MLB is now batting .235 Topic

It's the lowest league batting average ever. Lower than the .237 MLB hit in 1968. .They managed .239 a couple times in 1888 and 1908, according to baseball-reference.com.

Not to worry though: MLB runs scored per team per game is 4.33, well under the 4.65 of 2020 or 4.83 of 2019, but still higher than the 4.32 of 2012, and 4.28 of 2011. Which makes us wonder: if OBP is the key to scoring runs, what about OBP?

It's sitting currently at .311, which is the lowest OBP since 1972 when runs scored per team per game stood at 3.69, and league BA was .244, leading the AL to take the first step over the slippery slope when it installed the DH in 1973.

But if OBP is key, why are we still seeing runs scored, even if lower than in most recent years, higher than in other historically low BA and low OBP years?

Home runs. Doubles are at the lowest level since 1976, and triples would be at an all-time low but they were slightly lower per game in 2020.

So we are getting all time strike out rates, walk rates that are moderately high historically (they were significantly higher in the steroid era), and HR rates (1.13 per team per game) which are lower by far than in the late 90s and early 2000s, and the ridiculous souped up ball years of 2017 and 2019, but otherwise historically high.

So, welcome to the "three true outcomes" and goodbye baseball - you know the game where you hit the BALL and ran around the BASES. That's gone.

Last night the New York Yankees pitchers struck out 16 Tampa Bay batters. 16. They lost 9-1.

Thank you Sabermetrics.
5/15/2021 1:02 PM (edited)
Im glad they stopped handicapping pitchers with bogus baseballs. Finally the result of modern technology and throwing programs with pitching. Everyone the Rays throw out on the mound is like 6’5 with an NBA wingspan, and throw a minimum of 98 mph it seems. Add in pine tar assisted curveballs, and it’s GG for hitters. All you can do is cheat on a fastball and hope for the best. I mean Tyler Glasnow hasn’t allowed a homer off his curveball in what? 3 years?
5/15/2021 10:47 AM
The current game is boring and I rarely watch unless my beloved Yankees are playing and nothing else is going on in my life. MLB hasn't had a good product in years. Just my opinion.
5/15/2021 12:06 PM
i propose a rule change

all balls not hit in the field of play are foul balls

5/15/2021 12:25 PM
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Outlaw the shift. Defenses have to have two infielders on either side of second base. And no infielders in the outfield before the pitcher releases the ball. Can't go beyond the dirt.

MLB needs more balls in play. More running, more fielding. The HR-K-BB "Devil's Triangle" is tiresome.
5/15/2021 12:33 PM
what is launch angle all about

hitting it where they ain't

an alternative to my proposal is knocking the fences down and adding four deep outfielders

5/15/2021 12:49 PM
Posted by mensu1954 on 5/15/2021 12:07:00 PM (view original):
The current game is boring and I rarely watch unless my beloved Yankees are playing and nothing else is going on in my life. MLB hasn't had a good product in years. Just my opinion.
I'm right there with you. The league average is now the strikeout levels typical of Sandy Koufax and Nolan Ryan. Sad.

I think they need to move the mound back a couple-three feet. And move the fences (or the diamond) back, and yes, crazystengel is right, two infielders on either side of second base to reduce shifts.

5/15/2021 12:59 PM
Posted by crazystengel on 5/15/2021 12:33:00 PM (view original):
Outlaw the shift. Defenses have to have two infielders on either side of second base. And no infielders in the outfield before the pitcher releases the ball. Can't go beyond the dirt.

MLB needs more balls in play. More running, more fielding. The HR-K-BB "Devil's Triangle" is tiresome.
What I think is interesting is that groundballs has decreased every year since the shift has been put on. Batters aren’t hitting into the shift like they were earlier in the decade (or 2010s), they’re hitting over the shift. And BABIP has remained constant despite the rise in shifts employed.
5/15/2021 3:15 PM
Posted by d_rock97 on 5/15/2021 3:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by crazystengel on 5/15/2021 12:33:00 PM (view original):
Outlaw the shift. Defenses have to have two infielders on either side of second base. And no infielders in the outfield before the pitcher releases the ball. Can't go beyond the dirt.

MLB needs more balls in play. More running, more fielding. The HR-K-BB "Devil's Triangle" is tiresome.
What I think is interesting is that groundballs has decreased every year since the shift has been put on. Batters aren’t hitting into the shift like they were earlier in the decade (or 2010s), they’re hitting over the shift. And BABIP has remained constant despite the rise in shifts employed.
That last part of your post is really, really interesting. And it suggests that the shift is a failure, that it is not reducing hits, merely reducing "shifting" hits. And making the game more boring.

Bill James, on page 316 of his "Historical Baseball Abstract" wrote the following:

"In all sports, in all shared activities, the interests of one party are often at odds with the interests of the game itself."

He then gives the example of batters stepping out of the box to mess up the pitchers' timing. This does not work to the interests of the pitchers, any individual team per se, the fans or the game. Only the batter. So he calls on umpires to stop calling time.

The problem is that sabermetrics while honing its brilliant analytical tools, started with the wrong questions to ask. It started with "what results in teams winning more games?"

Over time James and other showed that OBP, more power hitting, more strikeouts by pitchers, having the other team see your pitchers less often and for less time, all mattered, while other things like speed, complete games, stolen bases, teamwork, team spirit, leadership, clutch hitting, hit and runs, crafty as opposed to power pitching, bunting and productive outs that moved runners over were pretty negligable, or even counter-productive.

