CORE 4 PROG LEAGUE 1934 PLAYER DRAFT Topic

1934 INAUGURAL PLAYERS DRAFT - TWO PICKS PER TEAM EACH ROUND

LEAGUE RULES:


Despite the fun of alternative baseball history, sometimes what is missing from a progressive league is a sense that you are managing something that feels like that team in the historical period you are playing in. But going with the actual rosters takes any creativity out of it.

The Core-4 Progressive League addresses both of these sides of enjoying managing a historical team under alternative conditions.

We take our name of course from the common usage of "Core Four" to describe the late 1990s-early 2000s New York Yankees, with the Core Four being Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, Mariano Rivera and Andy Pettitte. The team made many changes during these players' careeers, but so long as they were on the team, it was identifiable as the Yankees that had started out together winning in 1996.

In this league we will play with the historical teams and our inaugural draft will begin with a draft of the teams/franchises from 1934. The draft order for the inaugural draft's initial phase of drafting teams/franchises will be random, using a random table generated by a non-league HOF owner at WIS from the website random.org.

Each owner will identify FOUR players from their team each season before we begin the inaugural draft and later on before we begin the first year player drafts. ONLY PLAYERS WHO PLAYED THE ENTIRE SEASON FOR THAT TEAM AND DID NOT PLAY ANY PART OF THE SEASON FOR ANOTHER FRANCHISE WILL BE ELIGIBLE TO BE AMONG THE CORE FOUR.

Those four will automatically be on the team for the year, without having to be drafted. New, first-year players can be listed as part of the Core 4 for the team they played their first season with, again so long as they played the entire season for that team.

Since this system will allow the strongest teams from each Real Life season to keep their four best players, our draft system will compensate: draft order will go in reverse order to historical W-L records for that season by the real teams. This included the inaugural draft for 1934, once owners have drafted their teams/franchises and chosen their Core 4. In the event of a tie, the team that finished further down in the standings in their league that year will pick before the other team with the same W-L record, first using standings (a 7th place team that went 70-84 will get priority over a 6th place team with the same record in the other league), then by games behind the league leader - the one that finished further out will get the earlier pick.


Each team will pick TWO players in each round of our drafts, further compensating the teams whose Core 4 are from a losing team compared with those of the league powerhouses.

KEEPERS LISTS WILL BE LIMITED TO 10 PLAYERS PLUS THE CORE 4 - A TOTAL OF 14. This will circulate useful players widely, without burdening us with long drafts, since with 2 picks each team each round, and most teams needing 11 players or so, we should have drafts that go only 6-7 rounds most of the time.

This also prevents tanking, since it is the real world outcome, not the outcome in our league, that determines draft position. The drafts will be straightforward (or gayforward) NOT serpentine.


PLEASE NOTE: Core 4 players are not considered to be drafted, and CORE 4 players cannot be listed as keepers. They can remain Core 4 and protected for as long as the owner desires AND they played historically for that team the entire season. But once they are no longer listed as Core 4, they return to the general draft pool.

Example 1: The New York Yankees owner lists Joe Dimaggio as a Core 4 player before the 1936 draft takes place, in which Dimaggio would otherwise be a rookie. Dimaggio continues to be listed by that owner as a Yankees Core 4 player through 1942. In 1943 through 1945 Dimaggio due to duty in the War, does not appear in WIS. He, UNLIKE ANY YANKEES DRAFTED PLAYER THAT WOULD BE ON THE DL/IR FOR THAT PERIOD, (which does not count against the 10 keepers), cannot be so listed. The Yankees owner CAN reclaim Dimaggio or any other Yankee player in 1946 that played all season only for the Yankees in '46, and so protect him from the draft. But if he does not list him as Core-4 Dimaggio returns to the draft pool.

Example 2: Tommie Agee, 1966 - the New York Mets owner (when we have expanded etc. by that time) must decide whether to:
1. list Tommie Agee as a Core 4 player, in which case they can continue to do so through his good seasons like 1969-1971, or else, if they do not also continue to list him as Core 4 for 1967 or for 1968, when Agee hit .234 and .217 respectively, Agee returns to the draft pool and cannot be kept as a keeper as a drafted player could.
or
2. to try to take their chances on getting Agee in the draft to have him as a keeper.


Teams will play in the historical parks of their team in that year.

