I like it quite a bit. Only change I might make is swapping Pitt and Xavier, putting Xavier in their more recent A-10 home and Pitt back in the Big East. But would it make sense to have Butler and Creighton but not Xavier? Not really, probably. I'd be thrilled if the changes you propose were implemented as-is.

And real life, yes npb, I agree... I would love if Syracuse joined the Big East as the 12th team. We can just play UConn 12 times in football. ACC is fun but not my first choice.

Cuse should be in ACC IMO...

Posted by cubcub113 on 3/25/2021 2:44:00 PM (view original):
Cuse should be in ACC IMO...

So Pittsburgh, Notre Dame and Louisville are on the outside of the new ACC?
And that assumes Maryland is moved to create an opening.

I can see why the original format had Louisiana teams in the same conf with schools in the Rockies.

Hi Guys,
Great input!

I'm 52, so i'm really old-school original 1979 Big East. West Virginia and Rutgers to me i associate more with the A-10, and i don't hardly associate them with Syracuse. To me Pitt is a Big East newbie, lol. To me, Syracuse's rivals are Georgetown, UConn, Villanova, and St John's.

If we stick with 12 teams, the ACC has limited space for their 15 teams. In real-life, the 16-team break-up was spearheaded by Oliver Luck at West Virginia. The second guilty party was the Norlander dude at Pitt.

Syracuse was the least guilty, and Boeheim expressed his desire to stay in the Big East. So they get the preferred spot in this new Big East.

Rutgers never made an NCAA coming out of the Big East

As a current Providence fan, i do want the HD Big East to include my new compadres of DePaul, Marquette, etc, and very strongly favor realignment.

I like realignment as well but putting Louisville in the AAC would suck.

Louisville has had an often-changing conference history.

Indy thru 1964.

Missouri Valley 1965 thru 75:
- with Tulsa, Drake, Bradley, Saint Louis, etc.

Metro (the great one) 1975 thru 91.
- with Memphis State, Cincinnati, Florida State, etc.

Metro (weak one) 1992 thru 95:
- Tulane, Charlotte, Virginia Tech, etc.

C-USA: 1996 thru 2005:
- Marquette, Memphis, DePaul, So Fla, Houston, etc.

Big East: 16-team legenday conf, 2006 thru 2013.

American: 2014.

ACC: 2015 to present.

So this scenario would re-connect Louisville with old Metro/ C-USA 40-year rivals.

A better Louisville scenario may be possible, and i would definitely support it. But i just can't figure out a really good one with the 12 team limit.

And it's funny-- if HD was created 2 years earlier, Louisville would've originally been placed in C-USA with Memphis, Houston, DePaul, Marquette, Tulane, South Florida... most of which is proposed to be placed in the new HD American conference.

You had me on board till you moved my beloved TCU horn frogs. This was alot of work and very well done but I would actually be frustrated if WIS changed it and choose to pick teams that are not currently in the conference over ones that are.

This highlights the difficulty of making these types of adjustments.

I appreciate the effort, you obviously put a lot of time into it. However, I never see WIS HD realigning any current worlds, it would cause too much chaos and **** some coaches off by the change, I know I have a couple teams that would be affected and would be hard to swallow, like Fresno St. I have absolutely no debate that they should be in the PAC 10, but the only reason I have them and probably most people do, is because they are and this would defeat the whole purpose of having the team and all the work I put in them.

it’s fun to talk about and a nice pipe dream and I get why it’s a topic, I just don’t think it would ever be feasible so such a large change.

Now if we created more worlds, I would absolutely agree they should change the conferences to look more like current day and this structure would make sense.

my 2 cents

Posted by texashick on 3/26/2021 10:06:00 AM (view original):
You had me on board till you moved my beloved TCU horn frogs. This was alot of work and very well done but I would actually be frustrated if WIS changed it and choose to pick teams that are not currently in the conference over ones that are.

This highlights the difficulty of making these types of adjustments.