But they might have asked, "what are the most exciting and enjoyable things in baseball?", "what do we like most about baseball?" "How can we make some of those things like bunting, steals, triples, complete games, etc. more productive also of wins for teams, so they would also be in the narrower self-interest of teams as well as being in the larger interests of the game itself, the fans, enjoyment and aesthetic beauty?"

The analytical tools that might be developed in answering those questions are hard to imagine, but then so were the things we have learned from answering the questions that were asked: the three true outcomes, for example, or three times through the order, and all the new measuring sticks, from exit velocity on down.

Notice how in the end, the questions asked by sabermetrics have been to the benefit of only one party and at odds with the interests of the game itself. The teams are, even collectively, only one interest. Individually they are no different than the batter in the example of stepping out of the batter's box. Who cares if they win if the game is not worth watching?

This is always the Achilles Heel of all Cartesian thought, from the field of economics to that of genetically modified foods: the interest in on HOW to do something, not WHAT to do. And so all the research begins by asking the wrong research question. No Economics textbook I have ever read, and I have read a lot of them, starts by asking "how can we make sure that everyone who wants to and is able to work and contribute to society has a comfortable material life and economic security?" And yet this is WHAT the economy is FOR. It serves no other purpose. In other words, it serves no purpose to most of us most of the time. Same with Sabermetrics.

It became a servant of the front offices. Not the fans, not the game.

"He that breaks a thing to find out what it is, has left the path of wisdom" says Gandalf in the Lord of the Rings, (the line didn't make the movies, which is sad). This is Tolkien railing against the Cartesian spriritual vacuum he saw around him, personified by Saruman. This is the world we live in now.

Lech Walesa once wrote that you can make fish soup out of an aquarium, but it is much harder to make an aquarium out of fish soup. The dangerous thing about Cartesian thought put into practice, is that it does find truths. But they are truths about the wrong questions. So we can never un-know that it is better to change pitchers every two batters late in the game to avoid three times through the order, or that you should never steal if your name is not Brock, Henderson, Raines, or Coleman, or that pitchers who craft their pitches to get ground ball outs are not actually doing anything, (what the hell WAS Greg Maddux doing all those years that he wasn't mainly striking people out?), or that strikeouts by batters are no worse than any other kind of out, better even because they wear down the pitcher, walks too, so they are better than singles, and so on.

These things ARE true, but they are truths about the wrong questions. Or rather they are CORRECT but not really TRUE. Since, as Hegel pointed out "THE TRUTH IS THE WHOLE". and the whole is baseball, the game, and the fans who love it and the players who once played it for the joy of playing it (thank you Ernie Banks and Don Mattingly), and it is the attachment we have to our teams and their historic moments, and the players and their tragedies and their moments of triumph. Ask the Montreal Expos fans. Ask the Brooklyn Dodgers fans.

Yet Bill James apparently (why can't we find a recording of this?) said at one of the recent Sabermetrics summits that the players are not important in baseball, they don't matter, the game is the same anyway. Yet when they tried replacement players during the Spring training of 1995 during the strike no one wanted to see them.

The truth is the whole. So, let's challenge the sabermetrics community: guys, find out what would make bunting and stealing bases productive, what would make changing pitchers counter-productive, what would make focusing on home runs and players with too many strikeouts unproductive of wins, what would make it rational to have more complete games by starters, to hit and run. Find that out, tell us what to change to make it happen, and we will let you back in the ballparks, even buy you a hot dog.
5/15/2021 6:58 PM
Maybe it’s cause I grew up in a different era…but I still love the current game.

it’s all about the $. If you want the game to change then you gotta stop paying the guys who hit the HR and start paying the Duffy’s in the game who will battle in the box and foul off pitches and make the opposing arm work.
5/15/2021 11:49 PM
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Great post, italyprof. More consideration has to be given to what's in the best interests of the game, and what pleases the fan, and not what merely helps a team win.
5/16/2021 1:46 AM
As a Bill James fan from the early 1980s, I wonder if it's worth bringing up his old construct that maximizing runs scored occurs when there is an appropriate balance between OBP and SLG. He wrote a really good article on this decades ago, but I no longer have it. If anyone does, please post it or a link.

I bring this up because I wonder if the relationship between hitting and pitching has swung to such an extreme that having some players who have higher OBP (especially through walks) even with less power would actually increase runs scored? Would players with offensive skills such as Boggs, Pesky, Ashburn, Appling, Sheckard, and Yost be able to exploit the relatively high BB rates of modern pitchers while not striking out as much? In theory, they would still reach base far more often than the league average because they play to weaknesses of modern pitchers. Obviously, R. Henderson and Raines would also improve offense but I wanted to leave speed out of the equation.

Baseball has always made adjustments when one type of offense has become too dominant. For example, walks in 1949-50 AL BB/9 were 4.6 and 4.4, respectively. I believe that these are the highest totals since 1900. The Yankees won the World Series in both years with BB/9 of 5.3 in 1949 and 4.6 in 1950. However, by 1954 AL BB/9 was down to 3.7. This is due in no small part to teams looking for pitchers who could throw strikes and not being willing to run out Tommy Byrne and other high BB/9 pitchers as often.

If a team suddenly added 2-3 players with this offensive skillset to their lineup, wouldn't it have a significant positive impact on their offense? Granted, they would lose HR but have more BB, higher OBP, and likely more balls in play. Since BABIP has remained relatively constant, this would create an immediate advantage.
5/16/2021 3:05 PM
Put the ball in play,move the runners over.....basic baseball fundamentals......
5/16/2021 6:09 PM
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