Posted by tangplay on 5/25/2021 2:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/25/2021 2:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/25/2021 1:32:00 PM (view original):
I just want someone, anyone, to give me one IOTA of harm being done by the Palestinians living in their homes. Just one bit.

And I don't want you to say, "Hamas is bad."

THEY AREN'T ******* HAMAS. THEY'RE JUST PEOPLE. THERE ISN'T A ******* HAMAS BASE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

They can harbor terrorists, criminals, etc.
They can spy on Israel
They can attack Israeli Jewish citizens

How do you know they aren't Hamas? I posted quotes from those who share the ideals of Hamas....did you miss that?

This is a direct quote from one of the residents in the disputed area:

“We’re not saying we want to throw them in the sea. But if they want to live in this country, under the Palestinians—well, it’s our country, and they took it from us.”

Do you think FDR was justified in the internment of Japanese-Americans during WW2?

If no, explain why not while not using logic that would be applicable here.

Guess what: You need more than speculation to KICK PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR ******* HOMES.

Because there has been zero evidence of harboring terrorists, spying on Israel, attacking citizens. They could be doing that... but they aren't.

Does innocent until proven guilty mean nothing to you?

Also, Jewish people could also be doing those things. Why don't we kick everyone out? And before you say: "Well, it's more likely that Palestinians would be pro-Hamas" Americans said the same thing about Japanese-Americans during the war. It doesn't justify kicking people out of their homes?

Their rhetoric isn't enough and more than zero evidence. https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/13-palestinians-arrested-in-west-bank-raids-by-israeli-forces/2229506

It is a land dispute....not sure why you can't understand that. You say its your land and I say its mine. The court will decide. They aren't innocent. Their rhetoric speaks to it. In terms of FDR and the camps, he did what he thought was best to protect America. In hindsight it was wrong but at the time it may have saved lives. I wasn't there. It is easy to play Monday Morning QB.

Interesting how you ignore the quote below:

“We’re not saying we want to throw them in the sea. But if they want to live in this country, under the Palestinians—well, it’s our country, and they took it from us.”

Posted by tangplay on 5/25/2021 2:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 5/25/2021 2:16:00 PM (view original):
"That is what a reasonable person would say."


Few are "reasonable" on this topic. Belief(s) and emotions get in the way.

I don't think this PARTICULAR Court Case has anything to do with the recent violence........ other than as an excuse/catalyst.

Maybe we could talk the Palestinians into taking Florida? Exchange it for Israel or something.
Get some youngblood Jewish in exchange for some old ones and some Crackers.
Wouldn't even have to give up a Mountain. Just a bunch of gators and snakes and private enclaves.
That's called fair trade practice isn't it?

No, bob, I disagree. There's nothing emotional about being called an anti-semite for saying that people shouldn't be kicked out of their homes.

You're an antisemite because you won't even engage in a debate that it is a land dispute. You are an antisemite because you said Israel is 100% at fault. You are an antisemite because you refuse to acknowledge the quotes from the current Palestinian residents in the WB who want Israel obliterated. You are an antisemite because you refuse to acknowledge that Hamas and the PLO refuse to let Palestinians vote.

The fact that you won't condemn the Japanese internment is telling and makes my point for me. Yes, I can MMQB concentration camps of innocent people just because of their ethnicity. The idea of "this group is traitorous to us and all members of this group are bad' is the root of genocide. Hitler said the same about Jewish people. that they were traitors to the Reich, that they needed to "protect Germany," maybe point to one Jewish person saying that they don't like Hitler. You dehumanize a group, say that they are traitors, and argue that action needs to be taken against every member of the group. Same with Japanese internment.

NOTE: I AM NOT SAYING THAT ISRAEL IS THE SAME AS NAZI GERMANY. THE REASON I AM MAKING THIS COMPARISON IS TO SHOW HOW CCCP'S LOGIC CAN JUSTIFY ATROCITIES.

I'm again comfortable with this. I'm against genocide. I'm against Hamas. I'm against might makes right. I'm against the logic that justifies atrocities being done to large groups of people.

The one quote says nothing about hating Jewish people, and is literally just one person out of dozens. You feel no sympathy to innocent people. You assume they are guilty with no evidence.

You're an antisemite because you won't even engage in a debate that it is a land dispute.

HMM. I wonder what happens to the Palestinians if they lose the "land dispute!" Also how does this make me an anti-semite?

You are an antisemite because you said Israel is 100% at fault.

