Posted by tangplay on 5/25/2021 5:22:00 PM (view original):
My argument against your logic would have been "well, saying 'some members of a group MIGHT support Hamas so everyone who isn't Jewish must be removed' is a very similar line of reasoning to other atrocities like the internment of Japanese-Americans (which were absolutely in concentration camps), but you already said you support those things (as long as the Sec of war is for it) so I can't argue against it.

Why hasn't this scenario happened yet? Why don't we see terror attacks from this neighborhood?

You said that if they lose the "land dispute" they lose the home. That's an eviction, dude. What happens if they lose the land dispute? THEY GET EVICTED!

You don't think more angry Palestinians who want revenge on Israel=more support for Hamas? You don't think Hamas's power comes from the Palestinian people at all? If not, how can you blame the Palestinian people for Hamas?

We have seen terror attacks from this neighborhood.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-woman-attempts-stabbing-in-west-bank-is-shot-idf/
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israeli-cop-shoots-palestinian-after-suspected-stabbing-attack-in-west-bank-1.9761183
https://www.timesofisrael.com/settlers-raid-west-bank-village-after-tapuah-attack-idf-detains-11-palestinians/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-stabbing-attack-thwarted-in-west-bank-palestinian-assailant-killed/
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/palestinian-arrested-west-bank-attack-day-chase-77526019

How can it be an eviction when the land wasn't yours to get evicted from? If I go into your house and say I live there and the court throws me out because I legally don't belong there is it an eviction?

There has not been an election in 37 years. Power doesn't come from the people. It does in Israel. You blame Israel for Hamas? Maybe if the Palestinians would rise up then there would be no Hamas.

Posted by tangplay on 5/25/2021 5:23:00 PM (view original):
I just wish you actually had to confront the people IRL and tell this **** to their face. Tell them why you support them losing their homes.

What would you do if you were one of the many people who don't want to kill Jewish people, just happen to live there and not be Jewish, and are now about to lose your home?

If I was one of those people I would leave Palestine and move somewhere else, like my parents did when they left the Soviet Union or I would convert to Judaism. I would 100% confront these people to their face. I have Muslim friends btw and they despise Palestinians. They call them the rats of the Muslim world. Their words not mine.

You don't seem to understand that Jew haters don't ask if one is a Zionist or a Palestinian supporter like you. They hate all Jews equally as people in LA just found out.

Posted by tangplay on 5/25/2021 5:25:00 PM (view original):
"It's not an eviction, it's a land dispute!"
"Your honor, I didn't kill him. I simply fired a gun in his direction."

False conflation. In this case it would be, your honor, I didn't kill him the court officer fired the gun in his direction when he didn't agree with the verdict.

If I come to your house and say the house is mine and you disagree, how would that dispute get resolved in the US?

He has no respect for the Israeli Supreme Court.
he thinks the whole thing is rigged and fixed.
Israel is a country that has no compunction about putting its leaders in jail if corrupt and has done so several times.
Israeli jurisprudence is one of the most advanced in the world and its secular law is one of the most liberal on issues of personal relationships and property disputes.
an honest and thoughtful approach to legal analysis is of great importance in Israel and the roots of all modern law goes back to the Old Testament.
jurisprudence and law is taken very seriously in Israel.

We have seen terror attacks from this neighborhood.

I don't know why you would lie. I read the articles. None were from the neighborhood in question.

How can it be an eviction when the land wasn't yours to get evicted from?

That's literally what evictions are. Like, the most common use of the word is in relation to renters. You know, people who don't own the home?
How do you not understand this?

Power doesn't come from the people.

Why the **** would you blame the Palestinian people for Hamas then? They should be innocent, right? If Hamas doesn't get its power from the Palestinians, then why hold Palestinians responsible for what Hamas does?

If I was one of those people I would leave Palestine and move somewhere else, like my parents did when they left the Soviet Union or I would convert to Judaism.

So you're telling someone who did nothing wrong that they need to leave their home and move to a country that as you said hates them, or convert to Judaism. Do I have that correct? How is this a good thing on Israel's part again?

If I come to your house and say the house is mine and you disagree, how would that dispute get resolved in the US?

If I lost that dispute I would get evicted from the house.

Posted by dino27 on 5/25/2021 7:18:00 PM (view original):
He has no respect for the Israeli Supreme Court.
he thinks the whole thing is rigged and fixed.
Israel is a country that has no compunction about putting its leaders in jail if corrupt and has done so several times.
Israeli jurisprudence is one of the most advanced in the world and its secular law is one of the most liberal on issues of personal relationships and property disputes.
an honest and thoughtful approach to legal analysis is of great importance in Israel and the roots of all modern law goes back to the Old Testament.
jurisprudence and law is taken very seriously in Israel.

I'm genuinely curious dino, can you give examples of the Israeli Supreme Court siding against the settlers?

Posted by tangplay on 5/25/2021 9:53:00 PM (view original):

We have seen terror attacks from this neighborhood.

