Here’s a D1 v D2 battle where the late signing recruit’s lone preference is playing time. The two teams used very different approaches.

Team A (D1)
Prestige - D+
AP - 130
Visits - 9 HV, CV
Promises - none

Team B (D2)
Prestige - A+
AP - 386
Visits - 3 HV, CV
Promises - *20 minutes and a start
*Initial promise of 15 minutes made after 262 AP; 20 minute promise made after 274, so total of 112 AP, all visits, and scholarship offered after the 20 minute promise.

Is there a battle? If so, guess the odds. I’ll post the answer tonight before I go to bed, or first thing in the morning if I forget.

low-mid 60s for team B? i could see 70s too not really sure how much that prestige is worth, but feels like B is ahead

55-45 for B

Haha, I’m going to give it until mid morning to see if anyone else wants to chime in. This is a pretty good one. I only post the ones I think everyone can learn something from, and this is definitely one.

100% Team B

i think the ones you've posted have been excellent, i wish i kept a running list or something so i could refer back to them all. thanks for posting them!

Posted by dacamel14 on 5/18/2021 1:38:00 AM (view original):
100% Team B

100% Team A

Being D1 and having 6 more HV's overwhelms the D2 offer.

Question- Why would Team B wait so long to offer the schollie? Makes no sense to me. Enlighten me.

Posted by utthead on 5/18/2021 2:25:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dacamel14 on 5/18/2021 1:38:00 AM (view original):
100% Team B

100% Team A

Being D1 and having 6 more HV's overwhelms the D2 offer.

Question- Why would Team B wait so long to offer the schollie? Makes no sense to me. Enlighten me.

That’s an excellent question, there are actually two really good mitigating circumstances around this one I’ll get into that we found out as we talked this one out in the post game. I’ll get into both of those when I post in an hour or so.

I'll say 60-40 Team A. The 20 minutes is worth like 4 HV? If offered a little sooner, maybe the D2 team gets a 50/50.

Posted by utthead on 5/18/2021 2:25:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dacamel14 on 5/18/2021 1:38:00 AM (view original):
100% Team B

100% Team A

Being D1 and having 6 more HV's overwhelms the D2 offer.

Question- Why would Team B wait so long to offer the schollie? Makes no sense to me. Enlighten me.

I think some people believe that offering the promises first increases your preferences, which then increases the value of the scholarship. But on the flip side, the scholarship unlocks the promises faster so I'm not sure if it's really worth waiting.

Ill say 70/30 for team A. I would have it close to a jump ball if B had offered 20 minutes quicker.

Final considering odds were 50-50. My Augustana team was the D2 school, in for Kenny Cullens.

Interesting chain of events here. Importantly, Cullens was ineligible up until right before RS2 started. Since I run a FB/press team, I didn’t want to risk him signing with me in the second session before he became eligible, which is why I waited on the scholarship. There was a D3 coach on him from the start who invested a bit, but no D1 humans until the cycle prior to RS2. So there was never any compelling reason for me to offer a scholarship in the first session; I figured I could put off a decision until he became eligible, which is what I did.

Once he became eligible, a trio of D1 coaches popped up in the first couple cycles of RS2, so I quickly bumped that promise up and offered the start. I actually forgot to offer the scholarship right away (whoops) but that wouldn’t have mattered because no one would have been able to put enough effort in to have offered him right away anyway. Eastern Michigan ended up being the team going after him hard, and since it wasn’t a new coach with reloaded resources, I was less worried than I probably should have been. I had already spent most of my resources fighting off Memphis for another recruit, needing to hold them at moderate because he was an early guy. Cullens frustratingly waited until the 4th cycle to sign, giving Eastern Michigan time to get all the effort in. When I saw the odds, my first thought was that they didn’t have many visits to do, and had gotten to even on promises and AP, and maybe a visit. Turns out it was the opposite, he had resources to do lots of visits, but had intended to try to redshirt the player, so didn’t want to offer any promises, which makes sense, because he’d be a very bad D1 player this season (as it is, starting him and playing him close to 20 minutes in D2 is going to hurt). If they had been willing to offer even 10 minutes, I think, they probably overwhelm me with that number of visits. Certainly with 15 minutes.

My eyeball math likely would have been about the same as cubbie here. I think (at least in part) this probably reflects the recent change in scholarship value for D1 pool recruits, a D2 scholarship isn’t quite as valuable as it used to be for D1 pool players.

Posted by mlitney on 5/18/2021 11:23:00 AM (view original):

Posted by utthead on 5/18/2021 2:25:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dacamel14 on 5/18/2021 1:38:00 AM (view original):
100% Team B

100% Team A

Being D1 and having 6 more HV's overwhelms the D2 offer.

Question- Why would Team B wait so long to offer the schollie? Makes no sense to me. Enlighten me.

I think some people believe that offering the promises first increases your preferences, which then increases the value of the scholarship. But on the flip side, the scholarship unlocks the promises faster so I'm not sure if it's really worth waiting.

I’m generally on the side of waiting loses more value than it brings (unless you’re doing it strategically to sneak in late), but in this case I was waiting because he was ineligible, and I just didn’t want him on the roster until he passed.

Posted by shoe3 on 5/18/2021 11:51:00 AM (view original):

Posted by mlitney on 5/18/2021 11:23:00 AM (view original):

Posted by utthead on 5/18/2021 2:25:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dacamel14 on 5/18/2021 1:38:00 AM (view original):
100% Team B

100% Team A

Being D1 and having 6 more HV's overwhelms the D2 offer.

Question- Why would Team B wait so long to offer the schollie? Makes no sense to me. Enlighten me.

I think some people believe that offering the promises first increases your preferences, which then increases the value of the scholarship. But on the flip side, the scholarship unlocks the promises faster so I'm not sure if it's really worth waiting.

I’m generally on the side of waiting loses more value than it brings (unless you’re doing it strategically to sneak in late), but in this case I was waiting because he was ineligible, and I just didn’t want him on the roster until he passed.

That makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. I'm a little surprised that your D2 team got to 50% but I suppose that's the point of this thread haha.