Considering that you have given me zero other people at fault for evicting Palestinians (did they choose to be born Palestinian), yes, Israel is 100% at fault. Not for the overall conflict, once again.

You are an antisemite because you refuse to acknowledge the quotes from the current Palestinian residents in the WB who want Israel obliterated.

It's one resident, not residents, and "obliterated" is a strong word.

You are an antisemite because you refuse to acknowledge that Hamas and the PLO refuse to let Palestinians vote.

I directly quoted you saying that and agreed that Hamas is a terrorist organization.

And btw, Dino is a ******* coward.

Won't say **** about CCCP justifying the Holocaust earlier and saying that FDR had good reason to use concentration camps against Japanese-Americans.

Scum.

Posted by tangplay on 5/25/2021 3:26:00 PM (view original):
The fact that you won't condemn the Japanese internment is telling and makes my point for me. Yes, I can MMQB concentration camps of innocent people just because of their ethnicity. The idea of "this group is traitorous to us and all members of this group are bad' is the root of genocide. Hitler said the same about Jewish people. that they were traitors to the Reich, that they needed to "protect Germany," maybe point to one Jewish person saying that they don't like Hitler. You dehumanize a group, say that they are traitors, and argue that action needs to be taken against every member of the group. Same with Japanese internment.

NOTE: I AM NOT SAYING THAT ISRAEL IS THE SAME AS NAZI GERMANY. THE REASON I AM MAKING THIS COMPARISON IS TO SHOW HOW CCCP'S LOGIC CAN JUSTIFY ATROCITIES.

I'm again comfortable with this. I'm against genocide. I'm against Hamas. I'm against might makes right. I'm against the logic that justifies atrocities being done to large groups of people.

The one quote says nothing about hating Jewish people, and is literally just one person out of dozens. You feel no sympathy to innocent people. You assume they are guilty with no evidence.

You're an antisemite because you won't even engage in a debate that it is a land dispute.

HMM. I wonder what happens to the Palestinians if they lose the "land dispute!" Also how does this make me an anti-semite?

You are an antisemite because you said Israel is 100% at fault.

Considering that you have given me zero other people at fault for evicting Palestinians (did they choose to be born Palestinian), yes, Israel is 100% at fault. Not for the overall conflict, once again.

You are an antisemite because you refuse to acknowledge the quotes from the current Palestinian residents in the WB who want Israel obliterated.

It's one resident, not residents, and "obliterated" is a strong word.

You are an antisemite because you refuse to acknowledge that Hamas and the PLO refuse to let Palestinians vote.

I directly quoted you saying that and agreed that Hamas is a terrorist organization.

I quoted two but I can give you more quotes. The fact is that arrests happen frequently and Israel cannot tell who is and isn't an enemy. As such it is better to be safe than sorry. If the court decides the Palestinians don't have legal rights to the land then they don't. My parents came from the old Soviet Union. Jews didn't have rights there. Hence my parents left and went to a place where they did. Palestinians may do the same or vote out their current dictators or rebel against them. Instead they blame Israel. With or without Israel they would still be controlled by terrorist zealots. You're more offended by land disputes and less offended by 9mil people being held hostage by terror regimes. Interesting.

Posted by tangplay on 5/25/2021 3:27:00 PM (view original):
And btw, Dino is a ******* coward.

Won't say **** about CCCP justifying the Holocaust earlier and saying that FDR had good reason to use concentration camps against Japanese-Americans.

Scum.

How am I justifying it? It is a false conflation. It would be like Israel conquering Iran, Iraq, Syria, Jordan and then killing all the Palestinians in those lands. In the Holocaust the Jewish population declined while the Palestinian population is increasing. What I said was that the Holocaust was immoral and "justified" is a subjective term. Was pre Civil War slavery justified? It was legal so yes but it was immoral. You are trying to use to my words against me without giving me context that I provided. Very dishonest of you. And you're using that word coward again. Tell me how I am a coward? LOL

You're also a hypocrite. Palestinians kill Jews regardless if they are Zionists. They don't ask. A Jew is a Jew.

Same for antisemites in the US. You criticize Israel but you only see what you read from pro Palestinian sources.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/25/us/new-york-gen-z-students-antisemitism-soh/index.html

Posted by tangplay on 5/25/2021 3:27:00 PM (view original):
And btw, Dino is a ******* coward.

Won't say **** about CCCP justifying the Holocaust earlier and saying that FDR had good reason to use concentration camps against Japanese-Americans.

