there is a lot to like there, not sure clean high impact usage by itself without elite secondary/tertiary support stats is sufficient for top 10 by itself but I wouldn't blink at seeing 70d Dame in the first round somewhere

I really wanted to pick him in the 2nd, but his defense + Barkley's mediocre D would have hurt too much.

Hopefully Dame and Karl can give each other some breathing room.

I gotta say, I really like the starting trio of Harden, Simmons, and Drummond. A great start on just about everything, although a defensive big who rebounds well will be tough to come by in the later rounds.

Posted by dontburnearl on 4/14/2021 12:49:00 PM (view original):
If Lillard had a defensive rating of 70+, he is a top 10 pick, correct?

when it came time for my 2nd round selection i serious considered Lillard before finally deciding to go with draymond green.

Posted by ashamael on 4/14/2021 2:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tarheel1991 on 4/13/2021 4:43:00 PM (view original):
Wait - how did ronsouth end up with the #9 pick plus a 2nd, 3rd, two 4ths, and two 5ths? That's some savvy trading but it seems someone must have messed up, lol

He traded his 2nd & 3rd for #9 and a 4th

then traded his own 1st - a much lower pick @20 - along with his 2x 6th for a 2, 3, and a 5.

One of these deals makes the other look really bad. i haven't been part of this league for more than half a decade, so I'm not sure what the typical deal looks like, but those are the deals.

Yeah, the first one is the one that deviates from the norm - a 2nd and 3rd for #9 and a 4th is super cheap for a top-10 pick.

Posted by tarheel1991 on 4/14/2021 4:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 4/14/2021 2:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tarheel1991 on 4/13/2021 4:43:00 PM (view original):
Wait - how did ronsouth end up with the #9 pick plus a 2nd, 3rd, two 4ths, and two 5ths? That's some savvy trading but it seems someone must have messed up, lol

He traded his 2nd & 3rd for #9 and a 4th

then traded his own 1st - a much lower pick @20 - along with his 2x 6th for a 2, 3, and a 5.

One of these deals makes the other look really bad. i haven't been part of this league for more than half a decade, so I'm not sure what the typical deal looks like, but those are the deals.

Yeah, the first one is the one that deviates from the norm - a 2nd and 3rd for #9 and a 4th is super cheap for a top-10 pick.

To be fair, the only other offers I received for #9 were from other owners in the top 10, and I wanted at least one pick in the top 40. In the past 2-3 drafts, I’ve done 1-6-6 for 2-3-4, but that wasn’t a viable option this time around

I mean I hear you, but I'd rather just keep #9 if the deal is 1/4 for 2/3. Or counter ron's offer to something more reasonable. #9 by itself is worth more than anyone's 2nd and 3rd. And I'm not usually one for policing trades too closely, just realize it warps the draft for everyone else when you look at ronsouth and realize he ended up with a #1 pick higher than what he started with and managed to switch two 6ths for a 4th and a 5th in the process.

Posted by tarheel1991 on 4/14/2021 6:17:00 PM (view original):
I mean I hear you, but I'd rather just keep #9 if the deal is 1/4 for 2/3. Or counter ron's offer to something more reasonable. #9 by itself is worth more than anyone's 2nd and 3rd. And I'm not usually one for policing trades too closely, just realize it warps the draft for everyone else when you look at ronsouth and realize he ended up with a #1 pick higher than what he started with and managed to switch two 6ths for a 4th and a 5th in the process.

Well, no, it just warps the draft for ronsouth. Most owners' draft positions remain unchanged.

hoops didn't want the 1st. If he builds a great squad out of what he has, doesn't really matter if he needed the extra round or not. You have to give him credit for knowing what he wants, even if it doesn't work out for him.

