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Posted by Uofa2 on 4/22/2021 9:32:00 PM (view original):
Look at all the power grabs being passed in state legislatures, you lying *******.

Look at our AG who should be on the Supreme Court.

These proposals are responses to the gerrymandering power grabs republicans have performed for the past 10-20 years.

Also, DC being a state would be representation for them. That’s not a power grab, it’s democracy. Ending the filibuster, also, democracy - it’s been misused and abused throughout its actual short history in the senate.

You should read the constitution sometime. DC was not made a state on purpose. It was carved out of existing states.

Should the Dems wish to change it, they should carve it back in. Anyhing else is a power grab.

And, my god, yes changing the nature of the judiciary, as defined by the constitution, is a power grab of the most power-grabby sorts. It was so when FDR tried to do it, and it is so now. For Christ's sake, the dems already control 2 out of 3 branches of govt...do they really want to make us a one party state like their friends in China that bad?

But, mostly, read one ******* book on American history / constitutional theory (Hint: Gordon Wood is a good start) and get back to me.
4/22/2021 9:36 PM
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Isn’t it possible that denying the rights of fellow citizens is a power grab.
that’s the problem with right wingers.
first they look at the purse and then they say to hell with people.
they use the constitution and ancient history as a weapon whenever they have to.

and they use the same priorities to keep us on a crash course with environmental cataclysim.
woe is we.
4/22/2021 9:43 PM
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Posted by Guitarguy567 on 4/22/2021 9:24:00 PM (view original):
Trump was, is, and will be an idiot. If I have ever implied support for him it was out of an even greater fear of the radical left that is seeking to completely upend our constitution and our country.

The more I think about it, the more I think conservatism is an absolutely doomed project. And the more I think about capitalism, the more I despise it and the more I realize that the Democrats are now the corporate (and thus capitalistic) political party of this country. I don't think there is a current workable solution available.

We need new leaders and new ideas to emerge. These old ones don't work and they are getting ever more dangerous by the minute (Democrats are the real fascists. I mean this sincerely. Look at ALL the power grabs being proposed. Court Packing, ending the filibuster, the 51st state, greater and greater control of social media etc. It should be scary - these expert gaslighters are going for broke.)
You clearly dickrode for Trump for months. But whatever.

I don't know that Democrats are the corporate party. Look at the Amazon Unionization effort. Republicans broadly backed Amazon, Democrats backed the Union. When it comes down to policy disagreements, Republicans are pro-corporate and Democrats aren't. The only reason companies embrace social movements is because there are more left-wing people than right wing people - they'll make more money by framing themselves as inclusive than the vice versa.

Now on to fascism. First, fascism doesn't just mean "grabbing power" (look up Umberto Eco's 14 points and see how many Trump fits). But let's talk about your examples.
  • Court Packing: I don't agree with court packing but it's a response to conservative power grabs re Garland and ACB. They basically stole a court seat by violating democratic norms, so if anything this is just a 1 to 1 retaliation.
  • Ending the filibuster: The filibuster absolutely needs to be reformed, if not abolished. Keep in mind that it didn't exist until 1917 and wasn't widely used until last decade. Ending the filibuster would arguably restore the founding vision of this country, not block it. Not sure how this is fascist unless you think the founding fathers were fascist. Also, this doesn't just benefit Democrats; it helps Republicans when they get into office too.
  • DC statehood: I could easily make a case for DC statehood without talking about Democratic Senate seats. The only people who are talking about this being a power grab is Republicans, in fact it seems to be their only argument on the issue, whereas I don't see that from the Democratic side.
  • Social media: It's Republicans who want more government intervention in social media, aren't they the ones who want a (ironically) socialized version of Twitter? Or revoking section 230 which would end all social media? The Dems are the free market ones on this issue.
But what about the other side? Republicans in Georgia just passed a law that would have allowed them to potentially steal the 2020 election, which is terrifying. Voting reforms as a whole that are transparently meant to increase Republican chances of victory? What about the electoral college, which is affirmative action for Republicans? Or the widespread use of gerrymandering? Cmon, man.
4/22/2021 9:50 PM
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Posted by Guitarguy567 on 4/22/2021 9:38:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Uofa2 on 4/22/2021 9:32:00 PM (view original):
Look at all the power grabs being passed in state legislatures, you lying *******.

Look at our AG who should be on the Supreme Court.

These proposals are responses to the gerrymandering power grabs republicans have performed for the past 10-20 years.

Also, DC being a state would be representation for them. That’s not a power grab, it’s democracy. Ending the filibuster, also, democracy - it’s been misused and abused throughout its actual short history in the senate.

You should read the constitution sometime. DC was not made a state on purpose. It was carved out of existing states.

Should the Dems wish to change it, they should carve it back in. Anyhing else is a power grab.

