As I said yesterday even these houses that the settlers want to take were the actual properties of the Jews purchased in the 1800s and theirs until taken by Jordan in the 1948 war and given to Arabs.
the settlers want to return it.

do you think that west jerusulam where the temple is has been devoid of Jews until the U.N. partition.

conclusions first and facts be damned.
israel is the Jewish reservation.

Also in the partition israel got a much lesser populated area that had much more desert.

Posted by dino27 on 5/14/2021 1:06:00 AM (view original):
You are a joke because you can’t tolerate this little Jewish country in the middle of 450 million Arabs.
like it really harms anyone except haters of Jewish people and the unfortunate tradition of Islamic jealousy.
I recite history because you keep on talking about current events as one long progression of the same which they are not and disregard the underpinnings of where things are now.
and I recite history to show just how racially charged are the true motivations and hearts of people who get all hot and bothered that there be a little Jewish country the size of New Jersey created special by the United Nations stuck in middle of 450 million Islamic Arabs that until recently called for the destruction of Israel because they got a sliver of land mostly desert with no oil.
Iran remains as a people living and lusting and dreaming for the death of Israel with unnatural uncivilized hate.

you are a joke. I have no respect for your intellect or common sense or sense of justice or morality and ethics.

I've never claimed that Israel should be destroyed. I also disagree with the radical Arabs in this regard.

The fact that you consistently strawman me on this point and refuse to engage with my actual arguments is extremely telling and kind of hilarious.

Also, "it's just a little colonization, I'm sure Israel will completely stop kicking Palestinians out of their homes once they get this neighborhood."

Stop excusing colonialism. It's wrong.

Posted by Guitarguy567 on 5/14/2021 5:56:00 AM (view original):
You make another good point about Iran. The current administration needs to get MUCH more tough with them.

Why, exactly? The Iran deal was one of the best foreign policy agreements of my lifetime.

Why are you such a war hawk? Saudi Arabia is way worse than Iran, IMO

Posted by tangplay on 5/14/2021 9:48:00 AM (view original):
Also, "it's just a little colonization, I'm sure Israel will completely stop kicking Palestinians out of their homes once they get this neighborhood."

Stop excusing colonialism. It's wrong.

Moron- you started this argument about Israel being a racist country that should not be allowed to be Jewish.

nobody said the settlers were right and they are not Israel btw.

Can we see how RELIGION ***** the whole equation yet? ZEALOTS man. They ALL suck. This entire thread is proof that the wave of agnosticism slowly creeping over America can’t happen fast enough. A couple more generations and maybe this antiquated and blind adherence to (insert religion here) will fall away and things that actually matter, like science, equality, human rights and SURVIVAL of the species, will take hold. In the meantime you guys keep up the fight to figure out who is more justified to kill each other over “God.” I’m sure whatever you THINK that is is proud of you.

The last occupier of the whole region before the U.N. stepped in was Britain and it was the Jews fighting violently with the British for a long time - kind of a war for independence.
when the land was partitioned England kicked it woulda and was a sore loser and Abstained during the whole process.

In fact during the 1948 war Jordan annexed part of the Palestinian part of the land given to them from the partition - they annexed part of the West Bank and Palestinians live in trans Jordan and no one says give back that confiscated land.

The thousands of people kneeling in the streets asking forgiveness for social justice issues they really dont understand is proof that religious sentiment (aka dogmatism) has never been stronger in this country. It just goes under the name leftism now.

The concept of original sin is very much alive and well my friends!

This ought to be a hoot..........Please, Sir.

Inform me.
Just exactly what IS your definition of the "original sin"?

Posted by dino27 on 5/14/2021 9:39:00 AM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 5/14/2021 9:09:00 AM (view original):
Texans went to war when someone else attempted to set their "boundaries". Became The Republic of Texas.

Folks don't usually like it when someone else decides to DECIDE just what land should be "allocated" to the folks.
Especially when all the Land used to be theirs.
Ask any Indian.

Both had the land for thousands of years.
you are making a mistake with your analogy.
where do you think the Jews started.
they were always there.
they weren’t allocated there.
such a shame that your blindness could obscure such an obvious fact.
the land was divided but the Arabs living in the Jewish portion stayed there and were part of it.
the land was held by Jews and Arabs when the U.N. partitioned it into halves. Jews were always there and never were not.
The Jews could just as easily said no - it is all ours.

the Jews said we are happy to share.
the Arabs would not share.

all the land was never of the Arabs - that is your fatal mistake.

get it now?

When I spoke using the term "allocated" I WAS referring to the Palestinians, but I see that You are correct it was the land given to Israel that was an "allocation" of property.

The Palestinians (as a result of that and the other matters you mention) haven't been allocated anything.
THEY have no land to call theirs.

Hell, even many of the Apache have a land of their own!

Bullshit - they refused their land and borders.
don’t blame Israel which existed first.
who do you think built Jerusulam.
Always blame the Jews and forgive the poor Palestinians.
they were allocated half - not nothing like you say.

you should be ashamed.

Posted by Guitarguy567 on 5/14/2021 10:17:00 AM (view original):
The thousands of people kneeling in the streets asking forgiveness for social justice issues they really dont understand is proof that religious sentiment (aka dogmatism) has never been stronger in this country. It just goes under the name leftism now.

The concept of original sin is very much alive and well my friends!

First of all, I am not our friend. Second, when you say social justice issues they really don't understand, you just mean hey have different points of view than you do. Maybe it is you who doesn't understand. Ever consider that? I doubt it.

Posted by dino27 on 5/14/2021 9:54:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/14/2021 9:48:00 AM (view original):
Also, "it's just a little colonization, I'm sure Israel will completely stop kicking Palestinians out of their homes once they get this neighborhood."

Stop excusing colonialism. It's wrong.

Moron- you started this argument about Israel being a racist country that should not be allowed to be Jewish.

nobody said the settlers were right and they are not Israel btw.

You're repeatedly justifying the Israeli government's actions with the settlers.

I think ISRAEL should exist. I don't think Israel should be an ethnostate.

Do you think black people should have their own country? And keep all the white people out of the country?