Posted by Guitarguy567 on 5/14/2021 10:17:00 AM (view original):
The thousands of people kneeling in the streets asking forgiveness for social justice issues they really dont understand is proof that religious sentiment (aka dogmatism) has never been stronger in this country. It just goes under the name leftism now.

The concept of original sin is very much alive and well my friends!

I don't think this is happening. Mostly, people are protesting to change the system.

Yes, there are some cringy libs who think that profusely apologizing for racism they didn't cause will somehow solve the problem. Fortunately, they are a minority. It's also why when you tried to parody this behavior with coreander, you were laughed at by the left here. "Begging for forgiveness for racism" isn't a thing.

Posted by dino27 on 5/14/2021 11:33:00 AM (view original):
Bullshit - they refused their land and borders.
don’t blame Israel which existed first.
who do you think built Jerusulam.
Always blame the Jews and forgive the poor Palestinians.
they were allocated half - not nothing like you say.

you should be ashamed.

OK I don't pretend to be an expert on the history, but hasn't Israel rejected peace offers as well?

Posted by tangplay on 5/14/2021 12:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 5/14/2021 11:33:00 AM (view original):
Bullshit - they refused their land and borders.
don’t blame Israel which existed first.
who do you think built Jerusulam.
Always blame the Jews and forgive the poor Palestinians.
they were allocated half - not nothing like you say.

you should be ashamed.

OK I don't pretend to be an expert on the history, but hasn't Israel rejected peace offers as well?

The answer is absolutely NO!
Every time the Palestinians were offered all the land and East Jerusulam as their capitol they countered with the demand of the right of return of approximately 3-4 million Palestinians and refugees in Jordan to be able to become automatic Israeli citizens.

look up the right of return issue.
peace was resolved on EVERY issue under Clinton and at the very end Arafat demanded the right of return.
Clinton said that Arafat made a mockery of the whole peace process.
The United States government doesn’t even try anymore under either party because of this issue.

facts are stubborn things. You have to deal with them.

hiw many Arab countries are there - let’s say about 15.
they all are monarchs and religious societies. Iran is a little mixed. They all use shariah law and terror to keep their people in line when needed.
they are patriarchal and non inclusive and terroristic to many minorities.
no one cares about this.

but israel is the Jewish country with a democracy and absolute freedom of religion for its minorities and prominence possible for any citizen ie Israel has a 4 star general who is an Arab Israeli.
why the uproar about one very small Jewish country which is pluralistic and a beacon of progress scientifically and culturally surrounded by Islamic regimes.
every country in the Middle East is a religious country but some persons insist that it is Israel that is bad.
they are only the most persecuted and displaced people in the history of Earth.

Do you think that anything you said in the last two paragraphs has anything to do with my arguments?

Does it have to be? And I think they are part of the ongoing discussion.
are you the king of the world and all have to bow down to your didactic rules of discussion.

And I answered your question.

Please excuse my ignorance Dino. I'm NOT a middle east History expert, barely know much at all.

Just when was the Palestinian people "allocated" "land and borders" for their own Country??
And, perhaps more importantly, on what terms, and was the land offer sufficient and just?

And, (lastly) had they accepted this "offer" for "land and borders" would it have resulted in Peace between neighboring Countries (Israel and Palestine)?
And if so, why in hell would they have ever refused??

My friend - there always was Israel and their Arab neighbors. Jews never left and they had a kingdom but many were displaced. Still there were always Jews in Israel and particularly Jerusulam.
the Arabs started to put their footprint there after the advent of Islam. The Temple Mount was literally built contingent to the Jewish temple effectively usurping full access to the holiest Jewish site. Many consider that indicative of a nature of being.



after world war 2 and partially as a response to the near eradication of the Jewish civilization the United Nations completed a project of the old League of Nations way back circa 1922 to establish an Israel and a Palestine.
the Palestinian portion was larger and more fertile and included East Jerusalem ( captured by Israel in 1967 after attacked by all -all the Arab nations and Palestinians - all the countries from Iran and Iraq and Egypt and Jordan etc).
The Palestinians demanded no type of partition whatsoever and said everything was theirs. They did not negotiate....if you think that the Arab countries of today are difficult it was even worse then.
upon the partition almost immediately the Palestinians and Arab nations declared a war of death on Israel telling the Arabs living as citizens in Israel to flee.
Jordan ended up declaring the Palestinian land as part of Jordan and said Israel was part of Jordan too.


The partition was intended to be fair and the Jews were warm about it. If the Palestinians and Arab nations accepted it there would have been 2 countries of Israel and Palestine living side by side and trading as neighbors and cousins.

there were many Arab nations wars after 1948.
1956 and 1967 and 1973.
and many wars with hamas who took over for the PLO.

to this day peace has been refused by the Palestinians because they demand that 3-4 million maybe more Palestinians and descendants and refugees be able to flood into Israel and literally take over the country.

israel has offered to take some in - I think 50 - 100 thousand for the sake of peace but the Palestinians insist on 4 million.
obviously crazy.
there is a certain mentality and there is no nice way to describe it.
it has always been all or nothing and living a self victimized life.
now things have changed and most of the Arab nations accept Israel.

we can take 4M here and soak it up like a sponge

will they work

yes they will

this is the land of opportunity

that little sand sliver by the sea is a hard rock salt mine

bring your left hand *** wipe camel **** curly hair here

we have TP. we have balsamic conditioner

Posted by tangplay on 5/14/2021 12:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 5/14/2021 11:33:00 AM (view original):
Bullshit - they refused their land and borders.
don’t blame Israel which existed first.
who do you think built Jerusulam.
Always blame the Jews and forgive the poor Palestinians.
they were allocated half - not nothing like you say.

you should be ashamed.

OK I don't pretend to be an expert on the history, but hasn't Israel rejected peace offers as well?

Sure, because when the PLO or Hamas say peace, they mean war

Israel is using Missiles to stop the incoming Missiles. The Hamas use CHILDREN to stop incoming missiles.

and you have to wonder who the good guy is?

Posted by lostnfound74 on 5/17/2021 3:53:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/14/2021 12:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 5/14/2021 11:33:00 AM (view original):
Bullshit - they refused their land and borders.
don’t blame Israel which existed first.
who do you think built Jerusulam.
Always blame the Jews and forgive the poor Palestinians.
they were allocated half - not nothing like you say.

you should be ashamed.

OK I don't pretend to be an expert on the history, but hasn't Israel rejected peace offers as well?

Sure, because when the PLO or Hamas say peace, they mean war

Wrong - they have not offered any peace deal that did not include right of return which is not an offer of good faith. So technically no offer.

Posted by lostnfound74 on 5/17/2021 4:00:00 AM (view original):
God loves Israel, and HE will ultimately destroy it's enemies. This means (currently) all it's hater surrounding neighbors AND, if the democrats are on that list, and God destroys them, I will sing Praise the Lord

Do you think Israel has anything to do with the Rapture?

What do you think should happen to Palestine?

Posted by lostnfound74 on 5/17/2021 4:02:00 AM (view original):
Israel is using Missiles to stop the incoming Missiles. The Hamas use CHILDREN to stop incoming missiles.

and you have to wonder who the good guy is?

"Guys, guys, we didn't bomb children... they put children in front of our bombs!!!!! VERY DIFFERENT!!!"

"I didn't punch him, he ran into my fist!"

lmao