AAA. It doesn't really effect me at all if my 19th round guy with splits of 11/12 now got bumped up to 20 and 30. He isn't even going to make a blip on my radar.

Honestly, if we got 1 DiTR each season but it was someone that would, for sure, at least make AAA and potentially make the Majors even as a 25th guy, I'd be happy.

Something to keep in mind is the total level of player distribution for the world you're in. The player generation algorithm has to be set up to aim for an overall distribution in order to create a World. The FAQs talk about "average for a position" for a reason. A team is not only just as good as its best players, it's also only as good as its worst players.

If you were to pull one ML level DITR every season, that would screw up the whole thing. It'd be like having two drafts per season, and drive the overall level of players up throughout the world.

Think about what it's like to play in a high-cap WiS sim league, which I hate. The more excellent players everyone has, the more it drives down the simulation results because the players cancel each other out. Everyone underachieves. I don't think we want to be sitting here saying that unless a player has five 80+ Hitting ratings, he won't be able to OPS .800.

But that isn't what I'm saying though. Right now in Riley my DiTR's were
Rod Brooks
Nash Giolito
and Adam Roberts

Issue 1 that I have is I really don't care that these guys gained DiTR status. None of them will even make AAA and will all be an afterthought. Really, the game could have told me only about Adam Roberts being a DiTR as with my Advanced scouting of 0 he is the only one that projects over 70.

The second part is that the DiTR process doesn't need to be a second draft. I'm not expecting MLB all stars or even serviceable players, but at least give me 1 player that I want to keep my eye on. The person could project to be 70/70 splits with a control of 50. Or be a defensive catcher with 40's for hitting stats. Or a SS with no bat. Just someone that I actually want to pay attention to rather then throw back on the junk pile.

The problem right now with DiTR's is that (from what I have read from other owners) there is a formula. Draft or get your guys as close to X overall without going over in hopes that they will DiTR and gain as many points possible to making them a ML'er. You know as well as I do that in Riley you pretty much have to sign every player you draft, then pick up guys off of the spring training invite list to fill your minors because there just aren't enough players. Add on top of this its a strategy that benefits owners that have figured out the algorithm and can exploit it.

Like I said, I don't expect a Mike Piazza or Albert Pujols in every draft, but if we are going to bother giving players DiTR status, give me something to pay interest in.

I disagree with this perspective and I will outline why below.

If I spend extra time in real life placing '????' into my draft class and every now and then it wields an MLB player, am I exploiting the algorithm in such a fashion that the draft needs an overhaul?

If I spend $5MM in intl scouting, but then still get great players in Intl because I know that other owners are bidding the guy up, he must be a great player, is that exploiting the algorithm? If so, is it so bad that the system needs an overhaul?

It's the same thing with DITR -- if i am spending extra time scouting guys that are great ditr candidates, then on ditr day, I do the work to make sure that the right candidates are active, does that mean the algorithms are being exploited? If so, then I guess the draft, ditr and IFA needs an overhaul.

If only certain owners are doing the work to take full advantage of opportunities and they do an overhaul because of it, the same owners will find efficiencies in the new system and the ones that don't find the new efficiencies in the new system will be back on the boards writing that another overhaul is needed shortly after the overhaul was implemented.

I agree. If you want to bust your *** trying to get DiTRs, go for it. Philosophically the same as reworking the entire way you budget a team so you can go after the best IFA every season. Or as tlowster implied, spending twice as much time setting your draft board as someone else might.

Posted by tlowster on 1/27/2021 10:34:00 AM (view original):
I am in 100 percent disagreement on the DITR overhaul. You can turn out good DITR players on consistent basis if you do it right. Take a look at any World in which I have participated for more than one season. I have consistently turned out mlb level DITR players. In fact, in the last three seasons across the World's in which I participate, I have had two Ditr pitchers win CY Young awards and many many more on the CY Young ballot.