Yes, the TCU thing is an issue.

From what i can come up with, either TCU has to be part of the Mountain West, or Notre Dame has to go to the Horizon.

As a diehard Big East fan, i would tend to side with TCU (even though i'm a lifelong Notre Dame football fan), because the Irish ran away from us in late 2012 when the Big East was completely vulnerable to utter and complete collapse...

I'd support any option and scenario that causes no aggravation and frustration, which i realize may not be possible.

Posted by rowle1js on 3/26/2021 10:24:00 AM (view original):
I appreciate the effort, you obviously put a lot of time into it. However, I never see WIS HD realigning any current worlds, it would cause too much chaos and **** some coaches off by the change, I know I have a couple teams that would be affected and would be hard to swallow, like Fresno St. I have absolutely no debate that they should be in the PAC 10, but the only reason I have them and probably most people do, is because they are and this would defeat the whole purpose of having the team and all the work I put in them.

it’s fun to talk about and a nice pipe dream and I get why it’s a topic, I just don’t think it would ever be feasible so such a large change.

Now if we created more worlds, I would absolutely agree they should change the conferences to look more like current day and this structure would make sense.

my 2 cents

Yes, the Fresno-Hawaii thing is a problem, i totally understand. As it is now, Fresno is at a huge disadvantage in the Pac-12, with a baseline prestige of C or C+, but that's part of the fun at Fresno of making a weaker school successful

The Tark MEAC is a force. Yes, some kind of deal would need to be made, where the Morris Brown or St Mary's entity (i think i put in Jacksonville?) swaps out with NC Central maybe? Not sure.

Mega conferences like MEAC are more common in D2 and D3. There are some D1 conferences that do this, but not nearly as common nor do they last too long.

But yes, you're right that it's an issue that may not have an acceptable solution.

The more i think, though, of my HD Friars in a cinference with Marquette and Creighton, the more enthusiastic i am about trying to get something to work.

Did I miss North Carolina somewhere?

i'm pretty sure fresno is b- baseline for what its worth.

cool stuff! i've always been on the not worth it side, but i get why so many folks care. it does keep getting worse and worse...

Posted by vegaskevin on 3/27/2021 1:55:00 PM (view original):
Did I miss North Carolina somewhere?

They're on the ACC list.

Posted by gillispie on 3/27/2021 2:14:00 PM (view original):
i'm pretty sure fresno is b- baseline for what its worth.

cool stuff! i've always been on the not worth it side, but i get why so many folks care. it does keep getting worse and worse...

Worse and worse for two reasons..

1. Everyday, the HD conference alignment grows more outdated and the real life team's grow/build more into their current conference. Rutgers becomes 'more big 10' and Memphis becomes 'more AAC'. Younger players or those newer to college basketball likely scratch their heads and question the legitimacy of the game. In that regard, I think an update sounds great.
2. Every season, the real life conference alignments change just a little bit more. The most drastic changes were about a decade ago but there's moves going on all the time so HD's alignment are constantly worsening. If we update now though, where's the line? Do we update after every IRL season? Every other? I know it's a small thing but just something to consider that I rarely see mentioned with this topic.

Currently, I'm the coach at Hampton in Tark MEAC and we're trying to do something real special there with some top tier coaches involved. In real life, Hampton is no longer in the MEAC. Do I just get shafted and moved because I happened to pick HU 10+ seasons ago? That seems crazy unfair and I'd consider dropping them entirely. Do you replace the name Hampton with the name NC Central? Even if you gave me all the same players, I'd likely be butthurt over it since I actually picked HU at the time for the nice color scheme (maybe silly, but I have DM proof of this haha!) and I would hate to move to the heart of NC for recruiting. I guess I just don't know if there's an easy solution to the conference realignment topic that will please everyone (with a community this large, no decision will ever please everyone). It's one of the things where - I hope they do what's in the best interest of HD as a whole - and let the cards fall as they may.