We will begin in 1934 because in my view it is when statistically normal baseball began, no deadball era, no jackrabbit ball HR era like the 20s, no steroids. By the team we reach the present day, assuming we play 5 seasons a year, we will have played 105 seasons of baseball and I will be 81 years old. Plenty of baseball for everybody.

We will provide 6/6 below-average AAA to each team to ensure enough PA and IP at every position to further ensure competitiveness in the league.

IN ORDER TO REACH 25 ROSTER PLAYERS, ONCE - AND ONLY AFTER - EVERY AVAILABLE DRAFT POOL PLAYER HAS BEEN DRAFTED, EACH TEAM MAY DRAFT ANY PLAYER OR PITCHER WORTH A MAXIMUM OF $750,000 IN A SEASON (OTHER THAN THE CURRENT ONE WE ARE PLAYING AT THE TIME) IN WHICH THEY PLAYED FOR THEIR TEAM'S REAL LIFE FRANCHISE.
6/22/2021 6:55 AM (edited)
1934 Players List for Core 4 Progressive Inaugural Draft

Catchers




First Basemen

Second Basemen


Third Basemen



Shortstops


Outfielders
Blakely, Linc
Shiver, Ivey
Stephenson, Riggs
Worthington, Red

Pitchers

Kinzy, Harry
Lucas, Ray
Smith, Hal
Smythe, Harry
6/26/2021 9:29 AM (edited)

ROUND ONE - OFF THE CLOCK:

1. Cincinnati Reds - sigblend - Chuck Klein - OF Freddie Fitzsimmons - P
2. Chicago White Sox - fatguyrd - Paul Dean P Fred Frankhouse P
3. Philadelphia Phillies - Brian1648 - Tex Carleton-p Waite Hoyt -p
4. Washington Senators - maddove117 - P Willis Hudlin OF Ben Chapman
5. St. Louis Browns - jeff4noles - Johnny Allen P Jim Weaver P
6. Philadelphia Athletics - strubrosII -Pat Malone P Johnny Murphy P
7. Brooklyn Dodgers - N4ser - Gabby Hartnett C Elden Aucker P
8. Pittsburgh Pirates - italyprof - Ray Benge P Johnny Marcum P
9. Boston Red Sox - danidon -OF Jo-Jo Moore 3B Cecil Travis
10. Boston Braves - rebel23 - P Bobo Newsom P Bill Swift
11. Cleveland Indians - vilefileman - Billy Rogell SS Roy Parmalee P
12. Chicago Cubs - eman7400 - Stan Hack 3b Billy Herman 2b
13. New York Giants - tridentric - Red Rolfe SS Bucky Walters 3B
14. New York Yankees - lastinspace2 -P - Flint Rhem OF - Lloyd Waner
15. St. Louis Cardinals - dannino - P Monte Pearson P Sugar Cain
16. Detroit Tigers - coyote522 - syl johnson, p mickey cochrane, c


ROUND TWO
-ON THE CLOCK THURSDAY JUNE 17 O: (All times EST in the US)

10:00 AM. Cincinnati Reds - sigblend . 1B Dolph Camilli P Johnny Broaca
10:30. Chicago White Sox - fatguyrd - C Spud Davis P Phil Collins
11:00. Philadelphia Phillies - Brian1648 - Earl Whitehill -p Al Todd -c
11:30. Washington Senators - maddove117 - P George Earnshaw, 1B Gus Suhr
12:00 NOON. St. Louis Browns - jeff4noles - Ralph Birkofer P Joe Bowman P
12:30 PM. Philadelphia Athletics - strubrosII - Lefty Stewart P.....Johnny Moore Of
1:00 pm. Brooklyn Dodgers - N4ser . SS Frankie Crosetti OF Goose Goslin
1:30. Pittsburgh Pirates - italyprof - Al Lopez C Jim Bottomley 1B
2:00. Boston Red Sox - danidon - Ted Lyons P and OF Babe Ruth
2:30 Boston Braves - rebel23 - C Bill Delancey and 2B Tony Cuccinello
3:00 Cleveland Indians - vilefileman - Charlie Root P and Frankie Frisch 2B?
3:30. Chicago Cubs - eman7400 - George Selkirk of Augie Galan 2b
4:00. New York Giants - tridentric -Odell Hale 2B Rip Radcliffe
4:30. New York Yankees - lastinspace2 - P - Bud Tinning SS - Eric McNair
5:00. St. Louis Cardinals - dannino - Jesse Haines P OF Pete Fox
5:30. Detroit Tigers - coyote522 - Jimmie Deshong, p Marv Owen, 3b