I don't know why you would lie. I read the articles. None were from the neighborhood in question.

How can it be an eviction when the land wasn't yours to get evicted from?

That's literally what evictions are. Like, the most common use of the word is in relation to renters. You know, people who don't own the home?
How do you not understand this?

Power doesn't come from the people.

Why the **** would you blame the Palestinian people for Hamas then? They should be innocent, right? If Hamas doesn't get its power from the Palestinians, then why hold Palestinians responsible for what Hamas does?

If I was one of those people I would leave Palestine and move somewhere else, like my parents did when they left the Soviet Union or I would convert to Judaism.

So you're telling someone who did nothing wrong that they need to leave their home and move to a country that as you said hates them, or convert to Judaism. Do I have that correct? How is this a good thing on Israel's part again?

If I come to your house and say the house is mine and you disagree, how would that dispute get resolved in the US?

If I lost that dispute I would get evicted from the house.

You're being illogical. You're on this righteous crusade. You are also a liar. Until you admit you lied about what I said when referring to the Holocaust and to FDR, this conversation, where I have been very polite while you swear like a petulant child, will not continue. I showed articles of people getting stabbed in the West Bank. Like I said before, you are pro choice aka pro killing of millions of unborn humans. You have zero right to play the humanitarian card. Now apologize and admit you lied or we are done.

Your call.

If I come to your house and say the house is mine and you disagree, how would that dispute get resolved in the US?

If I lost that dispute I would get evicted from the house.


CHECKMATE

Posted by tangplay on 5/25/2021 9:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 5/25/2021 7:18:00 PM (view original):
He has no respect for the Israeli Supreme Court.
he thinks the whole thing is rigged and fixed.
Israel is a country that has no compunction about putting its leaders in jail if corrupt and has done so several times.
Israeli jurisprudence is one of the most advanced in the world and its secular law is one of the most liberal on issues of personal relationships and property disputes.
an honest and thoughtful approach to legal analysis is of great importance in Israel and the roots of all modern law goes back to the Old Testament.
jurisprudence and law is taken very seriously in Israel.

I'm genuinely curious dino, can you give examples of the Israeli Supreme Court siding against the settlers?

Ok dog breath -

how about August 2020 when the Supreme Court voided a law and returned over 4000 homes to Palestinians taking them away from settlers.
they took the Palestinian petition in June and ruled in August.

of course this wasn’t about 3-4 homes.

Until you admit you lied about what I said when referring to the Holocaust and to FDR

On the Holocaust, you said that Hitler had the right to genocide the Jewish population so long as he won the war. Of course, you condemn the Holocaust.
On FDR, you said that you would have also rounded up Japanese-Americans and put them in internment camps had the Secretary of War supported such an action. IRL they did, so you would have put the Japanese-Americans in internment camps. Fair? I have quotes of you saying these things so I would suggest not lying about them.

I showed articles of people getting stabbed in the West Bank.

But not from this neighborhood. So that was a lie on your part. I asked you for any evidence of terror attacks from the neighborhood in 80 years and you've given me nothing. Seems like no harm is being done here.

Like I said before, you are pro choice aka pro killing of millions of unborn humans. You have zero right to play the humanitarian card.

I've been ignoring you saying this repeatedly because you are more pro-choice than I am. So I don't get where you are going with this. I believe my position on abortion (which is more nuanced than just "pro-choice") IS the humanitarian option. Either way, this is totally irrelevant. I could be a genocidal mass murderer and my argument on this issue would still be correct. You're just mad that I'm correctly pointing out the human suffering that evicting the Palestinians will cause.

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/26/2021 9:03:00 AM (view original):

If I come to your house and say the house is mine and you disagree, how would that dispute get resolved in the US?

If I lost that dispute I would get evicted from the house.


CHECKMATE

I don't know why you would repeat over and over that it's a "land dispute" before finally and mercifully agreeing that losing the dispute equals an eviction.

I'm glad you finally caught up. Yes, if the Palestinians lose the dispute, they will get evicted. We all realized this before.

I don't think the Palestinians should get evicted, and you do.

Posted by dino27 on 5/26/2021 10:17:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/25/2021 9:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 5/25/2021 7:18:00 PM (view original):
He has no respect for the Israeli Supreme Court.
he thinks the whole thing is rigged and fixed.
Israel is a country that has no compunction about putting its leaders in jail if corrupt and has done so several times.
Israeli jurisprudence is one of the most advanced in the world and its secular law is one of the most liberal on issues of personal relationships and property disputes.
an honest and thoughtful approach to legal analysis is of great importance in Israel and the roots of all modern law goes back to the Old Testament.
jurisprudence and law is taken very seriously in Israel.

I'm genuinely curious dino, can you give examples of the Israeli Supreme Court siding against the settlers?

Ok dog breath -

how about August 2020 when the Supreme Court voided a law and returned over 4000 homes to Palestinians taking them away from settlers.
they took the Palestinian petition in June and ruled in August.

of course this wasn’t about 3-4 homes.