Scum.

Didn’t read it.

Btw - we need more Jewish countries one is great but we need more.

Posted by dino27 on 5/25/2021 3:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/25/2021 3:27:00 PM (view original):
And btw, Dino is a ******* coward.

Won't say **** about CCCP justifying the Holocaust earlier and saying that FDR had good reason to use concentration camps against Japanese-Americans.

Scum.

Didn’t read it.

tangplay doesn't understand that justify and condone aren't the same thing. Justify means to give reasons for. I don't condone the Holocaust. Sigh....

The fact is that arrests happen frequently and Germany cannot tell who is and isn't an enemy. As such it is better to be safe than sorry. If the court decides the Jews don't have legal rights then they don't.

The fact is that arrests happen frequently and FDR couldn't tell who is and isn't an enemy. As such it is better to be safe than sorry. If the court decides the Japanese-Americans don't have legal rights then they don't.

The fact is that arrests happen frequently and Stalin cannot tell who is and isn't an enemy. As such it is better to be safe than sorry. If the court decides the kulaks don't have legal rights then they don't.

The fact is that we want the land and America cannot tell who is and isn't an enemy. As such it is better to be safe than sorry. If the court decides the Native Americans don't have legal rights then they don't.


It's almost like this argument is a justification for ANY atrocity ever? HMMMM???

I’m sure more of his infantile word games gotcha stuff.
there is no gray area or subjectivity when confronting true evil. A nazi will defend but that does not make it subjective.
when the world can’t recognize true evil with unanimous objectivity all is lost.

How am I justifying it?

You are currently not only justifying, but supporting Palestinians losing their homes because all Palestinians MIGHT be terrorists. I asked how this same logic couldn't also justify the internment of Japanese-Americans and you said that you won't judge FDR for that. So it seems like you support that too, or at least would at the time.

Hey, if you want to say, "Israel has justification to evict the Palestinians but shouldn't" then I would accept that at this point.

You're also a hypocrite. Palestinians kill Jews regardless if they are Zionists.

And you want to evict Palestinians regardless of if they are terrorists.

You criticize Israel but you only see what you read from pro Palestinian sources.

"You criticize the Nazis but haven't read our state propaganda!!! REEEEEEEEEE!!!"

Posted by dino27 on 5/25/2021 3:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/25/2021 3:27:00 PM (view original):
And btw, Dino is a ******* coward.

Won't say **** about CCCP justifying the Holocaust earlier and saying that FDR had good reason to use concentration camps against Japanese-Americans.

Scum.

Didn’t read it.

Coward

Posted by tangplay on 5/25/2021 4:12:00 PM (view original):

The fact is that arrests happen frequently and Germany cannot tell who is and isn't an enemy. As such it is better to be safe than sorry. If the court decides the Jews don't have legal rights then they don't.

The fact is that arrests happen frequently and FDR couldn't tell who is and isn't an enemy. As such it is better to be safe than sorry. If the court decides the Japanese-Americans don't have legal rights then they don't.

The fact is that arrests happen frequently and Stalin cannot tell who is and isn't an enemy. As such it is better to be safe than sorry. If the court decides the kulaks don't have legal rights then they don't.

The fact is that we want the land and America cannot tell who is and isn't an enemy. As such it is better to be safe than sorry. If the court decides the Native Americans don't have legal rights then they don't.


It's almost like this argument is a justification for ANY atrocity ever? HMMMM???

You pick and choose what to respond. Pretty dishonest. In time of war, yes it is better to be safe than sorry. Jews never attacked Germany so it is a false conflation. It is interesting how you scream about human rights but you're pro choice and don't care than millions of babies are killed annually via abortions? Do you find abortions justified? Are you so incensed about that as you are about land disputes? Your false conflations are certainly amusing as is your hypocrisy.

If hypocrisy were a skill you would be a professional.

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/25/2021 3:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 5/25/2021 3:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/25/2021 3:27:00 PM (view original):
And btw, Dino is a ******* coward.

Won't say **** about CCCP justifying the Holocaust earlier and saying that FDR had good reason to use concentration camps against Japanese-Americans.

Scum.

Didn’t read it.

tangplay doesn't understand that justify and condone aren't the same thing. Justify means to give reasons for. I don't condone the Holocaust. Sigh....

If you were in FDR's position, would you have put Japanese-Americans in internment camps during WW2?

If not, give me reasons that don't apply to the Palestinian evictions.