I'm considering recruiting an Ineligible player who has a Wants To Play preference. If I promise him minutes am I beholden to give them to him the first season he's eligible? Does it work the same way for a promised start?

Also, if I promise a player minutes/start am I right to think that promise only counts for his first season? Last, generally speaking, how much effect do you think promising minutes/start help recruiting of a player who wants to play?

Thanks!

1. No, but sometimes kids marked as ineligible can become eligible while you are recruiting them or some time before the next season starts. If you made promises to them and they become eligible, you have to uphold them. If they stay ineligible, you don't ever have to uphold the promise.

2. Yes, only first season

3. It will help a lot. Generally speaking, the more "good" preferences a player has, the more your recruiting effort will count for. If you plan on pursuing a player who has a "wants to play" preference, I would recommend promising them the minutes early on in recruiting. That way, all further recruiting actions you take will be worth "more".

Check his hs gpa. If it is 2.3 or under, it’s very improbable he will pass his SAT and become eligible by the end of recruiting. Above 2.3 and there’s a chance.

Also, keep in mind that with promises, you don’t need to hit 100%. I think it’s 5 regular season games you can bench the guy. I have a promise of 25 mins on a player who has fouled out a couple times this season after about 15 mins. Those foul outs don’t count toward his per game average for meeting the promise. To keep them happy, they only need to average about 23.5/game out of the 25.

Also, the promise start doesn’t have an effect for postseason. You can bench him.

Thanks Wales & Craig!

2 things -

you can't totally safely do 80% anymore on starts, it seems, although i think its usually fine. i don't think the game was intended to be so picky that a guy could quit after just a few missed starts, or perhaps even 1. but it does appear to be the case. i would stay at/north of 80% for the entire season myself, i am not comfortable going less, as the examples seem to have included early missed starts leading to early complaints. when the first guy posted about his dude leaving with 1 or 2 missed starts, i didn't really buy it, but there's several examples that have been posted by this point. (this topic is definitely not settled science and if anyone has examples of dudes leaving with minimal promise violation it would be awesome to see them!)

the second thing is, my understanding is the post season can't hurt you, but it can help you, when it comes to promises. it definitely used to be that way, now, not so sure. but anyway, if you are in the doghouse, i wouldn't consider the fight over when the CT rolls around. if you are safe heading into the CT, you are good to ignore promises the rest of the way.

Posted by gillispie on 4/2/2021 11:30:00 AM (view original):
2 things -

you can't totally safely do 80% anymore on starts, it seems, although i think its usually fine. i don't think the game was intended to be so picky that a guy could quit after just a few missed starts, or perhaps even 1. but it does appear to be the case. i would stay at/north of 80% for the entire season myself, i am not comfortable going less, as the examples seem to have included early missed starts leading to early complaints. when the first guy posted about his dude leaving with 1 or 2 missed starts, i didn't really buy it, but there's several examples that have been posted by this point. (this topic is definitely not settled science and if anyone has examples of dudes leaving with minimal promise violation it would be awesome to see them!)

the second thing is, my understanding is the post season can't hurt you, but it can help you, when it comes to promises. it definitely used to be that way, now, not so sure. but anyway, if you are in the doghouse, i wouldn't consider the fight over when the CT rolls around. if you are safe heading into the CT, you are good to ignore promises the rest of the way.

80% works 100% of the time, but you need to stay at 80% above

I'm almost certain we've had examples of above 80% starts, still causing a player to leave. I can't pull the player out of the air. But for whatever reason I remember discussions about this and it changed my 80% rule thoughts as well. Of course this would mean it's rare. But it would also mean 80% isn't 100% staying.

If anyone has had this happen to them, SPEAK UP!

I know I've had complaints while being above 80%. And I mean far enough along in the season where it becomes relevant. Like a complaint at game 21 with 17 starts

I’m quite positive I’ve had complaints at 80% too. 85 and up seems complaint-less. But yes, there is variance based on the individual players.

freshman that left with 27/31 starts. 22.5 minutes. So they can leave if even at 90% or more.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Stats.aspx?tid=4216&pid=4759765

Posted by oldwarrior on 4/2/2021 7:53:00 PM (view original):
freshman that left with 27/31 starts. 22.5 minutes. So they can leave if even at 90% or more.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Stats.aspx?tid=4216&pid=4759765

Look at the game log. He falls to 9/13 = 69% which is way lower than 80%

Posted by topdogggbm on 4/2/2021 2:15:00 PM (view original):
I'm almost certain we've had examples of above 80% starts, still causing a player to leave. I can't pull the player out of the air. But for whatever reason I remember discussions about this and it changed my 80% rule thoughts as well. Of course this would mean it's rare. But it would also mean 80% isn't 100% staying.

If anyone has had this happen to them, SPEAK UP!

I know I've had complaints while being above 80%. And I mean far enough along in the season where it becomes relevant. Like a complaint at game 21 with 17 starts

17 out of 21 would be 80.9%, so you would be fine.

Posted by cubcub113 on 4/2/2021 10:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by oldwarrior on 4/2/2021 7:53:00 PM (view original):
freshman that left with 27/31 starts. 22.5 minutes. So they can leave if even at 90% or more.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Stats.aspx?tid=4216&pid=4759765

Look at the game log. He falls to 9/13 = 69% which is way lower than 80%

Of course it is. At THAT point (where only 13 games were played. But we're talking about the entire season). But then after consecutive starts from the assumed time of hate mail, never missed a start afterwards. Ended with 22/26 in the season, or 24/28 by CTs end.

Well over 80%.

And in my example that you responded to, I'm telling you that after 17/21, I DID receive the complaint. So over 80% still "can" complain/leave. And that it's not 100%