I found a different article about a court case where they ruled that a new law that would retroactively call thousands of Palestinian homes that were already built "illegal". Scummy law, btw, but I do have more appreciation for the neutrality of the court.

I'll agree with you that the court is more neutral than I thought it was.

HOWEVER
I still believe it largely favors the settlers
Israel won't stop with this neighborhood, clearly
Even if the court sides with the settlers, I still will not support their actions as it is clearly and obviously immoral

Posted by tangplay on 5/26/2021 1:01:00 PM (view original):

Until you admit you lied about what I said when referring to the Holocaust and to FDR

On the Holocaust, you said that Hitler had the right to genocide the Jewish population so long as he won the war. Of course, you condemn the Holocaust.
On FDR, you said that you would have also rounded up Japanese-Americans and put them in internment camps had the Secretary of War supported such an action. IRL they did, so you would have put the Japanese-Americans in internment camps. Fair? I have quotes of you saying these things so I would suggest not lying about them.

I showed articles of people getting stabbed in the West Bank.

But not from this neighborhood. So that was a lie on your part. I asked you for any evidence of terror attacks from the neighborhood in 80 years and you've given me nothing. Seems like no harm is being done here.

Like I said before, you are pro choice aka pro killing of millions of unborn humans. You have zero right to play the humanitarian card.

I've been ignoring you saying this repeatedly because you are more pro-choice than I am. So I don't get where you are going with this. I believe my position on abortion (which is more nuanced than just "pro-choice") IS the humanitarian option. Either way, this is totally irrelevant. I could be a genocidal mass murderer and my argument on this issue would still be correct. You're just mad that I'm correctly pointing out the human suffering that evicting the Palestinians will cause.

#1) Never said right. I said he was justified. Because in his deranged mind they were causing Germany harm. Never did I say he was morally right and the fact that the world watched it happens is mind boggling but yes the victors always write history. I also said that was Israel is doing is not at all like the Holocaust as the Jewish population declined but here the Palestinian population is increasing.

#2) If my Secretary of War said yes, I would have gone along with it. I at the time would not have had the foresight we have now. You asked me if I were in FDR's shoes. Well FDR didn't have the knowledge we have today.

You twisted my words around to suit your narrative. That is fairly embarrassing for you.

#3) So if people in Brooklyn are getting stabbed by a certain group, Queens should just ignore it? How is that remotely logical?

#4) I am not playing the humanitarian card and how can one be more pro choice than another? You are playing the humanitarian card. Makes you a hypocrite. So now you're allowed to conflate my support for Israel to the Holocaust and FDR, which are false conflations but I cannot laugh as you are outraged by land disputes but are NOT outraged by millions of babies getting killed?


This is insanity 101

Posted by tangplay on 5/26/2021 1:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 5/26/2021 10:17:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/25/2021 9:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 5/25/2021 7:18:00 PM (view original):
He has no respect for the Israeli Supreme Court.
he thinks the whole thing is rigged and fixed.
Israel is a country that has no compunction about putting its leaders in jail if corrupt and has done so several times.
Israeli jurisprudence is one of the most advanced in the world and its secular law is one of the most liberal on issues of personal relationships and property disputes.
an honest and thoughtful approach to legal analysis is of great importance in Israel and the roots of all modern law goes back to the Old Testament.
jurisprudence and law is taken very seriously in Israel.

I'm genuinely curious dino, can you give examples of the Israeli Supreme Court siding against the settlers?

Ok dog breath -

how about August 2020 when the Supreme Court voided a law and returned over 4000 homes to Palestinians taking them away from settlers.
they took the Palestinian petition in June and ruled in August.

of course this wasn’t about 3-4 homes.

I found a different article about a court case where they ruled that a new law that would retroactively call thousands of Palestinian homes that were already built "illegal". Scummy law, btw, but I do have more appreciation for the neutrality of the court.

I'll agree with you that the court is more neutral than I thought it was.

HOWEVER
I still believe it largely favors the settlers
Israel won't stop with this neighborhood, clearly
Even if the court sides with the settlers, I still will not support their actions as it is clearly and obviously immoral

You should try to start discerning Israel from the settlers.

Posted by tangplay on 5/26/2021 1:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/26/2021 9:03:00 AM (view original):

If I come to your house and say the house is mine and you disagree, how would that dispute get resolved in the US?

If I lost that dispute I would get evicted from the house.


CHECKMATE

I don't know why you would repeat over and over that it's a "land dispute" before finally and mercifully agreeing that losing the dispute equals an eviction.

I'm glad you finally caught up. Yes, if the Palestinians lose the dispute, they will get evicted. We all realized this before.

I don't think the Palestinians should get evicted, and you do.

And if the Jews lose it then the Palestinians are not evicted. So you agree it is a dispute. I think the law needs to decide who legally owns the land. If you have issues with the judicial system then it is a different argument altogether. Want to compare Israel's judicial system to those in KSA, Jordan, Syria, Iran and Iraq? Hmmmm....probably not.