i am 100% on board with this and love it. real life. people who are complaining need to step up their games or join me in the crappy tier :)

Posted by Nick_Bennett on 5/27/2021 9:46:00 AM (view original):
I like the try here but this seems slightly too harsh. I would have been fired after 4 seasons at UofL if they fall into teir 2. If i were in charge i think this is how it should start if the regular season means nothing.

Tier 1- Top programs- Rd of 32 in 4 seasons
Tier 2 - Make NT in 4 seasons
Tier 3- Make PI in 4 seasons.

This seems more obtainable to do in a rebuild situation.
With the way prefs take 8 seasons to get Long time coach to VG meeting these goals should be enough.

I would just increase the # of seasons from 4 to 6. Gives a little more time when taking over a rebuild.

Implementing this new change without revisiting Baseline Prestige would be silly.

For example, it appears my Bonnies in Phelan currently have no expectations despite the fact that I'm the most successful coach ever there and have kept us consistently in the B+ to A range.

Meanwhile, Xavier now has expectations despite the fact that a long time coach left, SIM AI ran the team directly into the ground, and 4 seasons of human coaching have still not brought them out of a 10 year sub-.500 run. Had this rule been in place when a human took Xavier over, they would have been subject to this rule on a team where the previous 4 seasons had resulted in a TOTAL of 7 wins. Good luck digging out of that hole without a "Wants Success" or "Long Time Coach" preference.

Really, I just *can’t wait* until the new raised stakes version of “Dice Roll Dynasty” hits the streets, with the wailing and gnashing of teeth due to rise up late summer. Lost recruiting battles, unexpected EEs, slowdown-negative5-doubleteam upsets, and now people are going to be losing teams over it all, sometimes teams they’ve invested *years* in. Lots of fun, right?

Really hard to fathom people think this is a better idea than letting paying customers decide how they want to play, and when they’re done. But ok.

Hey guys! My fire everybody idea looks to be coming to fruition bc if this is the solution the admin came up with and all the holes in this method aren’t addressed, then basically u get a 4 year run at a rebuild and then YOU GONE.

So one day we make it so anyone can get any job, then the next day we make it to where everyone is skating on thin ice every year to get fired. There should be a coaching carousel, but it shouldn’t be run at the speed of the Gravitron! (Look it up) You will just be making ppl sick and ejecting them off the ride!

I’m sure after reading this thread, the firing method will be re-evaluated though. No way this current proposal goes through and doesn’t run at least 1/2 the user base off.

Back to the think tank Admins! We have faith you’ll get it right! Good luck!

at the very least that first season you take a team over shouldn't count, especially in a rebuild since those players typically suck and they aren't yours (other than the scrub RS2 guys you can manage to sign to fill out the roster). Honestly even season two in a rebuild is in some ways worse since you are playing your low IQ freshman to get them built up....so yeah, extending it out to 6 years in a rebuild situation would be ideal.

Just looked at the train wreck of a school I took over in Smith, Villanova, they have only made it to the second round 3 times in the past 61 seasons...would not be happy if I got axed by not making it to the 2nd round in only 4 seasons there.

I will say that I love the job change/hiring changes recently!

There should definitely be an announcement on the conference chats as well. I don't believe most coaches read the forums.

I like the changes a lot, like others have said I may have minor quibbles with the exact criteria but I think the overall spirit of it is great.

The minor edit I'd make: I think the windows should be pushed to 5 seasons, personally. That gives you one rebuilding year to clear out the garbage Sim AI or inactive coach left behind and then that next season in Recruiting Period 1 you'll recruit your first full Freshman class. If you can't get that class/team to where it needs to be by the time they are Seniors, then I think firing is totally justified.

All in all I love this change though. Also I've noticed while skimming this thread that nobody has said "if these rules were in place now I'd be fired from my school" just a lot of hypothetical "Oh I took over this school and now I'm worried" which is a fine, rational complaint and worry but I truly wonder how many people are going to lose jobs over this. I think the number will be quite low.

I think this is great, as there are some coaches attached to power 6 conferences that haven't sniffed the National tournament in 30 seasons and take many walkons, why they continue to coach their dumpster fire teams is beyond me. The only thing I would change is maybe base it upon 5 seasons instead of 4, and maybe have a note on the home page stating how many more seasons they have if they do not meet the requirement each season, so there is no confusion (I believe they do this or used to do this in GD

Also can you clarify what you mean by two a day world coaches will have a bit longer leash?

How much longer?

Brokenee: "I’m sure after reading this thread, the firing method will be re-evaluated though. No way this current proposal goes through and doesn’t run at least 1/2 the user base off. Back to the think tank Admins! We have faith you’ll get it right! Good luck!"

This. Loads of this. The original post was a good starting point, I think most can agree, but there needs to be adjustments. The shortcomings and consequences are obvious.

Edit: For instance, I could easily see one of those top-tier teams becoming a Sim quickly, then staying a Sim for a long time because you've made it too difficult to successfully rebuild a Big 6 team. The Sim will do what the Sim does and take on four-five-six walk-ons, further discouraging anyone from attempting that rebuild within the 4-year window. Before you know it, multiple top-tier teams are Sim because it's safer and less stressful at tiers 2 and 3.

Posted by A_B_G on 5/27/2021 12:52:00 PM (view original):
Also can you clarify what you mean by two a day world coaches will have a bit longer leash?

How much longer?

Since the 2/day worlds have shorter seasons, they have more seasons to to prepare for the change coming in Nov/Dec. I think that's all he meant.

Posted by A_B_G on 5/27/2021 12:44:00 PM (view original):
I like the changes a lot, like others have said I may have minor quibbles with the exact criteria but I think the overall spirit of it is great.

The minor edit I'd make: I think the windows should be pushed to 5 seasons, personally. That gives you one rebuilding year to clear out the garbage Sim AI or inactive coach left behind and then that next season in Recruiting Period 1 you'll recruit your first full Freshman class. If you can't get that class/team to where it needs to be by the time they are Seniors, then I think firing is totally justified.

All in all I love this change though. Also I've noticed while skimming this thread that nobody has said "if these rules were in place now I'd be fired from my school" just a lot of hypothetical "Oh I took over this school and now I'm worried" which is a fine, rational complaint and worry but I truly wonder how many people are going to lose jobs over this. I think the number will be quite low.

I would have been fired at UConn, twice, before it got to the sweet 16 after taking over a team in shambles. New England recruiting had been totally dominated by some no-named yahoo coach in Vermont (just kidding joey) and the Big East was mostly full, with UConn at or near the bottom at the time, had undergone a bunch of coaching changes after the 3.0 release and was sim run. Rebuilds in full power conferences are *very hard* and you’d have to be insane to try it under these conditions, knowing you’ll probably just be wasting 4 seasons and all the money you’ve spent on them just to get your #1 ranked, #1 seed slowdown-negative5-doubleteamed out of the second round in season 4 (even if everything else goes perfectly). So in the end, you’re basically just building the team for the next guy (probably ab90, let’s be honest).

This is going to be such a fun, collegial atmosphere, once live.