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Posted by tangplay on 4/28/2021 12:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bruceleefan on 4/28/2021 12:18:00 PM (view original):
Seems absurd to have to even mention this in this discussion but based on many responses it definitely is warranted.

"Jewish" is both a religion AND an ethnicity.
Sammy Davis Jr. was Jewish but not Jewish.

The persecution of the Jews comes from those who are opposed to the ethnicity and not the religion.

Yes they are intimately linked, but they are also two entirely differently things.

True, actually. I have probably been conflating the two too much in this conversation. To be clear, I am ethnically Jewish, not religiously Jewish. My great grandmother escaped the Holocaust by fleeing Hungary.

But then the idea of it being a "Jewish state" is even worse because you're talking about preserving an ethnic majority, which is the dictionary definition of an ethnostate.

Omg. You are not part of the Jewish people.
you are not Jewish if you accept Jesus as God.
you only have Jewish ancestry.
if you have Jewish ancestry and are atheist but don’t accept false gods but consider your a part of the Jewish people and consider Israel your eternal homeland even with some disagreements then you are Jewish.
you - my friend are not Jewish even if you eat a bagel once in a while.
you have abandoned the Jewish people.
and you don’t even want to say what you believe.
I thought you were Lutheran.

Dino, I don't think you (or anyone else) have the right to tell tang what he is or isn't. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but how one identifies oneself is his/her/their business.

He has every right to be deluded but he is not Jewish by Jewish law or by prevailing Jewish standards.
he can call himself green.
if he thinks it that is his business .
he can call himself Jewish and I can call myself Korean but I’m not Korean.

well, by Jewish law, my kids are not Jewish because their mother isn't. They still refer to themselves as Jewish. Are they fake Jews too. In my opinion, tang has just as much right to call himself Jewish as someone like cccp, who admits he does not practice the religion, but says he is Jewish by culture. So, did you have a problem with that guy ( I don't remember his username) who wished to be identified as they/them instead of him. By your argument, you would tell him he has a *****, therefore he is a him.
Personally, I don't really care what tang calls himself, or what you call him. I just don't think you, or I (or anyone) should be telling someone what they are or aren't.
Also, if you want to identify as Korean, go for it. I have no idea what you look like, but I'm guessing anyone could look at you and know that you are not Korean by birth.

You are Jewish and they are Jewish if they choose Judaism or secularism with true Jewish identity.
maybe not by orthodox law but most Jews would consider them Jewish if they have chosen a Jewish identity. A Jewish identity means not Christian and a belief in some type of unknown God be it Old Testament or totally personal God but not a humanized deity.

it is rather simple to understand.

whatever. I'm sorry I commented at all. Not worth arguing about.

Did you give them a bar mitzvah ?

I had a bar mitzvah. My family celebrates Hanukkah. I'm culturally and ethnically Jewish. I'm just also a Christian. As we've already established, ethnic Judaism and religious Judaism are not the same. You can be ethnically Jewish without being religiously Jewish and vice versa.

so i'm not clear on the outcome here



dino

you're racist, am i correct

Posted by tangplay on 4/28/2021 6:46:00 PM (view original):
I had a bar mitzvah. My family celebrates Hanukkah. I'm culturally and ethnically Jewish. I'm just also a Christian. As we've already established, ethnic Judaism and religious Judaism are not the same. You can be ethnically Jewish without being religiously Jewish and vice versa.

No you believe in Jesus - not a Jew by even the most liberal Jewish interpretation.

Posted by dino27 on 4/28/2021 6:31:00 PM (view original):
Did you give them a bar mitzvah ?

No, I didn't. What does that have to do with anything? Does that mean they have no claim to being Jewish? I was bar mitvahed, and both my parents were Jewish, so I guess I am safe.

Posted by bagchucker on 4/28/2021 7:00:00 PM (view original):
so i'm not clear on the outcome here



dino

you're racist, am i correct

I do think you are.
Some of your anti Asian stuff has made me cringe often.
and who the **** are you calling me a racist because I’m proud to be Jewish and support the creation of Israel and its perpetuation.

are you really pro Palestinian or just anti Israel.
I agree completely with guitar guy about schmucks like you.

Posted by wylie715 on 4/28/2021 7:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 4/28/2021 6:31:00 PM (view original):
Did you give them a bar mitzvah ?

No, I didn't. What does that have to do with anything? Does that mean they have no claim to being Jewish? I was bar mitvahed, and both my parents were Jewish, so I guess I am safe.

