What four pitchers who pitched for MLB teams based in Missouri (after 1933) with 552 combined career wins, all with lifetime ERAs below 3.75 were never named to an All Star team?

John Tudor has to be one.

Dennis Leonard

Bob Forsch?

Posted by crazystengel on 3/16/2021 11:34:00 PM (view original):
Bob Forsch?

20-7 in 1977!

Bobby Shantz?

Shantz 3x All-Star
Forsch 3.76

Tudor 3.12, 117 Wins

Leonard 3.70, 144 wins

Leibrandt 3.71, 140 wins is a candidate

Unless you meant their stats had to be accumulated entirely while in Missouri, the possibilities are hundreds, maybe thousands.

In addition to most of those already mentioned (Shantz was an all-star), I stopped very quickly in a 2 season search with :

Paul Dean 50/3.75
Dazzy Vance 197/3.24
Burleigh Grimes 270/3.53
Ed Heusser 56/3.69
Jesse Haines 210/3.64

Some of this was pre-'33 that also continued past, but did fit your criteria of "career". I get what you were trying to do and sounds fun, so, sorry.

Drago 3.62, 108 wins

It's John Denny, Bob Forsch, John Tudor and Dennis Leonard. Not one of these guys was ever chosen for an All-Star game.

People in the midwest often complain that their good players, even great ones like Musial or Henry Aaron, never got the attention that players in New York, Boston or the California teams to a lesser extent, got, and this at least provides a small piece of evidence that they may have a point.

As to whether the number of players could be infinite to fit this, I am not sure that is true. Some of the people mentioned above did pitch most of their careers before the All-Star game was established, so that disqualifies them, since it is like saying that no one from New York was ever elected President of the United States before 1776.

It had to be four, and during the All-Star game era, and they had to have pitched for Missouri-based teams, though not for their whole careers and it had to add up to 552 wins, and they all had to have career ERAs below 3.75. Anyway, I saw it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Dbwc48hYI

MLB Prime 9: Best Non All-Stars.

Posted by Mwett on 3/17/2021 1:21:00 AM (view original):
Unless you meant their stats had to be accumulated entirely while in Missouri, the possibilities are hundreds, maybe thousands.

In addition to most of those already mentioned (Shantz was an all-star), I stopped very quickly in a 2 season search with :

Paul Dean 50/3.75
Dazzy Vance 197/3.24
Burleigh Grimes 270/3.53
Ed Heusser 56/3.69
Jesse Haines 210/3.64

Some of this was pre-'33 that also continued past, but did fit your criteria of "career". I get what you were trying to do and sounds fun, so, sorry.

We are not understanding each other.

The All-Star game did not exist before 1933. So anything someone did that should have earned an All-Star team berth is pointless if it happened before 1933, and in my question their whole careers had to be post-existence of All-Star game, post 1933, that is.

Dazzy Vance pitched 2966 innings in his career, and only 176 of those were during the existence of the All-Star game. His record in 1933 and 1934 was 7-5. Hardly All-Star material.

Paul Dean did pitch his whole career after 1933 but his career ERA was 3.75, not under 3.75.

Burleigh Grimes went 7-12 after the All-Star game had been founded. He won 263 games BEFORE there was an All-Star team to be named to.

Ed Huesser had one winning season in his whole career and that was because it was World War Two and the competition sucked.

Jesse Haines went 29-23 over FIVE seasons after the All-Star game was founded. He won 181 games before that.

In other words, you are wasting people's time. I was clearly asking about pitchers that SHOULD have been on All-Star teams, not asking "which MLB players were never elected President of Russia".

So, now tell me of these five, which combination of FOUR of them adds up the win total that was specified in the question asked. Because I am pretty sure that there are NOT thousands of pitchers who never pitched in an All-Star game whose totals, if added to those of three other pitchers, would meet the criteria cited and who played for teams based in Missouri, Indeed, pretty sure that there have not been "thousands" of pitchers for Missouri-based MLB teams all told.

Anyway,

John Denny - Cy Young in 1983
John Tudor second in Cy Young voting in 1985 only because Doc Gooden had one of the greatest seasons every by a pitcher, and still not that much better than Tudor
Bob Forsch, two career no-hitters and 20 game winner in 1977, and 15-8 with a 3.48 ERA for national league champs St. Louis in 1982
Dennis Leonard, three 20-win seasons

Not one of them ever selected to an All-Star team.

I thought Larry Gura too but looked him up and just missed the cut at 3.76 ERA and one all star game