ROUND THREE - FRIDAY JUNE 18


10:00. Cincinnati Reds - sigblend - 2B Lazzeri, Tony P Dazzy Vance
10:30. Chicago White Sox - fatguyrd - P Bump Hadley 2B Marty McManus
11:00. Philadelphia Phillies - Brian1648 - Babe Herman-of bob smith -p
11:30. Washington Senators - maddove117 - P Johnny Welch P Red Lucas
12:00 Noon. St. Louis Browns - jeff4noles - Alex Kampouris 2B Bill Knickerbocker SS
12:30. Philadelphia Athletics - strubrosII - Gus Mancuso C Travis Jackson SS
1:00 pm. Brooklyn Dodgers - N4ser - OF Fred Schulte 3B Pinky Whitney
1:30. Pittsburgh Pirates - italyprof - Ski Melillo 2B Oral Hildebrand P
2:00. Boston Red Sox - danidon - P Al Smith and 1b Jack Burns
2:30 Boston Braves - rebel23 - 3B Mark Keonig OF Hal Lee
3:00 Cleveland Indians - vilefileman - John Stone OF Bill Dietrich P
3:30. Chicago Cubs - eman7400 - Billy Jurges SS Gee Walker Of
4:00. New York Giants - tridentric -Roy Johnson OF Jack Knott P
4:30. New York Yankees - lastinspace2 - P - Bill Walker OF - Buzz Boyle
5:00. St. Louis Cardinals - dannino - Hughie Critz 2B and Pepper Martin 3B
5:30. Detroit Tigers - coyote522 - kiddo davis, of al benton, p


ROUND 4: SATURDAY JUNE 19:

10:00. Cincinnati Reds - sigblend - SS Woody English 3B Jack Saltzgaver
10:30. Chicago White Sox - fatguyrd - Mule Haas OF George Hockette P
11:00. Philadelphia Phillies - Brian1648 - freddy lindstrom-of earl combs . of
11:30. Washington Senators - maddove117 - P Lloyd Brown 3B Jimmy *****
12:00 Noon. St. Louis Browns - jeff4noles - Jo Jo White OF Leon Chagnon P
12:30. Philadelphia Athletics - strubrosII - Huck Betts P Monte Weaver P
1:00 pm. Brooklyn Dodgers - N4ser -P Snipe Hansen P Si Johnson
1:30. Pittsburgh Pirates - italyprof - Danny Taylor OF Moose Solters OF
2:00. Boston Red Sox - danidon - Gordon Rhodes P Joe Cascarella P
2:30 Boston Braves - rebel23 - P Thornton Lee P Ben Cantwell
3:00 Cleveland Indians - vilefileman - Joe Stripp 3B and Sad Sam Jones P
3:30. Chicago Cubs - eman7400 -Rube Walberg P Frankie Pytalk C
4:00. New York Giants - tridentric -Bill Hallahan P Babe Phelps C
4:30. New York Yankees - lastinspace2 -Tony Freita P 3B Willie Kamm
5:00. St. Louis Cardinals - dannino - P Don Brennan SS Leo Durocher
5:30. Detroit Tigers - coyote522 - Firpo marberry, p lonnie frey , ss


ROUND FIVE: SUNDAY JUNE 20
10:00. Cincinnati Reds - sigblend - OF Ray Pepper P Herb Pennock
10:30. Chicago White Sox - fatguyrd - P Jack Russell OF Sam Rice
11:00. Philadelphia Phillies - Brian1648 - tommy Thervenow -2b Max bishop -2b
11:30. Washington Senators - maddove117 - P Bob Weiland, C Luke Sewell
12:00 Noon. St. Louis Browns - jeff4noles - Charlie Grimm 1st Bill Cissell 2nd
12:30. Philadelphia Athletics - strubrosII - Gordon Slafe inf. D. macfayden p
1:00 pm. Brooklyn Dodgers - N4ser - Tony Piet 3B Burgess Whitehead 2B
1:30. Pittsburgh Pirates - italyprof - Tom Padden C Tom Zachary P
2:00. Boston Red Sox - danidon - Lefty Grove and George Caster
2:30 Boston Braves - rebel23 - P Vic Sorrell and P Johnny Babich
3:00 Cleveland Indians - vilefileman - Jimmy Wilson Roy Mahaffey
3:30. Chicago Cubs - eman7400 - Ed Coleman Lynn Lary SS
4:00. New York Giants - tridentric - Harlin Poole Les Tietje
4:30. New York Yankees - lastinspace2 - 2B - Rabbit Warstler OF - Carl Reynolds
5:00. St. Louis Cardinals - dannino - P Belve Bean OF Ernie Orsatti
5:30. Detroit Tigers - coyote522 - bruce campbell, of alex mccoll, p