It's not a matter of the system being broken. It's a matter of owners being disciplined enough to be prepared for ditr day. If owners treat ditr day like they did trades, draft day or intl negotiations, they could do the same.

There are many threads on this board that summarize how to take full advantage of ditr.

+1

Tlowster and I have talked quite a bit about DITRs. It's a great system to enable teams to grab prospects with out huge budget hits. Like he mentioned, it rewards effort and discipline. Its not a back breaker if you don't get a good one, but it's helpful to gain a prospect or two every season.

I put a good bit of effort in so much so that if I don't get an MLB starter quality or better player, I'm disappointed. I think the DITR system itself works great, I would argue the only thing you might change is the distribution of players selected. Adding a higher celing on the overall rating for SP, 3b/SS player types, etc.

Another small tweak I'd like.

Everyone gets a spring training boost.I just traded for two prospects, during free agency. Despite the trades completing before Spring Training even started, I don't get a spring training bump for either (instead the last mark says "trade"). They both played in every game, but because of this glitch they don't get a bump.

I only complain because the spring training boost is the biggest, and it's not super clear to whether they would make up these ratings later or not.

I always assumed it was a cumulative effect and those are just labels.

I like the idea of transparency as well. The spring training bump and season end promotion bump are the two biggest bumps in the game. If a trade occurs during or before spring training occurs, the bump usually occurs in the early season. However, im not certain if it's a big one. It would be nice to know if it's the same or if you miss the opportunity for the big bump.

You miss the opportunity for the big bump. You don't get it back later. It's a bug.

However, I just figured out a MacGyver for the related bug, where you lose the ST bump anytime a player is hurt at the end of ST, regardless of whether you DL him or not. The solution here is to promote the player between 11 PM and 3 AM the day Spring Training ends; in that case, you retain the ST bump, labeled as a "promotion" bump. I might try this the next time I trade for a player during ST (instead of what I do now, which is to ask the other owner to hold off on the trade until the ST bumps come in).

I would like to see more runners scoring from 2nd base on a two out single. Too many times the runner holds at third. Not very realistic.

Posted by dedelman on 1/29/2021 12:23:00 AM (view original):
You miss the opportunity for the big bump. You don't get it back later. It's a bug.

However, I just figured out a MacGyver for the related bug, where you lose the ST bump anytime a player is hurt at the end of ST, regardless of whether you DL him or not. The solution here is to promote the player between 11 PM and 3 AM the day Spring Training ends; in that case, you retain the ST bump, labeled as a "promotion" bump. I might try this the next time I trade for a player during ST (instead of what I do now, which is to ask the other owner to hold off on the trade until the ST bumps come in).

Good thinking. Please let us know how it goes.

Clarification, tlowster-- I know this works for injured players. I'm interested in trying it for traded players.

So on the injured player, can you promote him when hes on the DL? If not, you would have to keep him off the DL until the pm2 part two cycle, promote him (assuming he's not already at the mlb level), then place him on DL if that's the choice? This allows you to keep the bump? If so, nice find. Also, in your experience, does this promotion bump seem to be as impactful as the ST bump (I.e. really young players get really big bumps)?

He can't be on the DL; you have to keep him off the DL and then promote him. But the one time I did this I got what looked like a full ST bump.

I actually have 2 more and they both are small quality of life fixes.

1) I wish there was a way to see what my teams record was against other teams for a single season. Maybe somewhere when I click on the team it could come up. Its not a big deal but I'm in a playoff run in my division and determining the tie breakers I have to go back through the entire schedule and count game by game W vs L.

2) I love how there are descriptions for big plays at home where the player slides under the tag or collides with the back catcher but I've realized in my last games that there is nothing for an infield 'fielders choice' when I have a runner on 3rd, and less then 2 out. It often feels anti-climatic and I'm often scratching my head trying to figure out what happened when my boxscore says

A Rios Hits a triple
B John hits into a 6-2 fielders choice.

And I look and see a runner on first with 1 out and no runs scored.