No. I’m just saying with a Jewish parent and a bar mitzvah and a non Christian identity it would be a slam dunk.
you asked and I’m telling you.
if they have a non Christian identity and identify as Jewish they are definitely Jewish among all Jews that I know.
it is just that simple and I am not sure but I think Israel does take them as citizens.

Posted by dino27 on 4/28/2021 7:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bagchucker on 4/28/2021 7:00:00 PM (view original):
so i'm not clear on the outcome here



dino

you're racist, am i correct

I do think you are.
Some of your anti Asian stuff has made me cringe often.
and who the **** are you calling me a racist because I’m proud to be Jewish and support the creation of Israel and its perpetuation.

are you really pro Palestinian or just anti Israel.
I agree completely with guitar guy about schmucks like you.

the correct anser was Yes, yes i am racist against towel heads and i regret it but my people are from there and sh*theel people who think they are from there gotta get the f*ck out if we cain get along

Sounds to me like being Jewish is all about how you view yourself. Same with Christianity I suppose.
Heck maybe that's where these young'uns that are confused as to what they be GOT the idea!
I wouldn't want to associate with any group of folks who'd want ME in their group anyways.
And, I sure ain't holier than ANYBODY else. The whole idea repulses me as well as confounds me.

It also sounds to me like Jews are inherently self-pious IF they can't accept Jesus as the Son just because he had a human deity/form.
That's judgmental.

And Dino, my friend, you're way out of whack on this one.
You do NOT get to decide who is or who isn't Jewish........... just as I don't get to decide who gets to ramble around my favorite mountain range.
I can try and scare 'em off, though.
I got a variety of tricks.

Posted by bagchucker on 4/28/2021 7:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 4/28/2021 7:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bagchucker on 4/28/2021 7:00:00 PM (view original):
so i'm not clear on the outcome here



dino

you're racist, am i correct

I do think you are.
Some of your anti Asian stuff has made me cringe often.
and who the **** are you calling me a racist because I’m proud to be Jewish and support the creation of Israel and its perpetuation.

are you really pro Palestinian or just anti Israel.
I agree completely with guitar guy about schmucks like you.

the correct anser was Yes, yes i am racist against towel heads and i regret it but my people are from there and sh*theel people who think they are from there gotta get the f*ck out if we cain get along

Hey goon I don’t think any of those things at all. I absolutely believe the Palestinians belong there and should have their Ian country and so does Israel and almost all Jews.
and I don’t like the term towel heads and would never ever use it and it is not funny.

Posted by laramiebob on 4/28/2021 7:36:00 PM (view original):
Sounds to me like being Jewish is all about how you view yourself. Same with Christianity I suppose.
Heck maybe that's where these young'uns that are confused as to what they be GOT the idea!
I wouldn't want to associate with any group of folks who'd want ME in their group anyways.
And, I sure ain't holier than ANYBODY else. The whole idea repulses me as well as confounds me.

It also sounds to me like Jews are inherently self-pious IF they can't accept Jesus as the Son just because he had a human deity/form.
That's judgmental.

And Dino, my friend, you're way out of whack on this one.
You do NOT get to decide who is or who isn't Jewish........... just as I don't get to decide who gets to ramble around my favorite mountain range.
I can try and scare 'em off, though.
I got a variety of tricks.

I’m not deciding I’m just discussing the prevelant thought on the subject.
I don’t understand your point about pious and Jesus.
im just saying that the Jewish religion literally considers it a sin to pray to idols or to accept God in a human form and that is why it is literally impossible to be Jewish and Christian at the same time and all 4 sects of Judaism are adamant on this issue.
rabbis will officiate inter marriages but on the definition of who is Jewish believing in Jesus as God excludes you because it is God in human form even if Jesus was Jewish. It does bot matter.

I hope that explains.

And just to be clear the above is in no way disrespect to Christians.
it is not easy to convert to Judaism from another religion.
you have to go through a period of studies and tests and prove yourself like becoming an American citizens.
we abhor prostelizing and don’t do it. Converts must seek out Judaism entirely on their own.

Oh and except for tiny pockets of orthodox we believe all good people can have equal entry into heaven if there is one no matter what religion or no religion or atheists. Judaism is a pathway but the group does not accept certain concepts about God....that’s the religion part and overrides everything else.
it is all about the deeds not the beliefs regarding heaven.