For everyone else, the draft remains pretty much unchanged. I'm a firm believer that ADP/snake orders exist to facilitate player selection, not dictate it. ADP to me is more like a tour guide than an instruction manual; I'll consult it if I'm in unfamiliar territory, if I were to trade out of the 1st for example, but otherwise I don't need it to build a team. I understand the standard logic of having higher picks, but maybe it's more important to have picks in a certain area than it is to have higher picks. Owners may be more comfortable with having picks that are closer together in a certain round. There's no uniform code for trading, much as it may feel like simple arithmetic

competitive balance

that said, I got no beef

Posted by bds9992 on 4/14/2021 6:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tarheel1991 on 4/14/2021 6:17:00 PM (view original):
I mean I hear you, but I'd rather just keep #9 if the deal is 1/4 for 2/3. Or counter ron's offer to something more reasonable. #9 by itself is worth more than anyone's 2nd and 3rd. And I'm not usually one for policing trades too closely, just realize it warps the draft for everyone else when you look at ronsouth and realize he ended up with a #1 pick higher than what he started with and managed to switch two 6ths for a 4th and a 5th in the process.

Well, no, it just warps the draft for ronsouth. Most owners' draft positions remain unchanged.

hoops didn't want the 1st. If he builds a great squad out of what he has, doesn't really matter if he needed the extra round or not. You have to give him credit for knowing what he wants, even if it doesn't work out for him.

For everyone else, the draft remains pretty much unchanged. I'm a firm believer that ADP/snake orders exist to facilitate player selection, not dictate it. ADP to me is more like a tour guide than an instruction manual; I'll consult it if I'm in unfamiliar territory, if I were to trade out of the 1st for example, but otherwise I don't need it to build a team. I understand the standard logic of having higher picks, but maybe it's more important to have picks in a certain area than it is to have higher picks. Owners may be more comfortable with having picks that are closer together in a certain round. There's no uniform code for trading, much as it may feel like simple arithmetic

If only there were a mechanism for owners to select lower picks that are closer together, rather than picks towards the top of the draft...

Posted by tarheel1991 on 4/14/2021 6:17:00 PM (view original):
I mean I hear you, but I'd rather just keep #9 if the deal is 1/4 for 2/3. Or counter ron's offer to something more reasonable. #9 by itself is worth more than anyone's 2nd and 3rd. And I'm not usually one for policing trades too closely, just realize it warps the draft for everyone else when you look at ronsouth and realize he ended up with a #1 pick higher than what he started with and managed to switch two 6ths for a 4th and a 5th in the process.

Yeah, moved up from 20 to 9 while moving up from two sixes to a 4th & a 5th.

That's Ben level dealing. Well done by Ronsouth IMO. Now the question is: what will he do with the talent? Can he make it pay off?

Posted by tarheel1991 on 4/14/2021 6:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bds9992 on 4/14/2021 6:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tarheel1991 on 4/14/2021 6:17:00 PM (view original):
I mean I hear you, but I'd rather just keep #9 if the deal is 1/4 for 2/3. Or counter ron's offer to something more reasonable. #9 by itself is worth more than anyone's 2nd and 3rd. And I'm not usually one for policing trades too closely, just realize it warps the draft for everyone else when you look at ronsouth and realize he ended up with a #1 pick higher than what he started with and managed to switch two 6ths for a 4th and a 5th in the process.

Well, no, it just warps the draft for ronsouth. Most owners' draft positions remain unchanged.

hoops didn't want the 1st. If he builds a great squad out of what he has, doesn't really matter if he needed the extra round or not. You have to give him credit for knowing what he wants, even if it doesn't work out for him.

For everyone else, the draft remains pretty much unchanged. I'm a firm believer that ADP/snake orders exist to facilitate player selection, not dictate it. ADP to me is more like a tour guide than an instruction manual; I'll consult it if I'm in unfamiliar territory, if I were to trade out of the 1st for example, but otherwise I don't need it to build a team. I understand the standard logic of having higher picks, but maybe it's more important to have picks in a certain area than it is to have higher picks. Owners may be more comfortable with having picks that are closer together in a certain round. There's no uniform code for trading, much as it may feel like simple arithmetic

If only there were a mechanism for owners to select lower picks that are closer together, rather than picks towards the top of the draft...

I didn't think it was egregious. I thought the trade was clearly in ronsouth's favor, but I didn't think it was terrible for hoopsdude. He gave his rationale, and he clearly didn't want to make the pick and wanted more depth. There wasn't a better offer; I thought about it but couldn't figure out how I would use the 9th pick in time. So it is. I think the rest of us will manage

As my pick comes closer and closer I become increasingly aware that I have no idea who I want


*More so that I am just second guessing my strategy this time around

I finally decide who I want and one of you yahoos pick him. How dare you want a high quality player like Walton