And, my god, yes changing the nature of the judiciary, as defined by the constitution, is a power grab of the most power-grabby sorts. It was so when FDR tried to do it, and it is so now. For Christ's sake, the dems already control 2 out of 3 branches of govt...do they really want to make us a one party state like their friends in China that bad?

But, mostly, read one ******* book on American history / constitutional theory (Hint: Gordon Wood is a good start) and get back to me.
OK, so if anything outside of the constitution is a power grab, what's your problem with ending the filibuster? Couldn't I just tell you to read the Constitution? You're all over the place.

Reminder that DC wasn't a city when it was chosen for the capitol - do you really think the founders would be OK with effectively denying political representation to thousands of people?

What if Democrats carved out a DC capitol district that was just the White House, capitol building and immediate surrounding area, and made everything else a state? Would you be OK with that? I'm willing to bet that would meet the founding vision far more than our current system does.
4/22/2021 9:54 PM
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You got rolled already but just lol at you coming up with Gordon Wood, what a beautiful response and pitch perfect summation of the boring stereotypical wasp loser you are.
4/22/2021 10:00 PM
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In my world of thinking common sense dominates.
people live in a sovereign city.....close to a million people.
it has no statehood. They have no representation in the senate.
hence they are deprived of a basic right.
they cannot be treated as subjugated individuals forced to lose their own sovereignty by being melded into a separate state with laws they don’t want and leaders they did not elect.

it is pretty basic.
you just have to start where you are supposed to start.
4/22/2021 10:04 PM
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Interesting how far off topic y'all have gotten here.
While I have no interest in this tangent, there was a specific reference to unions which I think brings us back on point.

IMO, the police union is the single biggest obstacle in trying to bring about substantial reform. I know several police officers who serve in different locales and without a single exception they all know "bad apples" on their force. Problem is the union won't allow anything to be done about it. Best they can do in most circumstances is try to keep them behind a desk and off the street, but it's not always possible.

The purpose of THIS thread was to discuss the reality of this specific case. I wanted to compare facts against how the WH and folks like LeBron jumped on this IMMEDIATELY with a presumption of bad officer doing a bad thing before knowing any facts.
I asked an honest question and got about 3 sincere answers and one "I'll look into it", before the tangent.

There's far too much dishonesty driving a narrative of division. To point at this case as anything other than a policeman saving the life of a young girl doesn't help in any honest discussion on the topic of police misconduct against minorities. In fact it detracts from it immensely.

4/23/2021 12:08 AM
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Smart post.
There is a policy of omertà that mirrors organized crime and the unions certainly do nothing to foster the ousting of bad cops and keep them on the force no matter how many civil complaints because of collective bargaining agreements and protections.
I agree that the unions don’t contribute to reform on any major basis.
now is the time to take advantage of momentum it does look like a bipartisan senate policing bill is on the horizon.
4/23/2021 12:20 AM (edited)
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Agreed police unions are our biggest obstacle to change and that the good cops need to do more about calling out the bad cops.

4/23/2021 7:15 AM
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I concur.
4/23/2021 8:05 AM
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Posted by Uofa2 on 4/23/2021 7:15:00 AM (view original):
Agreed police unions are our biggest obstacle to change and that the good cops need to do more about calling out the bad cops.

YEP!! Totally agree.

I knew this cop in Vancouver. Knew him pretty well. He was a former heavyweight boxer ranked in the top 100 worldwide by Ring Magazine.

Kind of a scary guy. He didn't mind beating the crap out of the odd troublemaker.. 'Off the record' of course, but he also decked an undercover RCMP. Not good.

Anyhow this guy was found to be involved in a burglary ring and was fired. He was off the force for 5 years.. but that Union.. they love honesty.. they got him his job back with back pay of almost $300,000

I hate unions. .. unless they are connecting piping or freight cars
4/23/2021 8:17 AM
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Police unions are uniquely bad.
4/23/2021 8:28 AM
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Posted by tangplay on 4/23/2021 8:28:00 AM (view original):
Police unions are uniquely bad.
As are Teacher's Unions. Government Unions. CUPE and the whole lot. and I have seen how they will muzzled any dissenters in the political scene
4/23/2021 8:37 AM
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Posted by lostnfound74 on 4/23/2021 8:37:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 4/23/2021 8:28:00 AM (view original):
Police unions are uniquely bad.
As are Teacher's Unions. Government Unions. CUPE and the whole lot. and I have seen how they will muzzled any dissenters in the political scene
That’s bullshit. Police unions are bad ONLY because of their willingness to protect bad cops and keep them in rotation.
Bad police officers are a special species.

Unions are good and we need them and cops need them and are entitled to them.
4/23/2021 12:32 PM
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To be clear, police unions are really ******* good at what they do. I don't even know what could be done to stop them. We need that same energy to protecting regular, good workers, not murderous cops.
4/23/2021 1:02 PM
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