ROUND SIX: MONDAY JUNE 21

10:00. Cincinnati Reds - sigblend - C Shanty Hogan P Jack Salveson
10:30. Chicago White Sox - fatguyrd - 3B Blondy Ryan SS Jimmy Jordan
11:00. Philadelphia Phillies - Brian1648 - Earl Grace C Ed Linke P
11:30. Washington Senators - maddove117 - P Alvin Crowder, OF Lefty O'Doul
12:00 Noon. St. Louis Browns - jeff4noles - Randy Moore OF Dick Coffman P
12:30. Philadelphia Athletics - strubrosII - Ray Kolp P and Carl fischer P
1:00 pm. Brooklyn Dodgers - N4ser -George Watkins OF Woody Jensen OF
1:30. Pittsburgh Pirates - italyprof - Ivy Andrews P Debs Garms OF
2:00. Boston Red Sox - danidon - OF Almada, Mel 2b Jackie Hayes
2:30 Boston Braves - rebel23 - OF Adam Comorosky and P Euel Moore
3:00 Cleveland Indians - vilefileman - Les Munns P Ed Wells P
3:30. Chicago Cubs - eman7400 - Allyn Stout p Milt Gaston P
4:00. New York Giants - tridentric - Joe Kuhel 1b Harry Danning c
4:30. New York Yankees - lastinspace2 -P - Heine Meinie 3B - Ossie Bluege
5:00. St. Louis Cardinals - dannino - C Charlie Berry C Al Spohrer
5:30. Detroit Tigers - coyote522 - Russ van atta, p johnny frederick, of




ROUND SEVEN: TUESDAY JUNE 22


10:00. Cincinnati Reds - sigblend - P Hi Bell SS Ollie Bejma
10:30. Chicago White Sox - fatguyrd - Joe Mulligan P P Chief Hogsett
11:00. Philadelphia Phillies - Brian1648 - ed morgan-1b and sparkey adams -3b
11:30. Washington Senators - maddove117 -Tommy Thomas, Tommy Thompson
12:00 Noon. St. Louis Browns - jeff4noles - Cookie Lavagetto 2nd Johnny Burnette 3rd
12:30. Philadelphia Athletics - strubrosII - Hack Wilson OF Les Mallon 2B
1:00 pm. Brooklyn Dodgers - N4ser -P Phill Galivan P Hank Johnson
1:30. Pittsburgh Pirates - italyprof - Leo Mangum P Burleigh Grimes P
2:00. Boston Red Sox - danidon - Don Heffner 2B Tuck Stainback OF
2:30 Boston Braves - rebel23 - C Ed Madjeskie and 1B Pete Susko
3:00 Cleveland Indians - vilefileman - Dick Porter Ralph Winegarner
3:30. Chicago Cubs - eman7400 -Hank Leiber of Dick Barrett P
4:00. New York Giants - tridentric - Ray Hayworth Alan "Doctor" Strange
4:30. New York Yankees - lastinspace2 -C - Frank Grube OF - Lou Finney
5:00. St. Louis Cardinals - dannino - 2B Bob Boken 1B Red Kress
5:30. Detroit Tigers - coyote522 - Milt Galatzer of Glenn Myatt, c


ROUND EIGHT: THURSDAY JUNE 24:


10:00. Cincinnati Reds - sigblend - P Dolf Luque OF Wes Schulmerich
10:30. Chicago White Sox - fatguyrd - OF Jacko Conlan C Moe “The Catcher Was A Spy” Berg
11:00. Philadelphia Phillies - Brian1648 - watty clark-p cy moore -p
11:30. Washington Senators - maddove117-cliff bolton-c bob o'farrell c
12:00 Noon. St. Louis Browns - jeff4noles- bob brown p Luke "I am your father" Hamlin p
12:30. Philadelphia Athletics -strubrosil-Jim Mooney P Merv Shea C (awarded as replacement picks by commissioner)
1:00 pm. Brooklyn Dodgers - N4ser - 2B Irv Jeffries SS Joe Chamberlain
1:30. Pittsburgh Pirates - italyprof - Myril Hoag OF Dib Williams 2B
2:00. Boston Red Sox - danidon - Chick Fullis OF and Marty Hopkins 3b
2:30 Boston Braves - rebel23 - 2B Jim Bucher and 3B Pat Crawford
3:00 Cleveland Indians - vilefileman . Mickey Haslin Frankie Hayes
3:30. Chicago Cubs - eman7400 - Ray Berres C Wally Roettger of
4:00. New York Giants - tridentric - Art Jorgens Frenchy Bordagaray
4:30. New York Yankees - lastinspace2 -P - Ted Kleinhans OF - Harvey Hendrick
5:00. St. Louis Cardinals - dannino - P - Whit Wyatt P - Joe Heving
5:30. Detroit Tigers - coyote522 - George Darrow, P Dave Harris, OF

ROUND NINE: FRIDAY JUNE 25: LAST ROUND

10:00. Cincinnati Reds - sigblend - P Bill McAfee OF Dusty Cooke
10:30. Chicago White Sox - fatguyrd - 1B Don Hurst 3B John Kerr
11:00. Philadelphia Phillies - Brian1648 - Muddy Ruel C Bing Miller OF
11:30. Washington Senators - maddove117 Bob Kline, Art Herring
12:00 Noon. St. Louis Browns - jeff4noles - Bob Seeds OF Paul Richards C
12:30. Philadelphia Athletics - strubrosII - Mort Flohr P Roy Joiner P
1:00 pm. Brooklyn Dodgers - N4ser - P Reggie Grabowski OF Sammy Byrd
1:30. Pittsburgh Pirates - italyprof - Andy High 3B Larry Benton P
2:00. Boston Red Sox - danidon - Frenchy Uhalt OF C Eddie Phillips
2:30 Boston Braves - rebel23 - OF Art Ruble and 2B Eddie Moore
3:00 Cleveland Indians - vilefileman - Johnny Vergyz Dutch Holland
3:30. Chicago Cubs - eman7400 - Boom Boom Beck P Frank Doljack of
4:00. New York Giants - tridentric - Clyde Manion Bill Brenzel
4:30. New York Yankees - lastinspace2 -C - Gordie Hinkle OF - Johnny Gill
5:00. St. Louis Cardinals - dannino - P Clint Brown P Ownie Carroll
5:30. Detroit Tigers - coyote522 - Buster mills ed holley
6/26/2021 9:30 AM (edited)
Cincinnati selects:

Chuck Klein - OF
Freddie Fitzsimmons - P
6/12/2021 8:10 AM

DRAFT POOL UPDATED.


PLEASE EVERYONE - SITEMAIL THE NEXT OWNER OR TWO UP AFTER YOU PICK WHILE WE ARE OFF THE CLOCK.

THANKS !
6/12/2021 8:24 AM
CWS

Paul Dean P
Fred Frankhouse P

site mails sent
6/12/2021 9:05 AM (edited)
Tex Carleton-p
Waite Hoyt -p
6/12/2021 9:06 AM
DRAFT POOL UPDATED.


PLEASE EVERYONE - SITEMAIL THE NEXT OWNER OR TWO UP AFTER YOU PICK WHILE WE ARE OFF THE CLOCK.

THANKS !
6/12/2021 10:07 AM
P Willis Hudlin
OF Ben Chapman
6/12/2021 10:23 AM
Johnny Allen (P)
Jim Weaver (P)
sitemailing next
6/12/2021 11:02 AM
Pat Malone P
Johnny Murphy P
6/12/2021 11:13 AM
We are not listed in the draft order. The Cleveland Indians.
6/12/2021 11:43 AM
Posted by vilefileman on 6/12/2021 11:43:00 AM (view original):
We are not listed in the draft order. The Cleveland Indians.
Sorry about that. You are listed for Round one, but apparently when I was retyping for the subsequent rounds I got distracted and missed your team on the list, then just copied and pasted the rest.

You're there now.
6/12/2021 12:29 PM
we seem to have ground to a halt. I will check back in tomorrow
6/12/2021 7:36 PM
14 hours later and still nowhere. I will check back this afternoon
6/13/2021 9:42 AM
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